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| 00:48 | <@macdjord|slep> | So, my new dual-band router arrived today. I have some questions: |
| 00:49 | <@macdjord|slep> | Should I set up the 5ghz network with the same SSID as the 2.4ghz, or different? |
| 00:49 | <@macdjord|slep> | If I set them up using the same SSID, how do I check which one my Win10 laptop is actually connecting to? |
| 00:50 | <@macdjord|slep> | If I set them up separately, how do I tell my laptop which is preferred? |
| 00:50 | <@macdjord|slep> | (Note: I am about to go abed. But I will read any replies when I get up.) |
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| 00:58 | <&McMartin> | macdjord|slep: Different SSIDs, and your Wi-Fi configuration screen will have a list of preferences that are tested in order. That said, I would normally recommend telling it to only attempt to connect to one of them. |
| 01:00 | <&McMartin> | My Win10 machine has no WiFi, but I suspect that there will be a button to open priority preferences of some kind if you (possibly right- or double-) click the little Wi-Fi Radio icon in the lower right. |
| 01:01 | <@celticminstrel> | I really need to figure out why the power management thing refuses to sleep. |
| 01:01 | <@celticminstrel> | IIRC the log when I try says "waking due to EHCI" or something similar. |
| 01:03 | <&McMartin> | EHCI is the USB protocol, so maybe some device is being chatty or demanding? |
| 01:03 | < Mahal> | Different SSID's is best |
| 01:03 | <@celticminstrel> | Maybe, but how am I supposed to figure out which one! |
| 01:04 | < Mahal> | e.g. HomeWifis-5 and HomeWifis |
| 01:04 | <&McMartin> | I think celticminstrel means "which USB device keeps waking up my computer" |
| 01:04 | < Mahal> | I solve this myself by not connecting my laptop to the 2.4ghz network ever |
| 01:04 | < Mahal> | Yes, I'm answering macdjord|slep not celticminstrel :D |
| 01:05 | <&McMartin> | (If there isn't any obvious other candidate, my suspicion would be "mouse" |
| 01:05 | <&McMartin> | ) |
| 01:06 | <@celticminstrel> | Hmm. |
| 01:06 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't know how I'd test that though. |
| 01:07 | <@celticminstrel> | I did also wonder if somehow the other computer is interfering through the KVM switch... |
| 01:08 | <&McMartin> | Are the actual links to the KVM USB or PS/2? |
| 01:08 | <@celticminstrel> | USB |
| 01:09 | <&McMartin> | Well, that's an easy test at least; unplug KVM, see if it still is waking up |
| 01:09 | <@celticminstrel> | So IOW plug directly into the computer instead of into the KVM. |
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| 01:09 | <&McMartin> | I'm actually saying "Don't have anything at all plugged in at sleep time" |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | For the first test. |
| 01:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Well uh, that's kinda impossible? |
| 01:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Or wait, I guess it is possible, I think I can sleep with the power button... |
| 01:10 | <@celticminstrel> | I was about to say there's no way to sleep if I unplug the mouse and keyboard. |
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| 01:11 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, it's set to sleep if I push (but don't hold) the power button, so I guess I can try that. |
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| 03:50 | <&[R]> | <Nilium> .. Also why does Chrome have two cat subprocesses |
| 03:50 | <&[R]> | <Nilium> This is going to be one of those cases where I go "why does slack run pgrep?" |
| 04:00 | <&McMartin> | Chrome uses process isolation, right? If two isolated processes independently decided they needed cat... |
| 04:01 | <&[R]> | Sure |
| 04:01 | <&[R]> | But why do they need cat to begin with? |
| 04:01 | <&McMartin> | Solved a problem someone had well enough to ship? |
| 04:02 | <&[R]> | I guess |
| 04:02 | <&[R]> | Sounds like it's super portable |
| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | "Runs on Linux *and* BSD" |
| 04:08 | <&McMartin> | Though yeah, I mean, Chrome runs fine on Windows, so I assume this is in some OS-specific code. |
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| 09:41 | <&McMartin> | I'm working up a Bumbershoot article about linking and loading |
| 09:42 | <&McMartin> | I'm torn between 'To DLL Hell and Back' and 'The Harrowing of DLL Hell' for the title |
| 09:42 | <&McMartin> | I like the former better, but I already have an essay series named 'To HLL and Back' |
| 09:48 | | * abudhabi performs percussive maintenance on the ol' mouse. |
| 09:49 | <@TheWatcher> | McMartin: I think it's distinct enough to use "To DLL Hell..." |
| 09:50 | <&McMartin> | That also lets me conclude with that one xkcd :0 |
| 09:51 | <&McMartin> | https://xkcd.com/1988/ and https://xkcd.com/1987/ are actually both unnervingly relevant |
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| 09:53 | <&McMartin> | Since part of the clang-on-Mac experience is that everything you build ends up including hardcoded references to that latter, starting at "(misc folders owned by root)" |
| 09:55 | <@TheWatcher> | 👍 |
| 09:55 | <@TheWatcher> | Brilliant |
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| 09:55 | <&McMartin> | I'm not even kidding; purging /usr/local/Cellar and all its transitive closures is what finally broke the dam preventing the 64-bit Mac UQM release after years. |
| 09:56 | <&McMartin> | Homebrew and macports are both firmly to be classified under "Mad, bad, and dangerous to know" |
| 09:58 | <@TheWatcher> | But mah FOSS!~ |
| 09:59 | <@TheWatcher> | (How about Fink?~) |
| 09:59 | <&McMartin> | Build it and link it from scratch |
| 09:59 | <&McMartin> | (Man, I haven't thought about Fink since Snow Leopard was released.) |
| 10:00 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure how much my insistence on only using @executable_path and not @rpath is because I'm suspicious of later additions to the standard, or because I genuinely don't trust custom rpaths. |
| 10:23 | | * TheWatcher arghs at Oracle |
| 10:23 | <@TheWatcher> | So Much Hate. |
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| 11:21 | <@mac> | Well, that's the shiny new dual-band router set up. Let's see if it's more stable. |
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| 11:51 | < Degi> | Heya |
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| 15:59 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Can you build on something like Travis? |
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| 18:30 | <&McMartin> | jerith: You can use a lot of things as long as you're willing to completely rewrite your project's build system, or extend it to have the necessary post-linking build steps |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | However, on UQM I got mysterious graphical corruption issues that, as best as I can determine, stemmed from different versions of libpng being consulted at build an run time. |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | And that was with, more or less, make. |
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| 20:41 | | * McMartin stabs layout code |
| 20:42 | <&McMartin> | Which is too bad becase "setContentHuggingPriority" ought to be much more :3 than it is |
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