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| 10:39 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay. So. I have on the go: 5l cider, 5l mead (sparkling wine yeast) and 5l mead (ale yeast) |
| 10:55 | <@abudhabi> | Are you going to drink that all in one go? :V |
| 11:14 | <@Tarinaky> | Oops, wrong channel. |
| 11:14 | <@Tarinaky> | No. |
| 11:15 | <@Tarinaky> | I still have two bottles left of Mead attempt #1. |
| 11:15 | <@Tarinaky> | Actually, three including the one in the fridge. |
| 11:51 | <@gnolam> | Ale yeast for mead? Eesh. You really should use a proper mead strain. |
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| 13:31 | <@Tarinaky> | gnolam: I haven't seen such a thing. White Labs sell a 'Sweet Mead/Cider' yeast. |
| 13:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Which I have in the fridge. But saving that for batch #3 as I don't want to turn our house into a meadery, lol. |
| 13:35 | <@Tarinaky> | When the weather's a bit nicer I'll try to see if I can get some wild yeast spores. |
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| 18:16 | <&jeroud> | I must make some time this week to read through the backlog of bumbershootsoft. It will contrast nicely with all the mostly-broken modern software I have to deal with at the moment. |
| 18:25 | <&McMartin> | Ironically, the next post planned is a "how everything is broken and ways to get around that" article >_> |
| 18:25 | <&McMartin> | (NASM's 16-bit linking instructions are a bit incomplete and misleading) |
| 18:26 | <&jeroud> | Oh, that's exactly what I want to read. |
| 18:26 | <@Tamber> | The nice thing about that is it includes a "ways to get around that" that isn't just "suffer eternally"~ |
| 18:26 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 18:26 | <&McMartin> | I still can't get mkrescue to work right, but it at least now runs consistently without errors. |
| 18:27 | <&McMartin> | The desktop environment was fighting with mkrescue, since the former wanted to mount it while the latter was trying to format it. |
| 18:27 | <&jeroud> | Because there are ways to get around it that don't involve completely reimplementing several major pieces of infrastructure with a team that can't even keep up with the work we would be doing if all this stuff wasn't broken. |
| 18:27 | <&McMartin> | Solution: Log out of all graphical interfaces, do the work on a pure text screen |
| 18:27 | <&McMartin> | Unfortunately, this still produces the same error where syslinux can't see a file that's clearly right there. |
| 18:29 | <@celticminstrel> | mkrescue? |
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| 18:29 | <@celticminstrel> | That makes me think of an old Apogee game. >_> |
| 18:29 | <&McMartin> | A script ToxicFrog made a while back for creating bootable USB sticks into various useful minimal boot environments |
| 18:29 | <@celticminstrel> | I see. |
| 18:30 | <&McMartin> | One of those environments is in fact FreeDOS, but if you want to get your Apogee on, good luck finding a system that can both boot from USB *and* still has a Soundblaster in it >_> |
| 18:30 | <&jeroud> | ... And I have forgotten how to play music in the key of Bb. |
| 18:30 | <@celticminstrel> | Eh, I can play them on DosBox if I want to anyway. :P |
| 18:30 | <&McMartin> | More seriously, though, I'm testing on what should be identical hardware to what he developed it on and things aren't working right |
| 18:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: I would be interested in command line and output from the fialure |
| 18:30 | <&McMartin> | I'm starting to suspect the USB |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | ./mkrescue -d /dev/sdb |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | (stuff that looks right, cue to press enter) |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | Writing master boot record |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | Unexpected failure! Quitting. |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | (paraphrased from memory) |
| 18:31 | <&McMartin> | The boot error is the one we discussed before, where it cannot find /boot/syslinux/menu.c32 despite (a) it obviously being there and (b) it clearly having found /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg to know to look for that in the first place. |
| 18:32 | <&McMartin> | I've now tested it on both FAT16 and FAT32 filesystems, so this isn't a variable here. |
| 18:33 | <&jeroud> | I keep wanting to play my As flat instead of my Es. |
| 18:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Why suddenly music. |
| 18:33 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: Messing with DOSBox vs. its alternatives is actually the topic of the latest Bumbershoot post! |
| 18:34 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I read that post. |
| 18:34 | <@celticminstrel> | The hat function. |
| 18:34 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 18:34 | <&McMartin> | The next post will be "OK, here's how to get .OBJ files that TLINK will actually use" |
| 18:37 | <&jeroud> | celticminstrel: Because it is now almost precisely the middle of band practice. |
| 18:37 | <@celticminstrel> | What instrument? |
| 18:42 | <&jeroud> | Trombone. |
| 18:43 | <&jeroud> | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/alntdTv9/jerith-band-2016-11.jpg |
| 19:16 | <@gnolam> | Ooh, pith helmets also come with spikes? :D |
| 19:18 | <&jeroud> | These ones do. |
| 19:21 | <&jeroud> | They're incredibly awkward. (Not the spikes.) |
| 19:21 | <&jeroud> | You may notice the decidedly non-jaunty angle I'm wearing mine at. |
| 19:22 | <&jeroud> | That's to keep the pointy tail out of the way of my trombone and the pointy front not directly between my eyes and the conductor. |
| 19:26 | <~Vornicus> | you grew a beard |
| 19:27 | <&jeroud> | Yes. I haven't been clean shaven in many years. |
| 20:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: if it's a reasonable small USB key, I'd appreciate an image file if you can spare the time/bandwidth. |
| 21:12 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: I'll have a go at it |
| 21:12 | <&McMartin> | And it is indeed very small. |
| 21:13 | <&McMartin> | Ideally I can also zerofree the image as well which should make it smaller still. |
| 21:13 | <&McMartin> | (It's an ancient 128MB drive) |
| 21:14 | <&McMartin> | That's actually part of the problem too |
| 21:15 | <&McMartin> | It's old enough that I would need to make sure the image has nothing personally identifiable for anyone on it, and I can't guarantee that without purging empty space |
| 21:39 | <&McMartin> | ... oh, right, OK, sure |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | zerofree only works on ext2/3, but since the whole drive is under 4GB I can just cat /dev/zero to a file until it runs out of space |
| 21:42 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: Okay, I expect that I'll be able to create an image for you while you're asleep~ |
| 21:45 | <&jerith> | I watched https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Simple-Made-Easy recently. It is most excellent. |
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| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | https://github.com/avatsaev/touchbar_nyancat |
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