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| 06:25 | < abudhabi> | That erasing procedure is really thorough. Been going for like 12 hours now, and only 90% done. |
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| 11:56 | < abudhabi> | Debian 7 installation complete! It only took 19 hours! |
| 13:22 | <@TheWatcher> | ...eesh |
| 13:22 | <@TheWatcher> | downloading over a damp noodle? |
| 13:30 | < abudhabi> | TheWatcher: Most of that was erasing the hard drive. |
| 13:30 | < abudhabi> | Not sure if making it encrypted made it take so long. |
| 13:44 | <@TheWatcher> | shouldn't have made much difference, but if you did a full erase on the drive, that can take a long time |
| 13:45 | < abudhabi> | I don't think I explicitly selected full erase, but it might have been that. |
| 13:46 | | * abudhabi hugs http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ |
| 13:48 | <@TheWatcher> | It's missing the entry `127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com facebook.com`~ |
| 13:49 | < abudhabi> | I block facebook trackers with uBlock Origin, and don't go there on my own. |
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| 22:03 | < ErikMesoy> | http://40.media.tumblr.com/a00d5c6104b50d2d1d185d020724cbe4/tumblr_o4qftwLBSc1t4 65too1_500.jpg |
| 22:05 | | * Alek giggles. |
| 22:06 | < crystalclaw> | I saw that |
| 22:07 | < crystalclaw> | That one actually /would/ surprise me if it was real. |
| 22:13 | < ion> | I should probably put together a system to start puzzling out Windows 10 on as much as I've tried avoiding it |
| 22:14 | < ion> | too many people ask me for tech support, kinda wanna keep them coming back in the future I guess |
| 22:15 | < crystalclaw> | My windows 10 install just broke, I'm going to have to wipe it. Again. |
| 22:15 | < ion> | Yeah |
| 22:15 | < ion> | I've heard nothing but bad news about Windows 10 |
| 22:15 | < ion> | aside from like, the built in system variable editor is less of a dumb |
| 22:16 | < ion> | and the SUA Interix got rebooted as Ubuntu |
| 22:17 | < ion> | which are both nifty but not very enticing |
| 22:20 | < crystalclaw> | I'm glad I don't run windows as my main os |
| 22:21 | < crystalclaw> | GAH! First my desktop's power supply fries, so I have to get that RMAed. Now that I have it and it's installed, my macbook won't boot. |
| 22:23 | <@Alek> | I tried win10, but there were driver errors that made me rollback. I'm gonna upgrade again before the summer though. |
| 22:23 | <@Alek> | hafta. |
| 22:25 | < crystalclaw> | I only need windows for two games. TWO GAMES!! |
| 22:25 | < crystalclaw> | It's so frustrating. |
| 22:27 | < abudhabi> | Meanwhile, I've had pretty much no problems at all with Win10. |
| 22:27 | < abudhabi> | Been using it at work for months, no issues. |
| 22:28 | < crystalclaw> | Mine has some sort of hidden firewall I can't turn off that blocks access to all login servers. |
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| 23:22 | < ion> | Most of my machines are old, and a good handful of things I muck with rely on windows, so I'm probably gonna stick with 7 personally |
| 23:22 | < ion> | I have half a mind to mess around with Xen or some kind of hypervisor and run windows from under that, but software is complicated and flukey enough already |
| 23:34 | < crystalclaw> | vmware vsphere is nice if you use windows |
| 23:48 | < ion> | I plan to migrate away from Windows at a point, but *nix seems to demand a greater depth of understanding than I've had |
| 23:48 | < crystalclaw> | It does, yes, but it depends on the distro |
| 23:48 | < crystalclaw> | For instance, arch linux requires wiki pages and several hours to install |
| 23:49 | < crystalclaw> | Linux mint, on the other hand, works pretty much out of the box with very little fiddling. |
| 23:49 | < ion> | I spent about a year or some such on nothing but an ubuntu live CD after a hard disk crash, but that was like, 6.06 or something ancient |
| 23:49 | < crystalclaw> | Don't go ubuntu; it's got the same corporate control problems of mac and windows at this point. |
| 23:49 | < ion> | I'v toyed with things like archbang on and off over the years but my experience is that updates always break things |
| 23:50 | < ion> | Yeah nah I abandoned ubuntu when unity was shoved out |
| 23:50 | < ion> | I've toyed a little bit with irix and solaris as well, but having no deep need for anything provided there it's mostly novelty |
| 23:51 | < ion> | Though I like the way I can hit L1-A on a Sun and get dropped down to a boot prompt |
| 23:51 | < crystalclaw> | I've been running straight-up arch for about 6 months now, and I've not had any problems that I didn't eventually discover were caused by me skipping a step. Updates have yet to break anything, and package managers are inherintly transaction-based, so you can roll back easily. |
| 23:51 | < crystalclaw> | apt-get and pacman, at least |
| 23:52 | < ion> | Hey if you happen to know a resource that gives good info on compiling an Arch install from Windows (specifically 7x64sp1), I'd love to see it |
| 23:52 | < crystalclaw> | Compiling from scratch? That'd be a bit more in depth |
| 23:52 | < ion> | honestly though software gives me headaches and I don't know why I've been faffing with it for as long as I have |
| 23:53 | < crystalclaw> | If you just want to install, here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_guide |
| 23:53 | < ion> | I tried making a flowchart of compiler/toolchain dependancies the other day and it quickly wound up needing layers |
| 23:53 | < crystalclaw> | Once you get all the kinks worked out of arch, it runs pretty smoothly, but don't expect to be doing much else the day you install it |
| 23:54 | < ion> | Yeah, that's kind of why I haven't messed with it in forever |
| 23:54 | < crystalclaw> | Best linux experience I've had so far, but it definitely takes some expertise. |
| 23:54 | < ion> | Spend an entire day doing configurations and reading documents, try to run some update and discover that it breaks things I missed in a document someplace |
| 23:55 | < crystalclaw> | It's farther on the "configurability" end of the configurability-ease of install scale. |
| 23:55 | < crystalclaw> | Lol |
| 23:55 | < crystalclaw> | Sounds about right. I did manage to get it all installed in one go, and I even got SPDIF surround working pretty easily. |
| 23:55 | < crystalclaw> | I went the KDE route for window manager |
| 23:56 | < ion> | Many years ago before I really knew what linux even was besides "not windows", I managed to stumble my way through installing Turbo-linux of some kind on an ancient not-thinkpad |
| 23:57 | < ion> | but it was all CLI so I was lost once all the nice menus went away |
| 23:57 | < crystalclaw> | lol |
| 23:58 | < crystalclaw> | Even though I could make this computer boot into a GUI, I keep it to command-line boot just to impress people. Then I log in and run startx, and everything appears. |
| 23:58 | < ion> | hah |
| 23:59 | < crystalclaw> | Also it's easier to run my backup script if there's less running. |
| 23:59 | < ion> | I use keyboard shortcuts as much as I can |
| 23:59 | < ion> | pisses a number of people off when they block their mouse and I just summon things through the keyboard instead |
| 23:59 | < crystalclaw> | I almost never touch the mouse, although alt-tab is sluggish so I do click for that at the moment. |
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