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| 10:50 | <&jerith> | McMartin: "and thus isolate what had the software trigger was" in https://bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com/2015/04/19/variable-screen-placement-the-v ic-iis-forbidden-technique/ |
| 11:16 | <&McMartin> | Noted, thanks |
| 11:16 | <&McMartin> | A lot of these are written in caffeine-fueled benders where I'm only half-sane, as you might expet |
| 11:16 | <&McMartin> | expect |
| 11:16 | <&McMartin> | Also, some of the earliest articles are flat wrong. I should probably go write some edits on the earliest content. |
| 11:17 | <&McMartin> | (Particularly Color Chart Madness, which kicked this whole mad quest off) |
| 11:17 | <&McMartin> | (I didn't know about badlines yet, and that was important) |
| 11:18 | <&McMartin> | (Also, way too many articles end with "if you want to do X, you're kind of screwed" and then two articles later I'm doing exactly that thing) |
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| 12:38 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: I would personally just add a note near the top: "this was written as a part of My Incredible Journey, and [link to $sunset in $newarticle]" or somesuch |
| 12:39 | <@froztbyte> | so that someone who /does/ do a similar approach to yours maybe sees it, and finds the right thing |
| 12:39 | <&Reiver> | Dear Ubuntu: When I tell an application on my taskbar to Quit because it has frozn, it'd be nice if it actually quit |
| 12:39 | <&Reiver> | It'd be nicer still if it had a force-quit button |
| 12:40 | <&Reiver> | But apparently I have to go to Terminal and find its thread ID or some such bollocks to do that? |
| 12:41 | | * Reiver will just reboot the fuckin' computer instead. |
| 12:42 | <@froztbyte> | Reiver: there used to be a process manager type of application which would pull all of that info together for you |
| 12:42 | <@froztbyte> | it's been a fair while since I used ubuntu/unity so I don't know if they removed that |
| 12:43 | <@froztbyte> | looks like they might not ship it by default now; it's called Gnome System Monitor |
| 12:43 | <@froztbyte> | you should be able to install it from the software center |
| 12:44 | <@froztbyte> | not ideal but better than breaking out the terminal if you're not a terminal person :) |
| 12:44 | < [R]> | <Reiver> Dear Ubuntu: When I tell an application on my taskbar to Quit because it has frozn, it'd be nice if it actually quit <-- wmii has "delete", "fullscreen" and "kill" |
| 12:45 | < [R]> | <Reiver> But apparently I have to go to Terminal and find its thread ID or some such bollocks to do that? <-- xkill is your friend. (It's point and click) |
| 12:46 | < [R]> | Fair warning with xkill though: it's point and click. |
| 12:48 | <&Reiver> | [R]: Where do I find xkill |
| 12:49 | < [R]> | It's not part of the base xorg stuff? |
| 12:49 | <&Reiver> | so does xkill actually shut the program down properly? |
| 12:49 | <&Reiver> | I dunno, I've got ubuntu and, uh, something as my GUI |
| 12:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Reiver: at this point, I'm really wondering why you're not just running windows >.> |
| 12:50 | < [R]> | xkill makes the server kill the connection to the client, for most programs that makes it do a clean shutdown. |
| 12:50 | <&Reiver> | TheWatcher: I do on my other machine~ |
| 12:50 | <&Reiver> | And it's not /bad/ using Linux |
| 12:50 | <&Reiver> | But c'mon, Ubuntu is meant to be the user-friendly edition |
| 12:51 | <&Reiver> | Anyhoo, where do I find a thingy to murder my KSP~ |
| 12:51 | < [R]> | Cleaner than kill is at least. |
| 12:51 | < [R]> | Alt+F2 (run dialog) -> xkill? |
| 12:51 | < [R]> | Or do you litterally not have xkill at all? |
| 12:53 | < [R]> | Also killall is nice when you only know the name of the process. Unless you have only one of multiple processes by that name to kill |
| 12:55 | < [R]> | Also manditory reminder: killall in Linux is vastly different from killall elsewhere. Notably one Unix (Solaris IIRC) killall starts a shutdown. |
| 12:55 | | * Reiver laughs his ass off |
| 12:55 | <&Reiver> | OK, I think I like xkill |
| 12:55 | < [R]> | Handy isn't it? |
| 12:55 | <&Reiver> | But you weren't kidding about the point-and-click were you... |
| 12:55 | < [R]> | :p |
| 12:55 | <&Reiver> | PROTIP: Bring the software up on screen *before* starting the software |
| 12:56 | < [R]> | ? |
| 12:56 | < [R]> | Oh, so you get the "use button 1" message? |
| 12:56 | <&Reiver> | It does not comprehend items as nuanced as 'application button on the task bar' as distinct from 'the task bar, and Linux itself'~ |
| 12:56 | | * [R] was trying to not have you open a terminal as you seemed to abhor that idea. |
| 12:57 | < [R]> | Ah... yeah. |
| 12:57 | <&Reiver> | (I don't really, but it's kind of the Principle Of The Thing: I'm partly testing this thing as a "Would I let my mother use it". If you have to go to terminal, you're in Wizard Mode.) |
| 13:01 | | * [R] is mildly curious what happens if you hit the window dressings with xkill, but doesn't want to test ATM |
| 13:02 | < [R]> | Oh, I have Xephyr, so I can test it :) |
| 13:03 | < [R]> | Yeah, it works in a sane way, it kills the program making the window, not the WM. |
| 13:08 | <&Reiver> | If you click the taskbar, it shuts down Linux~ |
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| 13:11 | < [R]> | Not quite... |
| 13:12 | < [R]> | Your DM is setup so it launches your DE (which isn't a specific program), that includes your desktop (wallpaper and such), WM and taskbar (which can be its own program or part of one of the prior). |
| 13:14 | < [R]> | Now when the taskbar was killed, it was probably the process X was told was important, if it wasn't the process that X was told was important noticed the taskbar dying and decided to join in. Once X's important process is gone, X will terminate as well. |
| 13:14 | < [R]> | Linux is still running at that point. What actually died was X. |
| 13:14 | < [R]> | Restarting the DM would get you the GUI back. |
| 13:15 | < [R]> | Now if your OS was setup to reboot when X dies... well that's a different matter. |
| 13:15 | < [R]> | You probably don't care about any of that though. |
| 13:17 | | * [R] isn't fully sure what DMs are used for. He knows they give you a GUI login screen, but that's it. |
| 13:17 | < [R]> | Display Manager implies... something other than "I make a login screen show up" |
| 13:24 | | * [R] also doesn't use one |
| 13:27 | < [R]> | Hmm, that was weird, used xkill to kill wallpaperd in the Xephyr, but it killed the main one instead, keeping the Xephyr one. |
| 13:30 | <&Reiver> | Interesting. |
| 13:31 | <&Reiver> | night! |
| 13:31 | < [R]> | Night |
| 13:31 | <&Reiver> | Thanks for xkill. Once I know how to use it properly, Annoyance #3 will be stricken from the list~ |
| 13:32 | < [R]> | When you wake, let me know of the other annoyances, I can probably help |
| 13:32 | <&jerith> | Reiver: I consider Wizard Mode to be where all the useful stuff happens.~ |
| 13:33 | | * [R] usually has at least 6 terminals open yeah |
| 13:33 | < [R]> | urxvt FTW |
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| 22:58 | <&McMartin> | https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/655306196128280576 |
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