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| 01:24 | <&McMartin> | Alright. One week-ish in and I've figured out what shape to bend my brain into to get Go to basically do what I want. |
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| 01:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: it doesn't work like that. Upgrading from 7 to 10 doesn't get you a win10 key that you can use to install it without upgrading. |
| 01:55 | <@Turaiel> | ToxicFrog: aaaactually, the machine gets a digital entitlement. Windows 10 will always work on that machine after the first installation. |
| 01:56 | <@Turaiel> | You won't have a key, but it'll activate itself on first boot |
| 01:56 | <@Turaiel> | I won't pretend to know the technical details on that, but I know it works. I've utilized it a number of times. |
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| 01:59 | <@Turaiel> | At the very least, that's how it worked in the free upgrade period. Dunno what happens now with the accessibility workaround. |
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| 02:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | Turaiel: right. On that machine. It does not give you a transferable Win10 license and if you change the hardware enough that it counts as a different machine -- MS has been cagey about what exactly that means, but replacing the CPU might be enough -- you're SOL. |
| 02:05 | <@Turaiel> | yep |
| 02:08 | <@celticminstrel> | ToxicFrog: Well, if I got a new computer it'd come with Win10 anyway, so that wouldn't matter. |
| 02:08 | <@celticminstrel> | I mean, I wouldn't need a transferrable license. |
| 03:10 | <@Alek> | Replacing the mobo also often counts. |
| 03:11 | <@Alek> | although given that replacing the mobo usually means replacing the CPU too.... that's a bit moot. :P |
| 03:11 | <@Alek> | I bought a 3-use non-fixed-machine win8 key way back when. so glad it wasn't fixed or single-use. |
| 03:12 | <@Alek> | I've used it all up already. >_> |
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| 03:26 | <@Turaiel> | I can't say I've ever purchased a Windows license |
| 03:26 | <@Turaiel> | Back in the day I pirated, but once I got into school I could just get licenses from the school. |
| 03:27 | <@Turaiel> | And they were pro licenses <3 |
| 03:27 | <@Reiv> | Turaiel: Quite so |
| 03:27 | <@Reiv> | But I am no longer at school |
| 03:27 | <@Reiv> | If you are at school and have a liscence spare I am, however, all ears :P |
| 03:28 | <@Turaiel> | I am not at school. Amazingly they did not revoke my access to Dreamspark though :P |
| 03:28 | <@Turaiel> | Hopefully they aren't also still charging me tuition ;P |
| 03:29 | <@Reiv> | haha |
| 03:32 | | * celticminstrel doesn't expect to ever replace anything other than the graphics card in that computer. |
| 03:33 | <@celticminstrel> | I didn't actually check if I still have the Dreamspark access. |
| 03:33 | <@celticminstrel> | I just assumed it automatically ends once you've graduated. |
| 03:33 | <@Reiv> | Does it hurt to give it a go? |
| 03:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Maybe not. |
| 03:33 | <@Reiv> | I don't really know much about it. |
| 03:34 | <@celticminstrel> | That's where I got my Win7 and MSVC2013 from. |
| 03:35 | <@Reiv> | Go on, give it a try~ |
| 03:37 | <@celticminstrel> | Eh... I'll think about it? |
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| 06:36 | <&McMartin> | Hee. Someone loaded one of the Bumbershoot programs into a Tandy 1000: http://imgur.com/a/mo06J |
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| 09:38 | <@abudhabi> | Task 1: Install the megaproject the team is working on. |
| 09:39 | <@abudhabi> | I'm on day 2 so far! |
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| 11:38 | <@abudhabi> | "What do I do to get started?" |
| 11:38 | <@abudhabi> | "OK, log in to JIRA to--" |
| 11:39 | <@abudhabi> | "I don't have access to JIRA." |
| 11:39 | <@abudhabi> | "OK, let's visit the team in charge of access." |
| 11:39 | <@abudhabi> | *walking over to other side of building* |
| 11:39 | <@abudhabi> | "Hi, can we get this guy JIRA access?" |
| 11:39 | <@abudhabi> | "Sure. First log into your email--" |
| 11:40 | <@abudhabi> | "I don't have access to email." |
| 11:40 | <@abudhabi> | "Then you can't get JIRA access, sorry. And we're not in charge of emails." |
| 11:40 | <@abudhabi> | *walk back to original cubicle area* |
| 11:40 | <@abudhabi> | "Let's find you something 'manual' to do." |
| 11:41 | <@abudhabi> | *ten minutes into being walked through data modifications* |
| 11:42 | <@abudhabi> | "This task has not been thought through because of contradiction X." |
| 11:42 | <@abudhabi> | *acting team lead (acting, because scrum master is sick) goes off to potentially fix that somehow* |
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| 14:37 | <@abudhabi> | At least I know that other people know how dysfunctional this is. After all, the public spaces are plastered with Dilbert printouts. |
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| 16:42 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. Project for today will be to feed a python script a bunch of links to a Chinese dictionary, and have them spit out two Anki cards each. |
| 16:54 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. This will entail finding out where it's drawing information from, since the base HTML doesn't include any of it. It's either JS or some other client-side stuff that populates the fields. |
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| 18:12 | <@abudhabi> | OK, this is too annoying to do in one sitting. I can't figure out where the data is coming from, and alternative sources are unreliable. |
| 18:31 | <&[R]> | Can you link it? |
| 18:34 | <@abudhabi> | Sure. |
| 18:34 | <@abudhabi> | [R]: http://www.archchinese.com/chinese_english_dictionary.html?find=%E5%80%99 |
