| --- Log opened Fri Dec 11 00:00:44 2015 |
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| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | Oh hey, Rust 1.5 has come out |
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| 03:36 | <~Vornicus> | Thing I found myself wondering the other day |
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| 03:36 | <~Vornicus> | What percentage of stuff in the working set of various applications is pointers or array indexes? |
| 03:38 | <&Derakon> | Approximately 99.8%~ |
| 03:39 | <~Vornicus> | yeah I do imagine it's probably quite high |
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| 04:01 | <~Vornicus> | and then I ask over in #love and the primary maintainer of love2d goes "generally not a whole lot" |
| 04:02 | <&Derakon> | Well I mean, it really depends. |
| 04:02 | <~Vornicus> | "most memory is taken by media (sounds, images...)" |
| 04:02 | <&Derakon> | Our program at work puts image data into RAM, and that can be a solid 10MB of pure data. |
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| 04:10 | <~Vornicus> | looking at xchat right now, uh... hm. 8.6 meg ram usage. i figure the total video usage in my case is something like 5 megabytes |
| 04:11 | <&Derakon> | "Video usage" in xchat? |
| 04:11 | <&Derakon> | The real question is how much backscroll you have in your windows. |
| 04:11 | <~Vornicus> | Video usage: it has to draw its own window. |
| 04:11 | <&Derakon> | Yyyes, but I would assume that's procedurally generated each frame. |
| 04:12 | <&Derakon> | The data content of the window must be stored in RAM somewhere, but not the actual pixel colors. |
| 04:18 | <&McMartin> | It's probably cheaper to fill a framebuffer and leave it, tbh. |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | Yes, but X-Chat is probably not written with an eye towards maximal efficiency. |
| 04:18 | <&McMartin> | It wouldn't be their doing; it would be their widget library's. |
| 04:19 | <&Derakon> | Mm, there is that. |
| 04:19 | <&McMartin> | Like, if the stock textedit control does this so it can be composited more easily, that's all she wrote |
| 04:20 | <&McMartin> | (Or if, like Qt4, it actually doesn't bother with any control that isn't secretly just a Canvas) |
| 04:20 | <&McMartin> | (I think Swing might do that too) |
| 04:20 | <&Derakon> | Yep. Every Component has a paint() method. |
| 04:23 | <~Vornicus> | hexchat here takes about, oh, a third of a second to repaint when I switch channels |
| 04:23 | <~Vornicus> | does it progressively, top down |
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| 04:34 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: that Facebook login thing was real. |
| 04:40 | <~Vornicus> | wat |
| 04:41 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: Someone sent me http://www.marco.org/2010/02/11/facebook-wants-to-be-your-one-true-login back when it was first posted. I followed the link, and I can vouch that the comments (now removed) were full of irate Facebook users ranting about how the new layout sucked and that they couldn't log in. |
| 04:42 | <&McMartin> | The claim was stronger than that |
| 04:42 | <&McMartin> | "I mean, we are talking about a website where tens of thousands of users misidentified a blog post about Facebook as the Facebook login page and posted their account name and password as comments on the blog (along with complaints that they don't like the new design) because it was the top Google result for "facebook login"." |
| 04:43 | <@gnolam> | IIRC, they started removing those comments fairly quickly. |
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| 05:08 | <&Derakon> | Oh geeze, I remember that. |
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| 23:23 | <&McMartin> | Ludum Dare this weekend |
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