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| 00:36 | <@Reiv> | I realised on the weekend I own a UPS already. |
| 00:37 | <@Reiv> | I should look into what replacement batteries cost and whether viability exists. |
| 00:38 | < Mahal> | Reiv: It will almost certainly becheaper to buy a new UPS. |
| 00:41 | <@Reiv> | lol, alright |
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| 00:47 | <@Alek> | cheaper, yep. |
| 00:48 | <@Alek> | my UPS needs two batteries at over $25 each. but it's 1500AVR, and my dad says it'd be cheaper to just buy a new 500VA-ish UPS for $55. *rolls eyes* |
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| 00:49 | <@Alek> | a replacement battery for HIS UPS would be about $20. for a 550VA UPS. |
| 00:49 | <@Alek> | yes, his battery gave up the ghost too, recently. |
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| 00:56 | < Degi> | How do batteries in UPSs get broke? They're barely used... |
| 01:01 | <&[R]> | By being manufactured in the cheapest way possible |
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| 01:06 | <@Alek> | by being old and worn out. |
| 01:06 | <@Alek> | mine are nearing 10 years probably, dad's are maybe 7 years. |
| 01:07 | <@Alek> | our respective UPS, that is. |
| 01:07 | <@Alek> | and we've had a hefty number of outages and brown-outs in that time. |
| 01:07 | < Degi> | Huh |
| 01:08 | < Degi> | Well the only reason why I would need a UPS is because the fuse on which all outlets besides the fridge and all light are on sometimes blows. |
| 01:09 | <@Alek> | residential power in a storm-prone area. rain, flooding, lightning strikes, blizzards, the occasional tornado, all frequently affect neighborhood power. |
| 01:10 | < Degi> | Welp |
| 01:10 | <@Alek> | we had TWO sizable outages within a week of each other just last month. |
| 01:10 | < Degi> | Power in my place is pretty stable, the last outage for a few minutes being a few years ago. |
| 01:11 | <@Alek> | and I'm still not sure why my PC lost power this morning but nothing else was affected. |
| 01:12 | <@Alek> | The first of the recent two outages was hours long. Storms. |
| 01:12 | < Degi> | Welp we got underground lines. |
| 01:12 | <@Alek> | where are you anyway? |
| 01:13 | < Degi> | Berlin, Germany |
| 01:13 | <@Alek> | cool |
| 01:13 | < Degi> | You're from the USA I guess? |
| 01:14 | <@Alek> | In the region of Chicago, Illinois here. The Midwest is pretty storm-prone, and Illinois boasts something like 10,000 tornadoes a year. |
| 01:15 | < Degi> | Welp |
| 01:15 | < Degi> | We got the occasional light storm around here, but usually nothing happens besides the occasional flower pot tipped over. |
| 01:16 | <@Alek> | close to the Lake, very swamp-prone ground, we're close to the water table, so underground power lines aren't really a good idea I gather. |
| 01:17 | < Degi> | Well the ones at my place are like 1-3 meters deep |
| 01:17 | < Degi> | From what I see at roadworks |
| 01:17 | <@Alek> | Nice. |
| 01:18 | <@Alek> | Also, we have bigger distances in general, so the extra length of digging can get cost-prohibitive. |
| 01:18 | < Degi> | Yeah |
| 01:18 | <@Alek> | It would have to be a very gradual effort. |
| 01:18 | < Degi> | Around me it's pretty densely populated |
| 01:18 | <@Alek> | Europe. |
| 01:18 | < Degi> | And there are transformer blocks about 50-100 meters from eachother |
| 01:19 | < Degi> | But not sure if they're specifically for the grounds they are on (two near me are on school grounds) |
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| 01:24 | <@Alek> | The continent of Europe is right about as big as the whole of the US, and apparently contains 51 countries, so the average state is about as big as the average European country. :P |
| 01:24 | <@Alek> | oh wait, it's a little more complicated than that. |
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| 01:25 | <@Alek> | there seems to be conflicting information. gah, I give up. |
| 01:26 | <&McMartin> | "The average state" means something very different in the Northeast than in the Southwest, for one~ |
| 01:27 | <@Alek> | taking the area of the US and dividing it by 50. :P |
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| 01:27 | < Degi> | And then there is russia which is partly on continental europe... Which is in total like the double the size of the USA and less than half of its population. |
| 01:27 | <@Alek> | there are also small countries in Europe to compare to the small states in New England. |
| 01:27 | < Degi> | Well we got Vatikan |
| 01:27 | <@Alek> | yep, there is. |
| 01:27 | <@Alek> | .44 sq mi |
| 01:28 | < Degi> | I think thats smaller than most districts here |
| 01:28 | <@Alek> | wait, it's worse than that. .44 sq km. |
| 01:28 | <&[R]> | 440 sq meters? |
| 01:29 | < Degi> | 440000 sq meters |
| 01:29 | <&[R]> | That seems very, very small. |
| 01:29 | < Degi> | Or wait |
| 01:29 | < Degi> | Yeah |
| 01:29 | < Degi> | Factor 10⁶ |
| 01:29 | <@Alek> | 440,000 sq m |
| 01:29 | <@Alek> | so yes |
