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| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | Oh nice |
| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | RISC OS 5's screencap utility works even when the GUI itself has been suspended or usurped |
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| 04:29 | <&[R]> | Crazy |
| 04:30 | <&[R]> | RISC is the one with the FOSS clone or fork right? |
| 04:30 | <&[R]> | With the meta-data-based FS? |
| 04:30 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 04:31 | <&McMartin> | 5 is in fact the OSS fork |
| 04:31 | <&[R]> | Oh |
| 04:31 | <&McMartin> | (And the one that runs on the Pi) |
| 04:31 | <&[R]> | I was thinking of something else, but nice to know it's FOSS |
| 04:31 | <&[R]> | Does it run on x86_64? |
| 04:31 | <&McMartin> | BeOS/Haiky, perhaps? |
| 04:31 | <&[R]> | Yes! |
| 04:31 | <&McMartin> | No, RISC OS is very much ARM only |
| 04:31 | <&McMartin> | very very very much |
| 04:33 | <&McMartin> | *Haiku |
| 04:33 | <&McMartin> | Haiku does have x86 support. Dunno about x86_64. |
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| 05:04 | <&McMartin> | BeOS was also a much more sophisticated OS than RISC OS was/is. |
| 05:04 | <&McMartin> | RISC OS has a definite Classic Mac/Win 3.1 vibe |
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| 10:11 | <&McMartin> | Behold the finest cut-from-GUI-to-CLI ever: https://i2.wp.com/bumbershootsoft.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/riscos_02_shellcli .png |
| 10:13 | <&McMartin> | (And yes, it just keeps scrolling up) |
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| 10:24 | <@abudhabi> | Why? |
| 10:26 | <&McMartin> | Because the GUI process has stopped and you're in text mode so the pre-existing graphics, aka, The Desktop, just scroll like everything else. |
| 10:26 | <&McMartin> | "Finest" in this case means "most hilarious". |
| 10:30 | <@abudhabi> | Fun. |
| 10:35 | <&McMartin> | This is what I ended up using my RPi for. |
| 10:42 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. C# is pretty similar to Java, right? :ducks: |
| 10:42 | <&McMartin> | Yes |
| 10:42 | <&McMartin> | Until Java 8 it was strictly superior |
| 10:42 | <&McMartin> | Java 8 catches up in the most important parts, IMO, but C# is still extremely solid |
| 10:43 | <&McMartin> | They operate in roughly the same level of abstraction; your choice of language between the two should be guided by the software ecosystem you wish to exploit and/or be part of. |
| 10:45 | <@abudhabi> | Well, the context is that I'm considering contributing to an OSS project. Java's my best thing, but I've been taught a bit of C# in aeons past. |
| 10:46 | <&McMartin> | "You'll be fine." |
| 10:46 | <&McMartin> | MSDN's C# docs are as good or better than Oracle's Java docs. |
| 10:47 | <@abudhabi> | C# on Windows has its own in-baked GUI thing, right? |
| 10:47 | <&McMartin> | There's a couple technologies that you might find alien - async/await and Linq are the most flagrant - but both are neat and worth learning, and both are wacky enough that maybe they won't use it |
| 10:47 | <&McMartin> | It has several, in fact, some of which I think Mono supports too |
| 10:47 | <&McMartin> | Many C# systems are CLI or headless, though, and paople write GTK or SDL programs in C# with some regularity as well. |
| 10:48 | <&McMartin> | If you're just casting about looking for a project to pitch in on, I'd say that if you're an expert in Java you might as well look at the C# projects as well. |
| 10:48 | <@abudhabi> | Right, OK. I'm just trying to figure out what the flip this project ( https://github.com/Pulsar4xDevs/Pulsar4x ) uses on Windows. |
| 10:49 | <&McMartin> | WinForms. |
| 10:49 | <&McMartin> | That's the one I consider the basic one. |
| 10:49 | <@abudhabi> | Right. Is it horrible? |
| 10:50 | <&McMartin> | No worse than anything else |
| 10:50 | <@abudhabi> | That's not encouraging! |
| 10:50 | <&McMartin> | I've been more successful with it than I have with GTK, though this is saying very very little >_> |
| 10:50 | <&McMartin> | It's got a usable visual designer, the basic design methodology is sound, it produces Modern-Windows-Looking stuff |
| 10:51 | <&McMartin> | Definitely nicer than Swing. |
| 10:51 | <&McMartin> | But a very similar basic philosophy |
| 10:52 | <@abudhabi> | In any case, shouldn't be worse than my day job to dig into this. Since my day job is "here, have this undocumented application that's been developed by X teams over XX years, and develop it further and maybe document it a bit more". |
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| 10:52 | <&McMartin> | Heh. |
| 10:53 | <@abudhabi> | There is more horror here, but I'm under NDA. |
| 10:53 | <&McMartin> | To learn WinForms I'd find some basic tutorial somewhere and work through one |
| 10:53 | <&McMartin> | It's not as simple as typing something in the way it is with Swing, but the things you *do* do scale better |
| 10:53 | <&McMartin> | And I vastly prefer its mix of visual design and coding specifics to Xcode's stuff. |
| 10:54 | <@abudhabi> | Mhm. |
| 13:56 | | * TheWatcher ughs, discovers that $selg and $self are not interchangable |
| 13:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Who knew? |
| 13:59 | <@Tamber> | They're not?! Man, I have a lot of code to rewrite, then... |
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| 16:20 | < Jessikat> | ...I'm beginning to really despise how much boilerplate C++ requires for very simple things |
| 16:23 | < Jessikat> | Like defining the signature of a delegate |
| 16:24 | <@gnolam> | https://i.redd.it/jrwkbnbnqf2z.png ... yeees, that's how you improve safety after a breach |
| 16:30 | < Jessikat> | Uh |
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| 17:23 | <@Tamber> | Oh wow. That's... that's special. |
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