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| 09:34 | | * TheWatcher headdesks |
| 09:35 | <@TheWatcher> | I swear I'm the only fucking developer in this institution who keeps production and development and testing separate |
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| 14:35 | | * Vornicus fights with the dual thingy. Hate geometry again. |
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| 15:36 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. issues currently arise because there's two edges that don't have twins. |
| 15:36 | <~Vornicus> | The reason they don't have twins is that they encompass the entire universe. |
| 15:37 | <@TheWatcher> | The solution is obviously to make a larger universe around the universe~ |
| 15:38 | | * Alek looks at Exapunks... |
| 15:38 | <@Alek> | is that pseudo-Assembly? |
| 15:39 | <~Vornicus> | I can technically twin them with each other but tbh I have no idea at all what that would do. |
| 15:48 | <@TheWatcher> | Try it and see? >.> |
| 15:49 | <@TheWatcher> | (As long as you don't inadvertently destroy the universe, we're fine!) |
| 15:58 | <~Vornicus> | ...though to be fair I should probably crush some of these other problems as well. Looks like I'm getting points in the dual that aren't points for one thing |
| 16:50 | <~Vornicus> | Ok: one of the big issues is that, when generating the dual I have to collect these infinitely distant points; this means, because all points in the dual have corresponding faces, that the distant faces are necessary in the original delaunay triangulation; this, I cannot avoid. |
| 16:54 | <~Vornicus> | Putting the two fully-distant edges as twins of one another has done ... something terrible, honestly, and I'm not sure how or what it means: I have a point that appears 3 times in the 11-gon around this point, and I don't even know if it's a valid 11-gon |
| 17:07 | <~Vornicus> | it is not, the repeated point is not actually a point but the vestigial point that is created for the false face. ... That's not enough though, and I certainly shouldn't be getting *that* many |
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| 18:47 | <&McMartin> | Alek: Yes. So is TIS-100, and so is Shenzhen I/O, by the same developer. |
| 18:47 | <&McMartin> | Zachtronics games are generally always resource constraint puzzles in programming-puzzle guise. |
| 18:52 | <&[R]> | What would a programming-puzzle be instead of those? |
| 18:55 | <~Vornicus> | Ugh. I don't even have a good idea of what it's doing in there. |
| 18:55 | <~Vornicus> | ...nor what it *should* be doing, really |
| 18:57 | <~Vornicus> | Like, it looks like it should work for non-special cases, but the fact of the existence of the special cases in *every* mesh makes it so I have to make sure the special cases actually work or it won't even get that far! |
| 19:15 | <~Vornicus> | but making the special cases work means figuring out what it should be doing in that case and ...honestly I'm stuck here. I don't see a way out at all. |
| 19:27 | <&McMartin> | [R]: They are usually problems about making something "physically" go places |
| 19:28 | <&McMartin> | TIS-100 for instance is a web of very weak parallel processors and a lot of the skill of the game is in using the communications web between processors as extra registers or timing controls |
| 19:29 | <&McMartin> | The first Zachtronics game that really made it big was SpaceChem, where the physical transport of components is a key aspect of it |
| 19:33 | <~Vornicus> | ugh. Okay. Do one out by hand, figure out what I'm up against. |
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| 21:39 | <~Vornicus> | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474705430434807819/484099480585502750/unknown.png aaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:39 | <~Vornicus> | answer: make sure your things actually have the right meta table |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | OK, that *does8 look like a proper Vornonoi and not the dual |
| 21:41 | <&McMartin> | There's something weird about the black regions on the edges though, they seem to have two points each usually |
| 21:41 | <~Vornicus> | The black regions do not have the regions drawn |
| 21:41 | <~Vornicus> | Because they extend to infinity. Next up is to do clipping on those |
| 21:41 | | * McMartin nods |
| 21:42 | <&McMartin> | I also think I espy a couple places where the color selection algorithm has gone wrong |
| 21:43 | <~Vornicus> | Color selection is 100% random |
| 21:43 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 21:43 | <~Vornicus> | I pick a random rgb with each component 0.25 to 1 |
| 21:43 | <&McMartin> | then yeah, some birthday paradoxes or close to them |
| 21:43 | <~Vornicus> | Very nearly yes, like around the top right thirds corner I see one right off |
| 21:43 | <&McMartin> | The ones jumping out at me were in the lower left |
| 21:44 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, your like implies there's a Vornonoi discord out there |
| 21:44 | <~Vornicus> | I linked it to the Love2d discord |
| 21:45 | <~Vornicus> | Next up: clipping |
| 21:45 | <&McMartin> | aha, makes sense |
| 21:47 | | * McMartin fires up the Exapunks soundtrack as he begins tearing apart a ton of code he didn't write |
| 21:51 | <&McMartin> | Did something in particular motivate this Voronoi project, or is it just that Voronoi diagrams are awesome |
| 21:51 | | * McMartin has to admit that he'd probably implement such a generator with a raster-scan algorithm >_> |
| 21:52 | <~Vornicus> | someone was talking about how they wanted to do a thing with random terrain generation except they wanted biomes to have reasonably well defined regions |
| 21:53 | <~Vornicus> | I mentioned voronoi diagrms, and then realized I'd never actually built them |
| 21:54 | <&McMartin> | And then mathsniped to do it right/ |
| 21:55 | <~Vornicus> | And then I claimed a workshop and demanded bonobo leather |
| 21:55 | <&McMartin> | IIRC it was the nobles who demanded ~= bonobo leather trousers =` |
| 22:01 | <@ErikMesoy> | it's a little complicated |
| 22:02 | <@ErikMesoy> | "nobles" is often used casually about useless dwarves demanding ¤stupid crap¤, but technically speaking, the Hammerer and Dungeon Master are nobles and don't issue demands for ~bismuth barrels~ |
| 22:04 | <@ErikMesoy> | all sorts of dwarves can claim workshops to start Mysterious Constructions, and then they'll want generic things like "leather" or "glass" |
| 22:12 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I mean, the obvious referent in this particular case is that the Voronoi Diagram code is the result of a "fey mood' |
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