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| 00:42 | <@Reiv> | Remind me on trivial math |
| 00:43 | <@Reiv> | 2/3 * 3/4 = ? |
| 00:45 | < [R]> | IIRC it's the same as (2 * 3)/(3 * 4) |
| 00:45 | < [R]> | Yeah, a/b * c/d == (a * c)/(b * d) |
| 00:46 | < [R]> | That one specifically is 2/4 or 1/2 |
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| 09:28 | < Emmy> | Aaaaargh |
| 09:28 | < Emmy> | VBA focus rules are WHACK |
| 10:30 | < Emmy> | (implying the rest of vba isn't, lol) |
| 10:31 | | * TheWatcher nocomments. |
| 10:35 | | * Emmy nodcomments |
| 10:43 | < abudhabi> | What's wrong with Visual Boy Advance? |
| 10:47 | < Emmy> | Visual Basic for Applications. :P |
| 11:13 | < Emmy> | And as for the answer to what is wrong with that? It's made by microsoft |
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| 11:15 | | * emmy grrrs at the wifi |
| 11:25 | < emmy> | Hmmmmh |
| 11:25 | < emmy> | Say |
| 11:26 | < emmy> | does microsoft provide (free?) courses for their own products? |
| 11:27 | < emmy> | 'cause my current course... Well, lets just say the author and i don't agree. :P |
| 11:27 | < emmy> | he tends to do things rather improper. |
| 11:28 | < emmy> | I keep having to look on the msdn site, and then find out that the way he does things is NOT the recommended manner. :P |
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| 16:06 | < Meatyhandbag> | question. If I make a 2D Array that's 2 by 10, will the array.length equal 10 or 20? |
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| 16:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | Meatyhandbag: in what language? But depending on how you order the dimensions, typically 2 or 10 |
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| 16:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | >>> a = [[x for x in range(10)] for y in range(2)] |
| 16:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | >>> len(a) |
| 16:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | 2 |
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| 16:23 | < Meatyhandbag> | ToxicFrog: Javascript |
| 16:27 | < Meatyhandbag> | I'm trying to make a 2 layer slideshow that shows content from two different years. So, go into year 1, you can click through a list of content from that year, and then slide into year 2 to do the same. |
| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Open the console, try it and see? |
| 16:29 | < Meatyhandbag> | how do I open the console on a windows 8.1? |
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| 16:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm assuming you're doing JS because you want to do a thing in the browser. Open the browser's debugging tools. |
| 16:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | In Chrome that's ctrl-shift-C |
| 16:34 | < Meatyhandbag> | would still be useful to actually know how to open the console up in windows |
| 16:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | On pre-win8 it's start->run, cmd.exe or (I think) start->run, powershell depending on whether you want the legacy shell or powershell |
| 16:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | I assume it's similar on win8 |
| 16:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | But I just use bash, and none of those are relevant to JS work anyways |
| 16:39 | < Meatyhandbag> | wait, I did some googling and I'm hearing that you can't make a 2D array in javascript? |
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| 17:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Meatyhandbag: where are you getting this? |
| 17:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | a = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]] |
| 17:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | [Array[3], Array[3]] |
| 17:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | a[1][0] |
| 17:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | 4 |
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| 18:59 | < Meatyhandbag> | http://jsfiddle.net/u3es1ehs/1/ << ToxicFrog can you look this over and tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 19:08 | | * abudhabi sets up a samba. |
| 19:08 | < Meatyhandbag> | a what? |
| 19:09 | < abudhabi> | A shared network drive. |
| 19:09 | < abudhabi> | Meatyhandbag: What are you trying to do there? |
| 19:10 | < Meatyhandbag> | make a 2 layer slideshow. Where it'll show the list of testimonials by their respective year |
| 19:12 | < abudhabi> | Meatyhandbag: Table columns go inside table rows, not the other way around, IIRC. |
| 19:12 | < Meatyhandbag> | oops |
| 19:19 | < abudhabi> | You appear to have misspelled the on-click invocations of your functions. |
| 19:19 | < abudhabi> | The functions are uniformly SRC but some of your names in the HTML start with SCR. |
| 19:21 | < Meatyhandbag> | I don't follow |
| 19:22 | < abudhabi> | srcYearL is not the same os scrYearL. |
| 19:22 | < abudhabi> | According to my console, the buttons do try to execute the functions, but find that they are not defined. |
| 19:23 | < Meatyhandbag> | how're they not defined? |
| 19:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | Because, as just stated, srcYearL is not the same as scrYearL. If you name your function one and try to call the other, that is what will happen. |
