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| 00:37 | <@celticminstrel> | Here's an even worse one. http://password-shaming.tumblr.com/post/130554774088/what-the-fuck-schawb |
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| 01:27 | <@Alek> | oh dammit. *notices the date* |
| 01:27 | <&McMartin> | ? |
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| 01:33 | <@Alek> | remembered that I had promised to do something for someone by this month. and it's unfinished. D: |
| 01:35 | < [R]> | Wow, and I'm salty my bank limits me to 8 characters |
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| 01:38 | < [R]> | I don't get how they're absolutely sure the PW is in cleartext for Schawb though |
| 01:39 | <@Alek> | ok, found who it was supposed to be for. gnolam, is it too late to finish? D: |
| 01:39 | < [R]> | I mean, I could take the password given, truncate it, lower-case it, /then/ hash it and it'd be hashed, and still work as the rest of the page explains |
| 03:04 | <@Reiv> | Is hashing done client side before sending? |
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| 03:10 | <@Alek> | Oh, it's just Bob. >_> |
| 03:10 | <@Alek> | :P |
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| 15:39 | <@ErikMesoy> | Special character density making it hard to search for explanation of what the hell I was doing in old Python code: '{:.1%}'.format(other_function()) Anyone happen to know offhand what's going on here? |
| 15:41 | < [R]> | Python3? |
| 15:42 | <@ErikMesoy> | Python2. |
| 15:42 | < [R]> | >>> '{:.1%}'.format((2,)) |
| 15:42 | < [R]> | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 15:42 | < [R]> | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> |
| 15:42 | < [R]> | ValueError: zero length field name in format |
| 15:44 | <@ErikMesoy> | Mm. OtherFunction returns a number, and the looks-like-perl function takes a number and converts this to being displayed as a percentage |
| 15:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | '{:.1%}'.format(2) for example |
| 15:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | Ehhh, I can probably just leave this bit of magic in place with a comment saying "formats as percent" or the like. It shouldn't be important. |
| 15:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | (Famous last words.) |
| 15:51 | < [R]> | OH! |
| 15:51 | < [R]> | Alright |
| 15:51 | < [R]> | >>> '{0:.1%}'.format(0.4) |
| 15:51 | < [R]> | '40.0%' |
| 15:51 | < [R]> | I've got 2.6 |
| 15:51 | < [R]> | In 2.7 you can omit the field_name part, which is why I was getting an error |
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| 17:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | It seems like that would be clearer written as '%.1f%%' % other_function() |
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| 19:06 | | * Derakon grumbles at Visual Studio. |
| 19:07 | <&Derakon> | Our program runs as a plugin for another (Java) program. Our program includes both Java and C++. |
| 19:07 | <&Derakon> | The C++ gets built into .dll files on Windows. |
| 19:07 | <&Derakon> | To debug a problem in C++ code, then, I need to use Visual Studio to attach to the running process. |
| 19:08 | <&Derakon> | Which would be fine except that Visual Studio can't see that our DLL is loaded. |
| 19:08 | <&Derakon> | The .dll and .pdb files are right there. |
| 19:08 | <&Derakon> | And Google is exceptionally useless for this kind of problem. |
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| 21:04 | <&Derakon> | Figured it out. The program we're running uses a launcher that invokes java, and I was trying to connect to launcher.exe instead of javaw.exe. |
| 21:04 | <&Derakon> | The launcher does not load our DLLs. |
| 21:04 | <&Derakon> | That sure was a wasted morning! |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | A lesson was learned! |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | Like, a real one, in the "be keenly aware of this fact" sense |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | Also, do you guys have Process Explorer and Process Monitor to hand? |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | They're not default tools but MS distributes them |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | They are the business |
| 21:17 | <&McMartin> | ProcMon in particular saved my ass an implausible number of times |
| 21:17 | <&McMartin> | (ProcExp is basically a super-Task Manager that will also show every DLL loaded for a process and every handle it has open, including non-file handles) |
| 21:17 | <&McMartin> | (ProcMon is an execution/syscall tracer, more or less) |
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| 21:19 | <&Derakon> | I was using Process Explorer, and in fact had noted in it that I had to look at javaw.exe to see my DLLs loaded. |
| 21:19 | <&Derakon> | However, I did not make the connection to the process I needed to attach Visual Studio to. |
| 21:19 | | * McMartin nods |
| 21:19 | <&Derakon> | Which I chalk up to my inexperience with Visual Studio and our C++ environment in general. |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | I wouldn't call that a wasted morning, though |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | That's "getting up to speed with a new environemnt" |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | Which is language, OS, and tooling here, all at once, isn't it? |
| 21:20 | <&Derakon> | It is a morning that could have been truncated to like 15 minutes if I'd had guidance. |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | I associate you with Java work on Macs |
| 21:20 | <&Derakon> | (Alas, $coworker is offsite today) |
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| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | Mmm |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I dunno |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | Maybe I keep score differently |
| 21:20 | <&Derakon> | I'm mostly Java these days, yeah, though it's cross-platform. |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | Because I feel like that after I fix *any* bug |
| 21:20 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 21:21 | <&McMartin> | "Oh, I could have spent five less hours on this if I'd tried the thing that worked first" |
| 21:21 | <&McMartin> | I might be overagressive about shutting that voice up~ |
| 21:21 | <&Derakon> | This is more "I could have spent five less hours on this if I could have asked my coworker a question that I know he knows the answer to." |
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| 21:22 | <&McMartin> | Also, my coding soundtrack has gotten more entertaining now that I've folded the MoO2 soundtrack fully into it |
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| 21:38 | <&jerith> | My coding soundtrack is still mostly AI War music. |
| 21:39 | <&jerith> | Also, I got zero actual work done today. |
| 21:40 | <&jerith> | I had half hour internviews scheduled at 10h30, 12h30, and 14h30. |
| 21:40 | <&Derakon> | I should probably check out the AI War soundtrack, since I own the game. My coding music is getting a little stale lately. |
| 21:40 | <&Derakon> | Jerith: ick. |
| 21:40 | <&jerith> | (Not a tyop. Interviewing interns.) |
| 21:40 | <&jerith> | Add an hour of driving each way to get to the office on a not-office-day and my productivity was shot. |
| 21:41 | <&jerith> | (I had expected and planned for this, but still.) |
| 21:41 | <@gnolam> | I am so glad I can telecommute to most things. |
| 21:42 | <&jerith> | gnolam: I do, four days a week. |
| 21:42 | <&jerith> | And my commute recently doubled. |
| 21:42 | <@gnolam> | (Especially support, since for some reason it's never the customers literally across the street from the office who have problems, it's always people in strange far-off countries) |
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