| 18:36 | <&[R]> | What information exactly are you looking for? |
| 18:37 | <@abudhabi> | Character, definition, pinyin. |
| 18:38 | <&[R]> | curl 'http://www.archchinese.com/getCoreWordShortListByCharPinyin' -H 'Host: www.archchinese.com' -H 'User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0' -H 'Accept: */*' -H 'Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5' --compressed -H 'Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded' -H 'Referer: http://www.archchinese.com/chinese_english_dictionary.html?find=%E5%80%99' -H 'Cookie: __utma=157282283.598700669.1489516593.1489516593.1489516593.1; |
| 18:38 | <&[R]> | __utmb=157282283.3.10.1489516593; __utmc=157282283; __utmz=157282283.1489516593.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none); __utmt=1' -H 'DNT: 1' -H 'Connection: keep-alive' -H 'Cache-Control: max-age=0' --data 'charpinyin=5019' |
| 18:38 | <@abudhabi> | How'd you find it? |
| 18:38 | <&[R]> | Firefox -> F12 -> Network, look for interesting URLs |
| 18:39 | <&[R]> | Right click, Copy as cURL |
| 18:39 | <&[R]> | Chrome's got something similar |
| 18:39 | <&[R]> | If you're forced to use Edge, nothing I can say can help you. |
| 18:40 | <@abudhabi> | Thank you. |
| 18:41 | <&[R]> | np |
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| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | I feel like I should be messing around with Emscripten. |
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| 23:11 | <@himi> | What /is/ emscripten? I've seen the name but I haven't ever dug into it |
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| 23:12 | <&McMartin> | It's the latest iteration of various techonologies to compile traditional native-code languages to reasonably efficient web technologies |
| 23:13 | <&McMartin> | LLVM to asm.js, in this case, and apparently easier to use than NaCl, which was the previous leader in that field. |
| 23:14 | <&McMartin> | So for me the interesting thing to do would be to try to compile UQM (or, heck, Sable and TA) into web-playable forms |
| 23:14 | <&McMartin> | Or possibly some of the wackier emulators I've been working with lately, like sz81. |
| 23:15 | <@himi> | Ah |
| 23:15 | <@himi> | Oh, yes, the javascript-ish target that compilers can output |
| 23:15 | <&McMartin> | asm.js is itself on the way out now, with a standardized bytecoded format for such things, but that's not there yet |
| 23:16 | <@himi> | Web assembler? |
| 23:16 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. |
| 23:17 | <@himi> | I know there's a reasonably usable rust toolchain targeting emscripten, but I've never tried it |
| 23:17 | | * himi is comfortable enough with javascript to use it natively over rust, though rust has some significant advantages that might make it worth using this way |
| 23:17 | <&McMartin> | emscripten itself is an LLVM backend, I believe, so anything that LLVM can eat - which certainly includes Rust - should be able to make that work. |
| 23:18 | <&McMartin> | the fact that emscripten knows OpenGL and SDL well enough to transparently operate them means that I can stick to C++ :P |
| 23:18 | <@himi> | Yeah, it's the DOM and related stuff that needs support in the language libraries |
| 23:19 | | * himi only uses JS for actual web stuff, so it's pretty important to have access to the browser environment |
| 23:19 | <&McMartin> | Yep |
| 23:20 | <&McMartin> | My use case for emscripten is "hey, I wrote some single-window OpenGL and/or SDL programs and I'd like to distribute them in a way that doesn't require umpteen squillion binaries that break everytime someone who isn't Microsoft releases an OS update" |
| 23:20 | | * himi nods |
| 23:20 | <@himi> | Javascript is ridiculously widely available |
| 23:21 | <&McMartin> | Yep. And unlike Webassembly, asm.js is still technically valid JS |
| 23:21 | | * himi nods |
| 23:21 | <&McMartin> | AIUI the browser doesn't actually run it with its normal JS core though, but recognizes it as asm.js and then JITs it into fixed-heap register-machine code. |
| 23:21 | <&McMartin> | My understanding is, however, a bit hazy so don't take that as gospel |
| 23:21 | <@himi> | Though these days the update process for browsers means that having to deal with targeting old ones is far less of an issue |
| 23:22 | <@himi> | Particularly given how many of those browsers are integrated into mobile platforms |
| 23:24 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, though once you start messing about with WebGL and the like... |
| 23:24 | <&McMartin> | I remember some of my simple WebGL stuff choking on mobile devices. |
| 23:25 | <@himi> | Bleeding edge stuff . . . |
| 23:25 | <@himi> | Shouldn't be, but when you combine browser support with the range of GPU hardware in mobile platforms it definitely draws blood regularly |
| 23:25 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/terrain.html is my only WebGL program of interest to date |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | And it's exploiting vertex shaders, which it turns out a lot of phones don't bother with |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | OpenGL has a lovely thing with vertex shaders where you have to support them but the minimum number you have to support is zero |
| 23:27 | <&McMartin> | Which I suppose boils down to "the call that says you don't have them has to work" |
| 23:27 | <@himi> | A lot of phone hardware is /very/ primitive - OpenGL ES1 or similar, even if it might advertise ES2 support |
| 23:27 | <&McMartin> | Yep, but the program I based that on was built around OpenGL 2.0, which is not exactly cutting edge |
| 23:28 | <@himi> | Yeah, but primitive in phone hardware is OpenGL 1 |
| 23:29 | <&McMartin> | Which is fun, because that's what Sable uses. That's one reason I'm curious about whether it will work out of the box. |
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