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| 13:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | Hot damn. |
| 13:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | So I'm writing up my promo application and part of this involves running around trying to quantify the improvements I've made. |
| 13:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | I have now done just that for the automated change generator I helped write. |
| 13:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | Changes generated using it get approved 65% faster and submitted 35% faster than manually written changes doing the same things, saving ~122 engineer-days per month. |
| 13:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | That is definitely going in the writeup. |
| 13:43 | <@TheWatcher> | O.o |
| 13:43 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 13:43 | <@TheWatcher> | (And good luck) |
| 14:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | (thanks) |
| 14:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | (also, the infrastructure used to collect these metrics in the first place is something I designed and wrote in its entirety. That's *also* going in the packet.) |
| 14:21 | < LadyOfLight> | Awesome. |
| 14:54 | < LadyOfLight> | ...there's something remarkably relaxing to being able to annihilate an old system and replace it with a much more compact and succinct one |
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| 16:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | Those are always the most satisfying CLs. |
| 17:14 | < LadyOfLight> | Huzzah, my parsers are now 100% data driven |
| 17:14 | < LadyOfLight> | Time to delete the terrible code based models that take up ridiculous amounts of real estate |
| 17:17 | < LadyOfLight> | I am generating C++ code using python now |
| 17:17 | < LadyOfLight> | It's a great way to write it. |
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| 17:47 | <&jeroud> | Today we ripped out two old things. |
| 17:48 | <&jeroud> | One was only about a week old, but necessary to get us a not-broken kernel. |
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| 22:07 | <@Reiv> | promo application? |
| 22:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: promotion. |
| 22:19 | <@Reiv> | Is this "I have written a program in the name of seeking a promotion", or "I am promoting the applications I have written"? |
| 22:20 | <&jeroud> | "I want a promotion, and I present as evidence this program that I wrote for other reasons." |
| 22:21 | <&jeroud> | Or rather, "I am applying for a promotion, and [...]" |
| 22:24 | <@Reiv> | Right |
| 22:24 | <@Reiv> | "Here is the work I have done, gaze apon my glories and exult" |
| 22:26 | <&jeroud> | "Here is the work I have done, gaze apon my glories and give me a fancier title and more money." |
| 22:28 | <@Reiv> | I can get behind that |
| 22:29 | <&jeroud> | I can do without the fancier title. |
| 22:29 | <&jeroud> | More money is always good, though. |
| 22:31 | <@abudhabi> | Y'know how there's an RPG maker line of products? Is there an analogous thing for boardgames-over-IP? |
| 22:31 | <~Vornicus> | there have been a couple of attempts. |
| 22:32 | <~Vornicus> | I once played Fluxx against McM and Andrew Plotkin on one of them |
| 22:38 | <~Vornicus> | I don't know if there's any properly successful ones. I know TF was working on one once, but I think he gave it up after sombody else made something that fit his needs |
| 22:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah,I was working on Felt, and ditched it after I discovered VASSAL |
| 22:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | http://www.vassalengine.org/ |
| 22:39 | <&jeroud> | I think the problem with board games is that they're too diverse to fit into a neat framework thing. |
| 22:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | jeroud: so, the idea with Felt was that it wouldn't enforce the rules. |
| 22:40 | <&jeroud> | So you either get something very restrictive or something very vague. |
| 22:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | It just gives you the tabletop and the pieces and and a hand for each player and some basic verbs (move, flip over, discard, draw, shuffle) and the rest is on you. |
| 22:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | VASSAL can operate in this mode, but people also write more detailed game modules with game-specific rules support. |
| 22:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: it's what jeroud said. Promotion at Google works by ticking the "I would like to nominate for promotion" box at performance review time and then picking out 3-5 things *since your last promo* (unlike normal perf, which is since your last perf, i.e. 6-12 months) demonstrating that you can kick ass at whatever level you'd be promoted to. |
| 22:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | jeroud: in this case the "fancier title" is that I go from "SWE II" to "SWE III". |
| 22:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | (but also more money) |
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| 22:45 | <&jeroud> | "SWE"? |
| 22:45 | <@Reiv> | That sounds excellent, and I wish you all the best |
| 22:46 | <@Reiv> | VASSAL is excellent, btw |
| 22:46 | <@Reiv> | I really need to get around to modding up ERGO for it |
| 22:47 | <&jeroud> | My performance review is coming up soon, and I narrowly avoided promotion receny. |
| 22:47 | <&jeroud> | Err, recently. |
| 22:48 | <@Reiv> | ...Avoided |
| 22:49 | | * Reiv muses on his department, with a grand total of 7 IT staff. |
| 22:49 | <@Reiv> | I can only be promoted by becoming someones boss. |
| 22:49 | <@Reiv> | The only boss I am qualified to become is the position of my current boss. |
| 22:49 | <&jeroud> | Reiv: Yes, that's why I didn't want the promotion. |
| 22:49 | <@Reiv> | If my current boss quit, I would probably do the same in rapid succession. |
| 22:49 | | * Reiv tilts head at that thought. |
| 22:50 | <&jeroud> | It's not so much the "being someone's boss" as it is all the admin and sitting in meeting and having to be diplomatic instead of banging heads together that comes with it. |
| 22:52 | | * TheWatcher knows that one :/ |
| 22:54 | | * TheWatcher is essentially grade ceilinged, unless he either goes management track, or goes elsewhere and is lucky |
| 23:28 | <@Reiv> | Silly jerith |
| 23:28 | <@Reiv> | If you're a boss, you get to do banging-of-heads! |
| 23:28 | <@Reiv> | Grade ceilinged? |
| 23:28 | < LadyOfLight> | Unable to advance higher |
| 23:29 | <@Reiv> | Does this imply "The best you can hope to be as a software dev"? |
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| 23:35 | <&jeroud> | Reiv: Add "in this organisation". |
| 23:37 | <@Reiv> | ...aha |
| 23:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | jeroud: Software Engineer |
| 23:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | And here management, TL, and SWE are all separate tracks; there's no chance of getting promoted into an administrative or management role unless I specifically seek it out. |
| 23:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Reiv: Yeah. I could probably get paid more as a dev somewhere else (although I have this general low-grade background thing of doubting my employability elsewhere, but meh). But in here, the only way I get to go up a pay grade is to become management. |
| 23:42 | <@Reiv> | TheWatcher: I feel you on the 'but am I any good elsewhere' |
| 23:43 | <@Reiv> | The answer ends up somewhat suprisingly 'hell yes, people were dying to talk to me' |
| 23:43 | <@Reiv> | You are a /skilled guy/ |
| 23:43 | <@Reiv> | And able to keep multiple systems running simultaneously with developing enhancements, improvements, and entirely new tools. |
| 23:43 | <@Reiv> | You need only be able to articulate that fact, and you'd have a shot. |
| 23:44 | <@Reiv> | I grant the articulation is not always easy. |
| 23:53 | <&jeroud> | TheWatcher: Pretty much all the places you'd want to work care more about your ability to rapidly learn the stuff you neer |
| 23:53 | <&jeroud> | *need |
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