| --- Log opened Mon May 07 00:00:36 2018 |
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| 03:36 | | * McMartin posts the 0.7.0-2 release of UQM for macOS 10.14 compatibility. |
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| 04:51 | <&Derakon> | XKCD has a pretty pro troll in the last panel of its current comic. |
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| 10:03 | < Erik> | Bloody hell. The new Windows PC at the office has arrived with the newest Windows that wants to be my very best friend and asks to listen to me and note my position and customize advertisements to me and generally be hell on earth. |
| 10:03 | <&McMartin> | Disable Cortana in settings |
| 10:03 | < Erik> | I will be sure to do that when I get to the settings |
| 10:03 | < Erik> | Right now it's still in the initialization phase. |
| 10:04 | <&McMartin> | I'm still, years later, giving hella side-eye to naming the thing Cortana |
| 10:04 | <&McMartin> | That's inches from naming it SHODAN |
| 10:04 | < Erik> | Now it's asking for an "optional" registration that will also send my data to HP if I accept. And there is no button other than "Next" on the screen, and by pressing "Next" I accept the data processing terms of service outlined within. |
| 10:04 | <&McMartin> | Oh ick, OEM shovelware |
| 10:04 | <&McMartin> | The only solution is to dust off and nuke the site from orbit |
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| 10:07 | < Erik> | Uncheck, uncheck, uncheck hella lotta default acceptance shit... |
| 10:07 | < Erik> | I feel incredibly nostalgic for old things like my Win7 machine now. |
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| 10:07 | < Erik> | Holy shit these nudges. I uncheck a bunch of permissions, press Next, press Back to review the previous step, *the permissions are rechecked in that step now*. |
| 10:10 | < Erik> | Slightly creepy text on loading screens. "We are preparing everything for you." "We will make sure everything is ready." |
| 10:10 | <&[R]> | Just wait until you start seeing the update messages |
| 10:10 | < Erik> | Trying to persuade me to sign up for HP (again), DropBox, McAfee, something called JumpStart... |
| 10:11 | < Erik> | Buttons are "Yes" and "Maybe later". |
| 10:11 | < Erik> | WHERE'S THE 'NO' BUTTON? |
| 10:11 | <&[R]> | JumpStart's the USB swapspace thing right? |
| 10:11 | <&McMartin> | "No" would mean it would have to block you if you ever in the future tried to install them, duh |
| 10:12 | <&[R]> | (and yes I know MS calls swap something stupid) |
| 10:12 | < Erik> | Finally it reaches the desktop. I can still hear it whirring and loading though. |
| 10:13 | < Erik> | A "Do you want to install somethingsomething" popup appeared for a second, before I could react it disappeared on its own. |
| 10:13 | | * Erik watches new icons pop in on the start menu. |
| 10:14 | < Erik> | Wait, no, not the start menu, they took that out, the dishpits. The bar-that-replaces-the-start-menu that sits at the bottom of the screen and has icons on it, but pressing at lower left opens something entirely horrendous. |
| 10:14 | < Erik> | Like the worst of a touchscreen ported to a laptop. |
| 10:14 | <&[R]> | You clearly skipped 8 |
| 10:14 | <&McMartin> | Once Cortana is disabled you can just type in the name of whatever you want to run and it's ready to go |
| 10:15 | <&[R]> | Try https://github.com/clong/MakeWindows10GreatAgain |
| 10:16 | <&McMartin> | Also Classic Shell linked there, but I've honestly not found a need for it. |
| 10:16 | < Erik> | Morbidly fascinating what that screen suggests as some of the first things I may want to do: MS Access, Alarms, Pictures, Buy Wi-Fi Data, Booking.com, Candy Crush, Dropbox. |
| 10:16 | < Erik> | Who... who was this based on? |
| 10:17 | < Erik> | I disabled all personalization and data tracking it asked me for, so presumably this is some kind of anonymous average of what randoms use their computers for. |
| 10:17 | <&[R]> | WTF is "Wi-Fi Data" and YTF do I need to buy some? |
| 10:17 | <&McMartin> | "Access" "Alarms" "Buy" "Booking" "Candy" "Drop" looks alphabetical |
| 10:17 | < Erik> | [R]: if you're connecting to the internet via a cell phone data plan, perhaps? |
| 10:18 | <&McMartin> | If "Pictures" is secretly "Albums" |
| 10:18 | <&McMartin> | Also if you're in a hotel or on a plane |
| 10:18 | < Erik> | Huh, yeah, alphabetical might explain it. |
| 10:19 | < Erik> | OK. All intro shit appears to be done loading. Time for disabling Cortana and installing better browser and the thing R linked. Thanks. |
| 10:19 | <&[R]> | Thing I linked will disable Cortana for you |
