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| 19:55 | <~Vornicus> | Stupid shit I think of: OS Os. They come in apple, penguin, and window shapes. |
| 19:56 | | * Alek snickers. |
| 19:56 | <@Alek> | don't forget the FreeBSD Devil. |
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| 19:57 | <@Alek> | and what are the Sun (I think they still run on mainframes) and OS/2 symbols? |
| 19:58 | <@celticminstrel> | There's one for Darwin too... was it a platypus? |
| 20:00 | <@Alek> | that sounds familiar, sure |
| 20:04 | <@celticminstrel> | So it took me a little while to get this, but was he talking about cereal? |
| 20:05 | <@Tamber> | Yeah, pretty sure he was. |
| 20:06 | <@Alek> | yup |
| 20:06 | <@Alek> | hrm. Am I the only one who'd love a chance to design his own phone or tablet model? |
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| 20:07 | <@Alek> | I'd love one that's thicker to accomodate a bigger battery, with more efficient cooling as well if possible. |
| 20:08 | <@Alek> | as well as sturdier and stabler hardware. |
| 20:08 | <@Alek> | not necessarily the best and newest. |
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| 20:08 | <@Tamber> | I considered it briefly, decided that's way out of my depth. *grin* |
| 20:08 | <@Alek> | the toughbook equivalent. |
| 20:09 | <@Alek> | any company that made a toughbook-equivalent line of phones and tablets would probably get good custom. |
| 20:10 | <@Alek> | unless they went with iOS or Windows Phone. |
| 20:10 | <&McMartin> | If the former, they couldn't; if the latter, I've come to the conclusion that Windows in the portable milieu really wants a stylus. |
| 20:11 | <@Alek> | oh, that's for sure. |
| 20:12 | <@Alek> | in fact, anything approaching artistic or office functionality on anything smaller than a 6-inch phablet requires a stylus as well, no matter the OS. |
| 20:12 | | * McMartin nods |
| 20:12 | <&McMartin> | I think of the form factors as "truly handheld", "size of a paperback book", "size of a clipboard", "not actually mobile" |
| 20:13 | <&McMartin> | And for artistic/office clipboard is the size I'd want |
| 20:13 | <&McMartin> | ... and for the stuff *I* do in offices, really, "not actually mobile" is fine~ |
| 20:13 | <@celticminstrel> | The latter two are more tablets than phones. |
| 20:13 | <@Alek> | I love my note 3, and consider it JUST barely big enough for me, most of the time. also JUST barely small enough to fit in my pockets. XD |
| 20:13 | <&McMartin> | Actually, for those latter two, I'm thinking more "laptops" :D |
| 20:13 | <&McMartin> | "tablet scale" I think of as the paperback book size. |
| 20:14 | <&McMartin> | Get too much bigger than that and you're competing with, well, the Surface |
| 20:14 | <@celticminstrel> | Really? I suppose maybe that could be the small end of tablets... |
| 20:14 | <@celticminstrel> | Unless the paperback books you're used to are larger than mine... |
| 20:14 | <&McMartin> | ... now that you mention it, all the paperbacks on my desk right now are trade paperbacks >_> |
| 20:15 | <@Alek> | in fact, my note 3 is too small for convenient movie and TV watching. :( I'd love something like the Gear VR, only with a plain viewing function instead of the stereoscopic function. |
| 20:15 | | * McMartin nods |
| 20:16 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, my actual tablet that I own and use for web browsing in bed or w/e is an 8" display |
| 20:16 | <@Alek> | I have no idea how people were watching on 3" first-gen smartphones. |
| 20:16 | <~Vornicus> | cereal or shitty canned pasta |
| 20:16 | <&McMartin> | Which is smaller than a lot of TPBs, but bigger than a mass market, I guess |
| 20:17 | <&McMartin> | It appears the Note 3 is 5.7" |
| 20:17 | <@Alek> | aye |
| 20:17 | <&McMartin> | (I have an nVidia Shield Tablet) |
| 20:17 | <@Alek> | lucky guy. |
| 20:17 | <&McMartin> | (Not to be confused with the nVidia Shiled) |
| 20:17 | <@Alek> | heh. |
| 20:18 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, there was a nice sale and I literally dumped a piggy bank for it |
| 20:18 | <@Alek> | I /think/ my primary GPU is just barely strong enough to handle a Shield, but the rest of my hardware really isn't. |
| 20:18 | <&McMartin> | Into a CoinStar, got out a sum that edged into 3 digits as an Amazon gift card |
| 20:18 | <@Alek> | ooh, nice |
| 20:18 | <&McMartin> | Thought "I should spend this on something irresponsible" |
| 20:19 | <&McMartin> | There was the Shield Tablet at About That Amount, some significant percentage off |
| 20:19 | <&McMartin> | And then basically went "sure" |
