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| 11:07 | <@TheWatcher> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY3VcpdUkAE9dum.png:large it's funny because it's true. -_- |
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| 15:08 | | * TheWatcher digs in the SMTP RFCs |
| 15:08 | <@TheWatcher> | (kill me now) |
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| 17:00 | <&Derakon> | https://github.com/samshadwell/TrumpScript/blob/master/test/test_files/fizz_buzz .txt |
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| 18:21 | < abudhabi> | Derakon: Hahaha! |
| 18:32 | | * Alek eyes that test file, shudders. |
| 18:32 | <@Alek> | I'll take those millions Trump's losing, thanks. |
| 18:35 | < abudhabi> | Today, I was called old-fashioned for taking photos with a photo camera rather than a phone. |
| 18:36 | <&jeroud> | abudhabi: Did you respond with "actually, I am a photographer using the appropriate tool"? |
| 18:38 | < abudhabi> | No. "Old-fashioned" is a compliment, to me. |
| 18:44 | <&jeroud> | "and yes, that kind of craftsmanship is sadly lacking in the modern world" |
| 18:46 | < abudhabi> | :D |
| 18:47 | <&jeroud> | Especially in my chosen profession, which saddens me. |
| 18:48 | <&jeroud> | And there's no excuse for it, because the tools are vastly better and more easily available than ever before. |
| 18:49 | < abudhabi> | I think it's the same mechanism as the Conservation of Risk. |
| 18:49 | < abudhabi> | People will do the bare minimum to keep levels of quality/dange/whatever acceptable. |
| 18:49 | <&jeroud> | I think part of the reason is that the barrier to entry is so low these days. |
| 18:49 | < abudhabi> | But they won't go over than level of effort even if previous tools necessitated it. |
| 18:50 | <&jeroud> | This is, in general, a good thing. |
| 18:51 | <&jeroud> | But I find myself wading through quite a lot of low quality cruft looking for acceptable software. |
| 18:52 | <&jeroud> | And far too often I end up settling for something that barely works because the alternative is building it myself. |
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| 18:55 | | * jeroud is a bit grumpy at the moment because he's trying to solve problems sufficiently new that there hasn't been time for good solutions to emerge from the mess of hipster crap that always accumulates. |
| 18:55 | <@Tamber> | So... which javascript framework are you using today~? |
| 18:56 | <@Tamber> | (And which new one will you be using tomorrow?) |
| 18:59 | <&jeroud> | Tamber: Worse. Docker persistence. |
| 18:59 | | * Tamber commiserates with jeroud. |
| 19:00 | <&jeroud> | The only thing that existed as of last week to do what I need is written in Go, is installed using the Go dev tools, and is documented entirely in a YouTube video. |
| 19:00 | <@Tamber> | ... *wince* |
| 19:01 | <&jeroud> | So a colleague wrote a better one on Friday afternoon. |
| 19:01 | <@Tamber> | Hopefully documented correctly. :) |
| 19:02 | <&jeroud> | Not documented yet. |
| 19:02 | <&jeroud> | Not actually finished yet, because it still makes some unwarranted assumptions. |
| 19:02 | <@Tamber> | So... hipster-release ready? |
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| 19:06 | <&jeroud> | It's nowhere near production ready. |
| 19:07 | <&jeroud> | (Except for us, I suppose, because we're intimately familiar with it and the tools it uses.) |
| 19:09 | <&jeroud> | But we wouldn't advertise it as a thing people should use. |
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| 20:46 | < [R]> | TheWatcher: A friend of mine (who reads RFCs as a hobby) noted that it's impossible to implement SMTP as per the RFC due to it contradicting itself at a certain point. |
| 20:47 | <@TheWatcher> | See also: Ricardo Signes' Email Hates The Living Talk |
| 20:47 | <@TheWatcher> | ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JENdgiAPD6c ) |
| 20:48 | | * jerith puts that on while he eats supper. |
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| 21:21 | < abudhabi> | Stained glass? |
| 21:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Clearly. |
| 21:37 | <&McMartin> | ... this lambda has eleven captures. |
| 21:37 | <&McMartin> | Perhaps it is time to define a new value class. |
| 21:40 | <@TheWatcher> | Only 11? You're good for another half dozen!~ |
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| 22:20 | <@celticminstrel> | Depends whether the captures are related. |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | They're related to the process in question, and used nowhere else. The values themselves are somewhat eclectic other than the unifying feature that they are required for that process. |
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| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | "RFC 1341: A Tragedy in Multiple Parts" |
| 23:07 | <@celticminstrel> | ? |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | MIME~ |
| 23:08 | | * McMartin is running the talk linked earlier re; email hating the living |
| 23:08 | <&jerith> | It's a pretty good talk. |
| 23:44 | <@TheWatcher> | If anything I think he is a bit understated >.> |
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| 23:44 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 23:45 | | * McMartin finished listening |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | Not bad |
| 23:50 | <&jerith> | He *did* run out of time for all the horribleness. |
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