| 10:19 | <&McMartin> | As for why Candy Crush, IIRC it's outsold the total number of desktop and console machines in existence, so people who play games on their phone will want to ensure that it's never more than two clicks away =P |
| 10:19 | <&[R]> | Also Win+X |
| 10:20 | <&McMartin> | There's a bunch of Win+Whatever commands in Win10 that are actually genuinely fine things |
| 10:20 | <&McMartin> | I use the Win-Arrow commands a great deal to set up tiling |
| 10:20 | <&[R]> | Windows' chetto tiling is blegh |
| 10:20 | <&[R]> | ghetto* |
| 10:21 | <&[R]> | Better than nothing at least |
| 10:21 | <&McMartin> | Better than both macOS and GNOME 3, IME |
| 10:21 | <&[R]> | Also I wish the multiple desktop shortcuts were less stupid |
| 10:21 | <&[R]> | Fair enough, but I use a tiling WM |
| 10:21 | <&McMartin> | For whatever reason I never warmed to virtual desktop on any system |
| 10:21 | <&McMartin> | Oh yeah, this is not for competing with that |
| 10:21 | | * [R] uses them heavily |
| 10:22 | <&McMartin> | This is for "I have a web browser and a text editor, do the sane thing right now plz" |
| 10:22 | <&[R]> | wmii make VDs super accessible |
| 10:22 | <&McMartin> | My problem with tiling WMs is that I then want my ssh window to float over both of those |
| 10:22 | <&[R]> | wmii had dual mode |
| 10:22 | < Erik> | Oh wow, in watching the terribleness of the software I ignored that this new laptop has a terrible hardware design too. |
| 10:22 | <&[R]> | i3 might still have that |
| 10:23 | < Erik> | There's a completely joint "unipad" that merges cursor-movement-surface and left-click-button and right-click-button. |
| 10:23 | < Erik> | "Clicks" are done by depressing depressable areas of the pad. There is no visual indicator of which areas are depressable. |
| 10:24 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, welcome to 2013, my dude |
| 10:24 | | * [R] lugs around a wireless keyboard+mouse with his work laptop |
| 10:24 | < Erik> | I have been very happy on a 2011 laptop here until now. :P |
| 10:24 | <&McMartin> | The fancy ones aren't even depressible and fake it with force feedback! |
| 10:25 | < Erik> | All areas of this unipad are depressable if FIST is applied sufficiently. |
| 10:25 | < Erik> | Great. Just great. "Buttons" that require variable force depending on where in an unmarked area I attempt to press them. |
| 10:25 | <&McMartin> | ... that sounds like basic physics |
| 10:26 | < Erik> | McMartin: keyboard keys require about the same force if I press them middle or center, this unipad has like 5x variance between pressing bottom and pressing middle |
| 10:26 | < Erik> | *keys middle or corner |
| 10:26 | <&McMartin> | Right, because the key doesn't deform when you press the edge. |
| 10:26 | <&McMartin> | If you put a load cell under a giant single piece of plastic, the weight on the load cell will vary based on how close you are to it. |
| 10:27 | <&McMartin> | Also unless you're using a ZX81 the keyboard has a hundred-odd separately moving parts. |
| 10:30 | < Erik> | regardless of the physics, my keyboard and old mouse worked in a way that the new unipad does not work |
| 10:30 | < Erik> | they unsolved a solved problem and i hate it |
| 10:32 | <&McMartin> | Thus the appeal of retrocomputing |
| 10:34 | < Erik> | [R]: making windows 10 great again is stalled while the Powershell installs the helpfiles :D |
| 10:34 | < Erik> | watman |
| 10:34 | <&[R]> | Yeah, I don't know why it installs the helpfiles |
| 10:34 | <&[R]> | I'm guessing it's useful to people who actually use PS |
| 10:35 | <&McMartin> | If you have to do serious Windows admin work, PS is as important to you as Perl is to a 90s-era Unix admin |
| 10:35 | <&McMartin> | AIUI |
| 10:37 | <&McMartin> | I note that the scripts that R links also install the Windows Linux Subsystem |
| 10:37 | | * Erik wat some more |
| 10:38 | <&McMartin> | I have found that the problems I have that look that WLS would solve them are better solved by MSYS2 |
| 10:38 | <&[R]> | That's actually the main reason I installed that :p |
| 10:38 | < Erik> | After rebooting after running the greatifier script, it says I can't log in because my account is deactivated. |
| 10:38 | <&[R]> | ! |
| 10:38 | <&[R]> | I'm guessing it was setup as an online account? |
| 10:38 | <&[R]> | Because the scripts disable that BS too |
| 10:39 | <&[R]> | script disables* |
| 10:39 | < Erik> | it was set up as a 'Microsoft account' of unclear nature, which may have been online, because this was right at the start of initialization. |
| 10:39 | <&McMartin> | .. yeah, that was not what you wanted |
| 10:40 | <&[R]> | Yeah... MS' abiltiy to name things confusingly has massively increased |
| 10:40 | <&McMartin> | You want a local account that does not live as part of Xbox live |
| 10:40 | < Erik> | ...XBOX? |
