| --- Log opened Fri Nov 11 00:00:06 2016 |
| 00:33 | <&McMartin> | re: debugging catch blocks: If I had to guess, something about the way their runtime implements exceptions messes with INT 3 somehow and there's something unfortunate that happens if you make the tradeoff |
| 00:34 | <&McMartin> | These kinds of issues are hardly unique to MS's stuff; lldb on Mac deviled me for years by its inability to handle thread-context switches |
| 00:34 | <&McMartin> | The failure mode that this used to produce doesn't happen anymore, but I don't know if that's because they fixed it or because they've slipped in some extra striction |
| 00:35 | <&McMartin> | (Such as, say, "if you are stepping code, no other thread will ever run anything") |
| 01:38 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: you're arguing with the kind of people who would seriously write "Micro$oft". :P |
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| 01:55 | <&McMartin> | gnolam: I find it's useful practice |
| 01:56 | <&McMartin> | One definite thing that goes wrong with their designs is that they tend to be extremely ad-hoc. It is extremely rare to find a situation where some set of iron principles are laid down within a subsystem and then stay through through all uses of it. |
| 01:56 | <&McMartin> | ... unless it's new, or was at some point subject to a breaking change |
| 02:04 | <@celticminstrel> | llldb has been around for years now, huh? |
| 02:10 | <&McMartin> | I dunno about llldb, but lldb was... hm. |
| 02:10 | <&McMartin> | Actually, it might have been gdb. |
| 02:10 | <&McMartin> | I was targeting 10.6 at the time, and it was definitely >3 years ago. |
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| 02:11 | <&McMartin> | LLVM itself is 13 years old o_O |
| 02:12 | <~Vornicus> | what about lllldb |
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| 02:29 | <@celticminstrel> | Pft. |
| 02:30 | <@celticminstrel> | I think 10.6 might've had llvm already... |
| 02:30 | <@celticminstrel> | I think it became available with XCode 4? |
| 02:32 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. My time on that project goes back to 2008; I think we may have started on XCode 3, even. |
| 02:34 | <@celticminstrel> | XCode 3 was the first XCode I used, I think. |
| 02:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Somehow that reminds me that I still want to somehow get an OSX version of GoldPusher... which uses Symantec C and Think Pascal... |
| 02:44 | <@celticminstrel> | Which as I recall is a proprietary library and thus difficult to obtain... |
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| 06:49 | <&jeroud> | revdb is the best db. |
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| 06:50 | <&jeroud> | (Assuming you're debugging Python code, that is. Otherwise it's pretty useless.) |
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| 08:50 | <@Emmy-werk> | hmmmh. |
| 08:50 | | * Emmy-werk ponders if there is a way to refer to ALL controls on a form (at once) |
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| 09:19 | <@Emmy-werk> | or at least multiple controls. apparently not as far as i can find. :/ |
| 09:43 | | * Emmy-werk groans disappointedly. |
| 09:43 | <@Emmy-werk> | why, vba, why... |
| 09:44 | <@Emmy-werk> | why the fuck do both Control.IsVisible and Control.Visible exist, and why is there even a difference between them!? T.T |
| 09:45 | | * TheWatcher swars at the jquery lazy plugin author |
| 09:45 | <@TheWatcher> | *swears |
| 09:45 | <@TheWatcher> | This has to be some of the crappiest documentation I've read in the last two days |
| 10:49 | <@Emmy-werk> | Isn't a lack of documentation not just lazy, but a sign of incompetence? |
| 10:49 | <@Emmy-werk> | I've always considered it such at least. |
| 10:51 | <@Tarinaky> | Who's incomptence is not always obvious though. |
| 10:52 | <@Tarinaky> | There're a lot of steps along the way before a team goes into full Fire-Fighting mode. |
| 10:53 | <@Tarinaky> | And when your leadership/decision making is reactive it's very hard to become proactive again. |
| 11:07 | <@Emmy-werk> | huh. weird. According to msdn's documentation on Form.Openargs it's possible to pass Openargs to a form only when opening it with a Docmd.Openform in vba, or using an access macro |
| 11:08 | <@Emmy-werk> | no mention of it is ever made in the macro editor, however, and i have been unable to force it either. |
| 11:15 | <@ion> | ...Is there such thing as a window manager that doesn't steal active window focus? |
| 11:15 | <@ion> | I feel like that should be a thing, and probably is, but I'm just ignorant to it |
| 11:16 | <@Emmy-werk> | ? |
| 11:17 | <@ion> | Kind of annoyed of typing things in one window and then suddenly finding myself doing dumb things in a completely different window |
| 11:18 | <@ion> | all because some other program decided "HEY YOU NEED TO KNOW I HAVE UPDATES OMG SO ASSUHM" and switched to another window for me |
| 11:18 | <@Emmy-werk> | hmmmh. I don't think you can blame the window manager for that |
| 11:18 | <@ion> | It's not the biggest source of grief in the world, but it's been a constant source of pestilence since forever ago |
| 11:19 | <@ion> | And I think I can blame the WM for that |
| 11:19 | <@ion> | they gave developers the tool to force window focus to change, one way or another |
| 11:19 | <@Emmy-werk> | you'll have to blame the program stealing the focus for something irrelevant |
| 11:19 | <@Emmy-werk> | Wel yes. sometimes it is necessary. For example, security warnings |
| 11:19 | <@ion> | And as far as I know, as a user, there's no mode that can be set that goes "this window is king all others must yield" kind of shit |
| 11:20 | <@Emmy-werk> | or even taskmanager. |
| 11:20 | <@ion> | security warnings could well be done within the UI of a given piece of software, or make use of other features like the notification area of a taskbar, unfocused toast overlays, etc |
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| 20:09 | <@abudhabi> | Hum. |
| 20:09 | <@Tamber> | Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:10 | <&jerith> | OMMMMMMMINOUS HUMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 20:10 | <@abudhabi> | Suppose you have something like "<div id="foo">bar<span>baz</span></div>", is it possible to edit with CSS *only* the "bar" part without altering anything about the span? |
| 20:24 | <@Azash> | I think CSS doesn't have a negation selector |
| 20:25 | <@abudhabi> | Annoying. I'm trying to find out where the fuck wordpress keeps its commenting form definitions. |
| 20:27 | <@abudhabi> | I can't find any editable place where I can say that the header should, for example, say "leave a comment" instead of "leave a reply" and it's all ajumble. |
| 20:27 | <@Azash> | abudhabi: You might have to maintain separate styles for div#foo and div#foo > span |
| 20:27 | <&jerith> | grep is your friend? |
| 20:28 | <@abudhabi> | I have grepped. |
| 20:28 | <@Azash> | Someone could also comment if I just mutilated the syntax or not |
| 20:28 | <@abudhabi> | The only place I can find the relevant stuff is CSS. |
| 20:29 | <@abudhabi> | No, wait, I think I found it now, several levels up and down. |
| 20:29 | <@abudhabi> | Turns out the theme has nothing to do with it. |
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