| 01:29 | <&McMartin> | California has some counties larger than some states |
| 01:29 | <@Alek> | Rhode Island, the smallest state, is just over 1 sq mi. |
| 01:30 | <@Alek> | wait what no. |
| 01:30 | <@Alek> | 1000 sq mi. |
| 01:30 | <@Alek> | just over. |
| 01:30 | <@Alek> | but if you compare the District of Columbia to Vatican... |
| 01:31 | <@Alek> | 68.34 sq mi lol |
| 01:31 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I should be clearer |
| 01:31 | <&McMartin> | Most of it is desert, but San Bernardino County is larger than, like, West Virginia |
| 01:31 | <&McMartin> | Er, no, wait, slightly smaller than WV |
| 01:31 | < Degi> | Well my place is 891.7 km² (344.3 mi²) |
| 01:32 | <@Alek> | Berlin is like 390 sq mi innit? |
| 01:32 | < Degi> | Well we got 4200 people per km² |
| 01:34 | < Degi> | We had a gay mayor for 8 years, so that was nice |
| 01:34 | <@Alek> | the Town (53k population) that is the county center here is 11.4ish sq mi. my Village (40k population) is 90 sq mi. |
| 01:35 | | * Alek shrugs. |
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| 06:25 | | * McMartin blorgs |
| 06:25 | <&McMartin> | 100 bytes left in my budget and one display kernel left to write. |
| 06:26 | <&McMartin> | That's probably going to fit, I suppose |
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| 06:43 | < [R]> | Silly ZNC and lag |
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| 08:17 | <&McMartin> | Success! |
| 08:17 | <&McMartin> | https://i1.wp.com/bumbershootsoft.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/lightsout2600_08.png?ssl=1 |
| 08:27 | <&McMartin> | Managed to fit it all in 1KB with 51 bytes to spare. |
| 08:27 | <&McMartin> | Given how little the system does for you, it's really very much in line with the home computer implementations in size. |
| 08:49 | <~Vorntastic> | Holy cats |
| 08:50 | <@gnolam> | Man. White-out. Blast from the past. |
| 09:14 | <&McMartin> | It's been my go-to "implement a program for a system" project for many years now, because it's complex enough to really put it through its paces and it's Not Frickin' Tetris Nor Snake. |
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| 09:16 | <&McMartin> | (My smallest implementation to date is for DOS, which runs in text mode and weighs in at 812 bytes, and the nicest version is my revised C64 edition at 1,188.) |
| 09:16 | <&McMartin> | (I have a Win32 console edition that looks just like the DOS one but manages a console window and is 100% Unicode and it's exactly 5KB, most of which is segment alignment padding~) |
| 09:17 | <&McMartin> | (I have a mad scheme to maybe do a Full Windows Implementation at some point with zero runtime support outside of the core Windows syscall libraries) |
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| 09:19 | <&McMartin> | This is the nicest version: https://bumbershootsoft.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/lightsout64_nicer.png |
| 09:19 | <&McMartin> | And honestly I feel like I'd be hard-pressed to get a nicer version out of a modern machine. |
| 09:40 | <~Vorntastic> | That is a dope ass version |
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| 09:47 | <&McMartin> | That said, I feel I should not do this again after this unless I can make it look at least vaguely as good as the 2600 edition |
| 09:48 | <&McMartin> | ... and I'm not sure how to do that for the Atari 800XL nor the Apple IIe -_- |
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| 11:58 | <&Reiver> | McMartin: Why are you staying below 1KB? Honor, or system requirements? |
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| 16:25 | <@abudhabi> | Are there any good Linux word document editors that don't slurp down enormous amounts of resources and aren't LaTeX? |
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| 16:37 | < [R]> | Abiword |
| 16:37 | < [R]> | Otherwise learn to love TeX |
| 16:46 | <@abudhabi> | I'd like something WYSIWYG. |
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| 17:00 | < Kizor> | Hello Jessik who is at. |
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| 17:31 | < Jessikat> | Hi hi |
| 17:31 | | * Vornicus jessihats! |
| 17:34 | < Jessikat> | :) |
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| 18:21 | <@abudhabi> | Abiword is... inferior. |
| 18:35 | <&McMartin> | Reiver: Mostly for honor, but that's also About The Size Of The Program on the later platforms, so it makes things more apples-to-apples |
| 18:36 | <&McMartin> | The actual system expects cartridges of 2KB or 4KB in size. |
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| 18:51 | | * abudhabi looks at Scrivener. |
| 18:51 | <@abudhabi> | I need a video tutorial to even begin using this. |
| 18:52 | <&McMartin> | Scrivener is a pro writing tool, not merely "a word processor" |
| 18:52 | <@abudhabi> | Potato, potato. |
| 18:53 | <&McMartin> | More of a CAD system than a paint program, if you will |
| 18:53 | <@abudhabi> | I see that. |
| 18:53 | <@abudhabi> | Which is why I need that tutorial. |
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