| 10:40 | <&McMartin> | To be fair, "Microsoft Account" is a totally reasonable name for what the Apple and Android ecosystems call an "Apple account" or a "Google account" |
| 10:40 | < Erik> | Welp. Guess it's time for a factory reset if I've deactivated the only account I'd set up on the computer. |
| 10:40 | < Erik> | Wheeeee |
| 10:40 | < Erik> | New Windows is fun! |
| 10:41 | <&[R]> | But it /really/ should have been explained that it was online during a windows installation |
| 10:41 | <&McMartin> | This is also, to be fair, you assuming that nothing has changed in nearly ten years and that reading manuals is optional |
| 10:41 | <&[R]> | My boss got burned /hard/ by that shit |
| 10:42 | <&[R]> | If only there were some space on the screen to explain that shit... |
| 10:42 | < Erik> | McMartin: I have a manual and I did read it! |
| 10:42 | < Erik> | Well, "manual" may be a little storng. It's an eight-page Setup Booklet. |
| 10:42 | <&McMartin> | That's stronger than I intended |
| 10:42 | <&McMartin> | I think I did my upgrade off some old Ars Technica HOWTOs of the time |
| 10:43 | < Erik> | Subjects covered in it: hardware, how to plug in and turn on, how to navigate the Start Screen, how to use touch gestures, how to send feedback to Microsoft. |
| 10:43 | < Erik> | Not covered: creating a user account when booting the machine for the first time, or the nature of that account. |
| 10:44 | <&[R]> | You should have a local admin account at least right? |
| 10:45 | < Erik> | I configured one account on first boot and that's the account I was then locked out of. If there's a default native admin account, maybe I could have used that, but it's going through reset now. |
| 10:46 | <&McMartin> | I would expect that it actually would have no working accounts at that point. |
| 10:47 | <&McMartin> | Windows NT does not have a notion of an immutable and inevitable root account. |
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| 11:20 | < Erik> | Hokay, after the reset I have again reached the point where it asks me to create an account to use, and this time poked around until I found the "Offline account" option. |
| 11:21 | < Erik> | This leads to a screen titled "Sign in with Microsoft Instead?" and No/Yes buttons. |
| 11:21 | < Erik> | BRB, looking up which button does what here. |
| 11:37 | < Erik> | (it was No to be offline) |
| 11:39 | | * Erik removes many default things, including Netflix. |
| 11:46 | <&[R]> | One complaint I have with how Windows Home works now is most small bussinesses will be using laptops with Home |
| 11:47 | <&[R]> | Which is crippling to them. |
| 11:47 | <&[R]> | There really should be an option to switch it to "small bussiness" so they have the saner update stuff |
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| 12:56 | < Degi> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcNsW1CWsAEFqj7.jpg |
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| 19:03 | <@abudhabi> | Is there an irssi command to change the nick colour of some particular user? |
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| 20:45 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: I don't think there's a built-in way, but I think https://github.com/irssi/scripts.irssi.org/blob/master/scripts/nickcolor.pl will let you do it |
| 20:46 | <@abudhabi> | TheWatcher: Yeah, that's what I mean. What is the command? |
| 20:47 | < [> | color if i'm reading this right |
| 20:48 | < [> | color set nick num, where num is 2-14 |
| 20:49 | < [> | save/set/clear/list/preview |
| 20:49 | < [> | those are the commands you can use after /color |
| 20:50 | <@abudhabi> | Hmm. Which color is brown? |
| 20:50 | <@abudhabi> | Number, I mean. |
| 20:50 | < [> | try 5 |
| 20:51 | < [> | might just be red though |
| 20:51 | < [> | oh do preview |
| 20:51 | < [> | that shows them all |
| 20:51 | <@abudhabi> | /color preview nick |
| 20:51 | <@abudhabi> | ? |
| 20:51 | <@abudhabi> | Ah! |
| 20:51 | <@abudhabi> | It's 7. |
| 20:59 | <@abudhabi> | Thanks! |
| 21:00 | < [> | np |
| 21:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Sorry, went afk >.< |
| 21:06 | < [> | abudhabi: remember to do /color save, otherwise when you quit it will prob forget |
| 21:06 | <@abudhabi> | I have remembered. |
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| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | Here is your commit for the day: https://github.com/piuccio/cowsay/blob/master/cows/dragon-and-cow.cow |
| 22:17 | <&McMartin> | Actually, I lied, *here* is the PR of the day, same project: https://github.com/piuccio/cowsay/pull/33 |
| 22:17 | <&McMartin> | "Adds thagomizers to stegosaurus * Closes #31" |
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