| 19:24 | < Meatyhandbag> | I don't understand. how can two things spelled the same way not by the smae? |
| 19:26 | <&McMartin> | Look more closely at the second and third letters. |
| 19:26 | < abudhabi> | Also, you made a few syntax errors. |
| 19:26 | < abudhabi> | The console in the browser is really helpful. |
| 19:26 | < Meatyhandbag> | OOOH! :P my bad, thanks McMartin |
| 19:26 | < abudhabi> | RClick anywhere, pick Inspect element, find the Console. |
| 19:28 | < abudhabi> | I'm not quite sure JS supports multidimensional arrays out of the box. |
| 19:29 | < abudhabi> | At least not the way you're trying to initialize them. |
| 19:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | With [][]? Yeah, no |
| 19:33 | < Meatyhandbag> | Yeah, I fixed it to be [[]] |
| 19:33 | < abudhabi> | [[],[]] seems to be the way here. |
| 19:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah. A 2d array is an array of arrays. |
| 19:34 | < abudhabi> | http://jsfiddle.net/8eq25ggj/ <- Here's a marginally more functioning fork. |
| 19:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | The general case is initialize to [] and then create the subarrays with a for loop, AIUI, since js doesn't support fill() or __index |
| 19:34 | < Meatyhandbag> | so, should I do p[0,0] then? |
| 19:34 | < abudhabi> | No. |
| 19:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | No, why? |
| 19:34 | < abudhabi> | The access is fine. |
| 19:36 | < Meatyhandbag> | ToxicFrog: why'd you add ; to the end of the function's {}? |
| 19:36 | < Meatyhandbag> | er, abudhabi I meant, not ToxicFrog |
| 19:36 | < abudhabi> | Because I'm pedantic. |
| 19:37 | < Meatyhandbag> | ok, thought there was a syntax issue |
| 19:37 | < abudhabi> | Something is wrong with the functions, because the clickybuttons don't recognize them as defined. |
| 19:42 | < abudhabi> | Yeah, you have race issues here. |
| 19:43 | < Meatyhandbag> | race? |
| 19:43 | <&McMartin> | Data race |
| 19:43 | < abudhabi> | http://jsfiddle.net/koz0jwh9/ <- Changed the javascript settings to include the script in the head, rather than a onload wrapper. |
| 19:43 | < abudhabi> | Now it sort of works, even. |
| 19:43 | <&McMartin> | The clickybuttons are probably trying to refer to the functions before the scripts that define the functions have run |
| 19:43 | < abudhabi> | Yes. |
| 19:44 | < abudhabi> | I *think* this code would run outside of a fiddle. |
| 19:45 | < abudhabi> | Meatyhandbag: I invite you to consider learning jQuery. Using pure JS is like pulling teeth. |
| 19:45 | < abudhabi> | Also, please don't pollute global space. |
| 19:45 | < Meatyhandbag> | abudhabi: I don't see what you changed |
| 19:45 | < Meatyhandbag> | what do you mean Global Space? |
| 19:46 | < abudhabi> | You see the JAVASCRIPT button in the upper right of the script space with the cog next to it? |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | If you're just putting some simple dynamic behavior into a web page, namespace pollution seems like a trivial issue |
| 19:47 | < abudhabi> | Global space is, well, where you appear to be putting your variables. Rather than all in functions. |
| 19:48 | < abudhabi> | It becomes a bigger problem when you add lots of scripts. |
| 19:48 | <&McMartin> | Ah, this is the issue with variables being global by default |
| 19:48 | <&McMartin> | Right |
| 19:48 | < Meatyhandbag> | abudhabi: there's still an issue it seems. as it refuses to actually scroll through the array, but rather just flips back and forth between the same two ones |
| 19:49 | < abudhabi> | Meatyhandbag: Well, that's a programming logic problem, not a syntax problem! |
| 19:49 | <&McMartin> | (As opposed to "all your JS code you're writing should only ever add one symbol total to the js namespace", which is good advice, but it's good advice the way "you should have an ObjectFactory doing this" is good advice in Java) |
| 19:51 | < abudhabi> | McMartin: Personally, I just slap a $(document).ready(function() {}); around them and call it a day. |
| 19:51 | <&McMartin> | The variables like x here would normally be encapsulated with various closure tricks, but if you're still learning the basics then "Oh yes, JS's function semantics are basically identical to Lisp's, so you can use nested function definitions and upvalues to add both objects and private variables to the language, which you should both do and use" is unlikely to be super-helpful. |
| 19:52 | <&McMartin> | Hm. That will export nothing, right? Usually you want to export a module name so stuff can get in and use it, right? |
| 19:53 | < abudhabi> | If you're exporting a module. |
| 19:53 | < abudhabi> | I've found utility in that like once. |
| 19:53 | < abudhabi> | Meatyhandbag: Look at your Test functions. You appear to have copy-pasted from the Year functions, and they cycle exactly like your Year functions. |
| 19:54 | < abudhabi> | Meatyhandbag: Instead of cycling through the available space, they cycle through 0 and 1. |
| 19:54 | < Meatyhandbag> | oops |
| 19:55 | < abudhabi> | Meatyhandbag: Since your array is asymmetrical, you also can't use just one value. You need to detect whether 16 or 10 is the limit, and also modify x when you change y to make sure they don't point into unallocated space. |
