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| 08:51 | <@abudhabi> | OK, I'm converted to the Pythonic way of indentation. |
| 08:53 | <@abudhabi> | I was using shorthand in Java, and I accidentally made this: http://pastebin.com/raw/upBYTKqB |
| 08:53 | <@abudhabi> | And then I wonder why I keep getting the error despite foo being true. |
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| 09:00 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: and this is why you should always use braces |
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| 11:48 | < catadroid> | FUCK |
| 11:48 | < catadroid> | I JUST REVERTED EVERYTHING |
| 11:48 | | * catadroid flips table and goes to hide |
| 11:51 | <@abudhabi> | Time to restore from backup. |
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| 12:09 | <@abudhabi> | Not yourself, silly. Your code. |
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| 12:39 | < catadroid`> | Ah |
| 12:39 | < catadroid`> | My bad |
| 12:39 | < catadroid`> | (the backup being the thing I reverted *to* though) |
| 13:25 | <@ErikMesoy> | Should each of my demogame's Areas have as attribute the list of Monsters that can appear there, making it easier to handle exploring in an area, or should each Monster instead have a list of Areas it can appear in, allowing for single-point monster adding, or is there perhaps some clever third way? |
| 13:25 | <@ErikMesoy> | More generally, what are the tradeoffs and considerations for where to place primary lookup point when I have two lists that need some form of many-to-many correspondence? |
| 13:26 | <~Vornicus> | Each area should say its monsters. |
| 13:27 | <~Vornicus> | This is because when you get down to it, you care about what's in an area (and thus can generate that area) more than you care about where a monster appears, because the things you're generating are full-fledged areas |
| 13:27 | <~Vornicus> | Otherwise, to generate an area, you have to go through every monster and check to see if this area is on its list |
| 13:28 | <~Vornicus> | This also has other effects. |
| 13:28 | <~Vornicus> | You can tune the frequency of monster types in a particular area, for instance. |
| 13:29 | <@abudhabi> | You could also have a general list of pointers to all the monsters. |
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| 13:31 | <@ErikMesoy> | Vornicus: Monster-owned lists means an area has to run through every monster asking "are you here?", sure, but area-owned lists means that whenever I add/remove a monster, I have to run through every area asking "do I edit here?" and I can automate the former, not the latter. |
| 13:32 | <~Vornicus> | If that's an issue you can make your lists come from a spreadsheet or something |
| 13:32 | <@abudhabi> | Why not have both lists, and pay attention that there's just one entry method that puts them on both? |
| 13:32 | <~Vornicus> | Which also obviates, for instance, the need to manually spell the area and monster names as you generate the list. |
| 13:33 | <@abudhabi> | area.monsterList and globalMonsterList, with addMonster(area, monster) that adds to both. |
| 13:34 | <@ErikMesoy> | Weighted monster rates does seem an important consideration and much easier with area-owned lists, even if technically feasible both ways |
| 13:45 | <~Vornicus> | Other consideration: what about monsters that come in groups, like the Fallen Shaman coming with a buncha Fallen in Diablo 2 |
| 13:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | Would probably be treated as a single "monster" (maybe "encounter" is better name). also thanks, happy to hear more considerations so I can plan more, refactor less! |
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| 13:54 | <@Emmy> | I prefer the term 'terror-challenged being' to indicate one of us, thank you very much. |
| 13:55 | <~Vornicus> | But yeah. Get a spreadsheet going, it makes more sense that way. |
| 14:00 | | * TheWatcher ughs, hunts for a database schema diagram editor that a) actually works, and b) doesn't suck like an overenthusiastic black hole |
| 14:04 | <@Emmy> | You know the difference between windows and a black hole? |
| 14:04 | <@Emmy> | Both suck so hard they violate the usual laws of physics, but i sure as hell hope there's no windows at the center of the milkyway. :P |
| 14:16 | < catadroid`> | I am a good programmer and I know how to write good code. |
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| 14:17 | <@abudhabi> | Are you trying an affirmation? |
| 14:50 | <@Azash> | ErikMesoy: Adding/removing monsters seems like a much rarer event compared to checking which monsters an area might contain |
| 14:51 | <@abudhabi> | Unless you're pudding farming. |
| 14:51 | | * TheWatcher blink |
| 14:54 | < ToxicFrog> | catadroid: it's true! |
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| 15:01 | <@Azash> | abudhabi: The only time when you would need to check by monster, as Erik explained it, is when you actually add/remove it for the whole game |
| 15:01 | <@Azash> | Rather than during gameplay |
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| 15:32 | < catadroid> | Ah, the feeling of having comprehensive tests is lovely |
| 15:33 | < catadroid> | I just completely changed the internal representation of a type for storage reasons and it still works |
| 15:39 | < ToxicFrog> | I just discovered that the tests for my import pipeline aren't as comprehensive as I thought, and there's no good way to make them more comprehensive because the bit that failed is the bit where it talks to an external service in a way that can't really be mocked >.< |
| 15:40 | <@Emmy> | that'll teach you for disrespecting the external service. :P |
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| 15:44 | < catadroid> | I bet I can mock it, just give me a while to come up with some decent puns |
| 15:48 | <@Emmy> | :P |
| 15:48 | <@Emmy> | anywya |
| 15:48 | <@Emmy> | time to go |
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