| 20:19 | <@Alek> | I haven't had a job in almost 4 years. :( |
| 20:19 | <&McMartin> | Boo :( |
| 20:19 | <@Alek> | some consulting for a bit of pocket money here and there, but not nearly enough. |
| 20:20 | <&McMartin> | I haven't actually tested the Shield functionality on the Shield Tablet |
| 20:21 | <&McMartin> | "TechRadar considered the Galaxy Note 3 to be an evolution in comparison to its predecessor (including its faster hardware and bigger screen), but criticized the device's design for not looking as "slick and premium" in real life as it did during the promotional video." |
| 20:21 | <&McMartin> | I hope this review was corrected later to the correct term, "shiny and chrome" |
| 20:21 | <@Alek> | oh. good news, though. I finally turned in my letter of medical necessity and picked accessory options. I should be getting a new processor, paid for by my medicaid insurance, within a month. *dances awkwardly* |
| 20:22 | <&McMartin> | Presumably not directly, but because money that needed to be spent that was first spent by you has now been reimbursed. |
| 20:22 | <@Alek> | huh? |
| 20:23 | <&McMartin> | As phrased you basically made it sound like you were billing Medicaid for your CPU~ |
| 20:23 | <&McMartin> | As opposed to "now that Medicaid is covering my medical expenses, I can afford a CPU" |
| 20:23 | <@Alek> | I have free insurance since spring thanks to the state, because I don't have a job. so yeah, I'm billing them for a new cochlear processor, so I can hear again. |
| 20:23 | <@Alek> | not a computer processor. :P |
| 20:23 | <@Alek> | (i only wish) |
| 20:24 | <@Alek> | I got my note 3 along with my brother, the night before they were supposed to be released to T-Mobile. no complaints, over 3 years since. :P |
| 20:25 | <&McMartin> | Very nice |
| 20:25 | <&McMartin> | My first tablet was the first, terrible run of the Nexus 7, which I got for like 20 bucks off a coworker suffering buyer's remorse |
| 20:25 | <@Alek> | a new cochlear processor is almost 10 grand, plus programming visits are pretty expensive too, several hundred bucks per 15 minutes. and I need to visit like twice a year for a few years. |
| 20:26 | <&McMartin> | I'm torn between "wow, that's a sizable chunk of change" and "holy shit we are living in the future" |
| 20:26 | <@Alek> | my first tablet was an Asus Transformer. the 300 series, iirc. a few months later I dropped it, closed in clamshell with its keyboard, and the screen shattered. thankfully I had insurance on it and got the money back for the tablet, but was still out the keyboard money and insurance money. |
| 20:29 | <@Alek> | Cochlear implants are decades old, but the processors ARE getting fancy. a decade ago (AFTER I got mine, though), the hybrid implants came out, allowing natural hearing (with or without a hearing aid) in conjunction with the implant, if you still had hearing in some frequencies but not in others. and the newest processor, which I'm getting, connects to devices via bluetooth, and is powered by |
| 20:29 | <@Alek> | LiIon rechargeables. :P |
| 20:30 | <@Alek> | I'm gonna have to get a bluetooth transmitter for my PC, so I can hear without having to plug in speakers. XD |
| 20:30 | <&McMartin> | That is straight out of a Shadowrun sourcebook |
| 20:31 | <&McMartin> | Good luck with that! Hope it all goes well |
| 20:31 | | * McMartin ducks out for lunch. |
| 20:31 | <@celticminstrel> | "and is powered by" --> cut off there? |
| 20:31 | <@Alek> | dude, I'm pretty sure SR4 (or maybe 3) was the first to add wifi capability, and before that it was all wired. XD |
| 20:32 | <@Alek> | by LiIon rechargeables. |
| 20:32 | <@Alek> | Personally, the upgrade I'm looking forward to is speech-to-text transcription with a corneal or optic-nerve display. XD |
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| 20:34 | <@Alek> | There are STILL near-new and new games that don't subtitle their voiceovers and cutscenes. (glares at GITS:SAC First Assault Online) |
| 20:52 | <@abudhabi> | Well, you're probably not their most lucrative target customer. |
| 20:52 | <~Vornicus> | it's not like subtitles are expensive |
| 20:53 | <@abudhabi> | Lot more expensive than not doing them at all. :V |
| 20:59 | <&Derakon> | This seems like a problem that natural language processing is really close to solving. |
| 21:02 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: it's a ridiculously small development effort. |
| 21:03 | <@gnolam> | There really is no excuse. |
| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, presuming your game includes any text at all |
| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | Which it does |
| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | That's the work |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | Meanwhile, I have a question about data organization |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | I'm compiling data for runtimes of a program under various circumstances |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | The things that vary are: |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | - Optimizations attempted |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | - Compilation flags |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | - Execution environment |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | My question is how these should be grouped. |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | Data collection was grouped by execution environment because I'd enter the environment and then run all my programs, of course |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | It seems like optimizations attempted should be the "most variable" element |
| 22:34 | <&Derakon> | Isn't the execution environment potentially anything? |
| 22:35 | <&McMartin> | The three values for that here are: DOSBox; VirtualBox running FreeDOS; FreeDOS running on the bare metal |
| 22:35 | <&McMartin> | I don't have a good other name for that axis beyond "execution environment" right now |
| 22:36 | <&Derakon> | Are optimizations a subset of compilation flags? |
| 22:36 | <&McMartin> | Compilation flags are basically hardware vs. software floating point |
| 22:37 | <&McMartin> | Optimizations are attempts to rewrite the graphics engine of the function plotter, and the part where I was actually doing fun things |
| 22:38 | <&McMartin> | Use Borland's graphics library/simple replacement of same/fancier assembler translation of #2/ad-hoc surface-plotting primitive built just for this |
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| 22:38 | <&Derakon> | What are you trying to do, anyway? |
| 22:38 | <&Derakon> | Or is this secret work stuff? |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | Oh no |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | This is the Bumbershoot Software Post That Got Out Of Hand |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | I found in some ancient archives an old BASIC program that plotted a 3D function, which must have been found on proto-Usenet by my dad in like 1983 or something |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | And one of my old high school lab assignments where I had attempted to port it to something that would complete in less than 45 minutes |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | Trying to get that running revealed that modern DOS emulation does some extremely strange stuff and I've now dug far enough into it to tell a complete story. |
| 22:40 | <&Derakon> | I'm reminded of an old Mandelbrot set generator that we used to play with. |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | Was it by any chance Fractid |
| 22:41 | <&Derakon> | Man, I don't know. |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, yeah |
| 22:41 | <&Derakon> | But this would've been in the early 90's at best. |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | Yep, sounds like the right time frame |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | But then, it was DOS/x86, so maybe not on your radar |
| 22:41 | <&Derakon> | Oh, yeah, this was on Mac. |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | (For the record, the BASIC program marked itself as taking 45 minutes to run; the fastest edition of the program running on my laptop's bare metal - having booted into a DOS prompt just talking to the BIOS and the VESA's CGA simulator mode - was a bit under a second) |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | (But the BASIC program running in those circumstances was a bit over two seconds, so...) |
| 22:42 | <&Derakon> | So that's a ~3000x speed improvement. |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | It wasn't any 45 minutes even when I first encountered the program in the late 1980s - I must assume that it was written when the 4.77MHz PC XT was cutting edge. |
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| 22:56 | <&McMartin> | Hm, OK, playing around with it, it looks like having one row per program and one column per OS works best |
| 22:56 | <&McMartin> | Then for cases where there's an option of soft vs hard FP (not all give the option), report times with soft/hard in the cell. |
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