| 19:57 | < Meatyhandbag> | I do change x when I change y, but I don't know how to detect the length of individual rows |
| 19:58 | < abudhabi> | You can hard-code it. if (y == 0 && x > 10) x = 0; if (y == 1 && x > 16) x = 0; etc, etc. |
| 19:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | p[n].length |
| 19:59 | < abudhabi> | Oh, yeah, that's a good idea. |
| 20:00 | < abudhabi> | You could also check if whatever the values point is undefined (I think, but JS's truthiness, falsiness and undefinedness are :gonk:) and reset to a known proper pointer. |
| 20:01 | < Meatyhandbag> | how does p[n].length work? Do I just replace n with the variable that defines row choice? |
| 20:01 | < Meatyhandbag> | so p[y].length? |
| 20:02 | < abudhabi> | That should work, I think. |
| 20:06 | < Meatyhandbag> | OK! Great! Got it all finished up |
| 20:07 | < Meatyhandbag> | How just to add some CSS to hold it all together! thanks everyone |
| 20:08 | < abudhabi> | Happy to help. |
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| 21:13 | < abudhabi> | [R]: TightVNC is working great for me with Remmina. |
| 21:14 | < [R]> | Excellent to hear. |
| 21:14 | < abudhabi> | I think the default client, which I've also tried, was horribly slow. |
| 21:15 | < [R]> | <Meatyhandbag> would still be useful to actually know how to open the console up in windows <-- Win95+ Windows-Key+R; cmd (command if 95, 98 or ME) |
| 21:15 | < abudhabi> | Not that console! |
| 21:15 | < abudhabi> | The browser console. |
| 21:15 | <&McMartin> | Developer menu in Firefox and Chrome has the option |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | Though Firefox changes where that is every two weeks, etc |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | But that's no different from Linux |
| 21:17 | < [R]> | abudhabi: he meant that one. I read the context :p |
| 21:17 | < abudhabi> | Really? |
| 21:18 | < abudhabi> | Huh. |
| 21:18 | < [R]> | Yeah, he misunderstood the instruction to open the web-dev console. Assumed he needed the Windows terminal thing instead. Got instructions to open the webdev one in Chrome, then asked specifically for the Windows one for additional, unrelated, information. |
| 21:19 | < [R]> | Also IIRC F12 is the standard to open the webdev console in both FF (Firebug) and Chrome. |
| 21:21 | < Meatyhandbag> | [R]: I use 8.1 |
| 21:22 | < [R]> | Meatyhandbag: That's came after Win95, and thus is Win95+. |
| 21:22 | < Meatyhandbag> | thanks |
| 21:26 | < [R]> | <abudhabi> You could also check if whatever the values point is undefined (I think, but JS's truthiness, falsiness and undefinedness are :gonk:) and reset to a known proper pointer. <-- yeah... it's best to just use typeof to check for undefined. |
| 21:37 | <&McMartin> | wat.mov |
| 21:37 | <&McMartin> | If you haven't seen wat.mov |
| 21:37 | <&McMartin> | https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat |
| 21:37 | <&McMartin> | It is relevant to the :gonk:ery |
| 21:38 | < abudhabi> | It's good. |
| 21:38 | < abudhabi> | Is it actually a mov? |
| 21:39 | <@Tamber> | No, it's an .rm |
| 21:39 | <@Tamber> | :p |
| 21:39 | <&McMartin> | The "download" link at the bottom says .mov at the end |
| 21:39 | <&McMartin> | I haven't tried downloading it and running file on it to parse its internal metadata |
| 21:41 | <&McMartin> | "This is not a wat, this is part of how awesome Ruby is, but if you actually *do* this..." |
| 21:47 | < abudhabi> | WAT |
| 21:47 | < abudhabi> | Hm. You store images in a database in a blob type, yes? |
| 21:48 | < [R]> | If you must, BLOB is the type you need. |
| 21:49 | < [R]> | Otherwise you'll have to HEX or Base64 encode it and store it in TEXT/VARCHAR |
| 21:50 | < [R]> | But that's even worse than the idea of storing files in SQL in the first place |
| 21:51 | < abudhabi> | What's wrong with the idea? |
| 21:51 | <&McMartin> | My initial snarky answer is "I think the most popular indexed database for file-size blobs is called a 'filesystem'" but I admit to total ignorance in this domain. |
| 21:52 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, if I were designing something that had to keep such things straight, I would probably use some kind of content-addressable file scheme and store relative paths in the relational database proper. |
| 21:53 | < abudhabi> | OK. I'll design it such a way that I can relatively easily change approach to images later. |
| 21:54 | <&McMartin> | I hasten to add that you should not rely on my opinion here |
| 21:56 | < [R]> | abudhabi: it's the worse solution of possible solutions to multiple problems. Ultimately if you're at the point you're ignoring solutions that don't induce other problems. Problems it can cause: DB is bottlenecking on disk i/o or network i/o because it's having to process huge unstructured (in its eyes) blobs of data. DB is needing to be partitioned/sharded despite having a low row count. DB replication is failing. DB is running out of diskspace. etc... |
| 21:57 | < abudhabi> | Right. |
| 21:57 | < [R]> | If the DB is purpose oriented for the file storage, it might not be that bad. But if you're using it for other stuff too... |
| 21:57 | < [R]> | Basically it's a recipie to aggrevate issues the DB wouldn't be having for its use otherwise. |
| 21:58 | < abudhabi> | OK. |
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