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| 02:37 | < chatter> | hey guys |
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| 02:38 | < chatter> | allah is doing |
| 02:38 | < chatter> | sun is not doing allah is doing |
| 02:38 | < chatter> | to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger |
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| 05:15 | <@macdjord> | Hrm. I need to get some hundred gigs of files from my old Win Vista laptop to my shiny new Win10 laptop. I don't have an external drive of any significant capacity. The machines are physically next to each otherand connected tot he same wifi network, and I'd like to do this without straining my bandwith by bouncing off an external service. |
| 05:18 | <&McMartin> | Windows file sharing? |
| 05:20 | <@macdjord> | McMartin: I've never used it. Let's see what Google says. |
| 05:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | You are entering a nightmare world from which there is no waking |
| 05:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | More seriously, this is windows' built in network filesystem thinger, and if it works at all it should suffice to copy the files, albeit slowly. |
| 05:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | My approach would probably be to either temporarily add the files to syncthing and let it synchronize overnight, or enable cygwin sshd on one of the machines and run rsync on the other, but if you don't already use syncthing or cygwin it's probably not worth installing them just for this. |
| 05:23 | <@macdjord> | ToxicFrog: I have cygwin on the old laptop, though I've not used it for many a year. Never head of syncthing. I use dropbox, but that falls into the 'bandwith with remote server' category. |
| 05:25 | <&[R]> | Setup Filezilla on the new one |
| 05:25 | <&McMartin> | I mean, what it sounds like you really want is a null modem cable |
| 05:26 | <@macdjord> | McMartin: The machines are already on the same wifi network. I just need software that can leverage this into 'get this file over there'. |
| 05:30 | <@sshine> | macdjord, I recently did something similar with 2TB disks on Win 2012. I used rsync and ended up regretting it and simply using Windows shares. :| wired, though! |
| 05:32 | <@sshine> | macdjord, took a very long time since there were millions and millions of files, the guesstimate was way off, and the amount of precalculation rsync needed to make was overwhelming. |
| 05:32 | <@macdjord> | I'm trying filezilla right now |
| 05:33 | <@sshine> | right. as long as you don't have a *lot* of files and only have large files, FTP/SFTP/SCP might be just as good. |
| 05:33 | <@sshine> | though, having a separate connection per file when you have a lot of byte-size files is going to be worse than the Windows file protocol. |
| 05:39 | <@macdjord> | sshine: It's mostly documents and such. So plenty of files on a human scale, but not by a computer's. |
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| 11:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | sshine: that's...not how rsync works? |
| 11:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | It opens one connection and re-uses it. |
| 11:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Are you thinking of ftp? |
| 11:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | (rsync does require a lot of precalculation, but in recent -- meaning "in at least the last five years" -- versions of rsync the default is to do that in the background while it transfers the first files) |
| 11:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | (although this gets turned off if you use options like --delete-before because that requires it to know the entire transfer list up front) |
| 11:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | macdjord: syncthing is basically dropbox, except it's FOSS, it transfers the data directly between your machines rather than through someone else's servers, and it has no size limits |
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| 12:22 | <&[R]> | Oh right yeah, dropbox has that "sync locally" feature |
| 12:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: even if you enable that it'll *also* try to upload everything to dropbox.com, though |
| 12:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | (and I'm pretty sure that even with local sync enabled it won't let you sync more than 2GB on the free plan; it'll just stop indexing at some point) |
| 12:28 | <&[R]> | Ah right. |
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| 14:53 | <@sshine> | ToxicFrog, yes, I was thinking of FTP. |
| 14:56 | <@sshine> | ToxicFrog, I did throw a lot of parameters at rsync to make it not precalculate things. it didn't seem easy. syncthing seems like a neat alternative. |
| 15:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | syncthing is solving a fundamentally different problem, but it's handy |
| 15:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | For rsync, if you're on any 3.x version, it should use incremental scanning by default |
| 15:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | (assuming both sides are on 3.x) |
| 15:27 | <@sshine> | right. I wanted to avoid that then because the scanning itself took days. |
| 15:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | Right, my point is that any modern rsync will avoid that automatically unless you specifically request a mode like --delete-before that requires it to complete the scan before it can do anything. |
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