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| 08:36 | < abudhabi> | Can someone explain JS prototypes to me? |
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| 08:41 | <&McMartin> | Like, prototypal inheritance generally or how you work with them in JS in particular? |
| 08:42 | < abudhabi> | First in general, then in specific? I've been looking at JS stuff only, so that's maybe where my error lies, trying to understand the specific without the general. |
| 08:42 | <&McMartin> | OK. The general case is that they're a kind of inheritance/OO that doesn't involve classes. Objects, instead of being instances of a class, have some other object that is their "prototype" |
| 08:42 | < abudhabi> | OK. |
| 08:43 | <&McMartin> | If you don't define a field or method, it checks the prototype to see if it does, and so on up that object's prototype until you hit an object with no prototype at all |
| 08:43 | <&McMartin> | (Since prototypes are, as noted, objects themselves) |
| 08:43 | <&McMartin> | This is how JS inheritance works, but JS is kind of embarassed about it and so it went to great length to pretend it had classes. |
| 08:44 | < abudhabi> | This implies that there is some basic object that serves as the master prototype, right? |
| 08:44 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, though there's no reason that can't be effectively NULL |
| 08:44 | <&McMartin> | (or, you know, an object that doesn't define anything) |
| 08:44 | < abudhabi> | OK. |
| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | Sidebar: The two other languages I know of that use prototypal inheritance are Self (which basically invented it) and the scripting language/object/event system in YoYo Games's GameMaker engine. |
| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, some vaguely recent revision of JS actually added a Create method to the master object that does "construct a new object with me as its prototype" |
| 08:46 | < abudhabi> | How does JS's pretension of classfulness work? I saw it uses a syntax very similar to C++/Java. |
| 08:46 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. The syntax is similar, and the semantics are wildly different and disastrously misleading. |
| 08:46 | <&McMartin> | I do not have the experience to summarize that easily. |
| 08:46 | <&McMartin> | But ISTR it involves taking an object designed to be used as a prototype for others and then defining methods on it |
| 08:47 | <&McMartin> | This interacts with the new operator in funky ways that backfire horribly if used wrong, but the details are somewhat lost to me. There's an intended protocol. |
| 08:47 | <&McMartin> | You can also deliberately abuse it to implement that Object.create method I mentioned earlier. |
| 08:47 | <&McMartin> | I know that the book "JavaScript: The Good Parts" tells you how to do that, but I don't recall if it goes into how to do the pseudo-class-based stuff. |
| 08:48 | <&McMartin> | And I don't have it immediately handy to check, I'm afraid. |
| 08:48 | < abudhabi> | Right. Next question: why? Why does JS use prototypal inheritance? What's the benefit? |
| 08:48 | <&McMartin> | There are people in this channel better at JS than I, though, so perhaps they will know |
| 08:48 | <&McMartin> | From a purely formal standpoint: "Why not? Prototypal inheritance is fine." |
| 08:49 | <&McMartin> | From a cynical standpoint: "Why the Hell does JS do *anything*" |
| 08:49 | <&McMartin> | My guess as to why they did it then: Either someone liked Self, or it was super-easy to implement and the Netscape developers were under preposterous time pressure |
| 08:50 | <&McMartin> | (Either form of inheritance can fake the other, sort of; |
| 08:50 | <&McMartin> | "Prototype" is a design pattern in class-based languages specifically for the cases where you want it) |
| 08:50 | <&McMartin> | Come to think of it, Unity's notion of prefab objects is also roughly equivalent to prefab objects |
| 08:51 | < abudhabi> | Is meddling with prototypes substantially something that comes up in usual use of JS? |
| 08:51 | <&McMartin> | Usually you do not |
| 08:51 | < abudhabi> | I've been using JS for a while, and never even heard of prototypes until recently. |
| 08:51 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. Like I said, it was "embarassed about them" |
| 08:51 | <&McMartin> | As a language geek, I think it should be proud~ |
| 08:51 | < abudhabi> | I haven't heard JS has classes even. :V |
| 08:51 | <&McMartin> | Technically it doesn't! |
| 08:51 | <&McMartin> | (I think maybe ECMAScript 6 does0 |
| 08:51 | <&McMartin> | ) |
| 08:52 | <&McMartin> | (I don't follow it that closely; I have my hands full tracking C++'s evolution) |
| 08:52 | < abudhabi> | Right. Thanks. I don't suppose you could also explain how 'this' works in JS? Because it's hella confusing. |
| 08:52 | <&McMartin> | It sure is. |
| 08:52 | <&McMartin> | That's part of the disastrously wonky faking of having classes |
| 08:53 | <&McMartin> | For this I can only say "use a reference. That's one of the parts of JS: The Good Parts where the author isn't FUCKING INSANE" |
| 08:53 | <&McMartin> | But be warned; despite inventing JSON, the author is in fact barking mad |
| 08:53 | <&McMartin> | He spends pages ranting about unforgivable design flaws in JS like the inability to name your variables "if" or "for" |
| 08:53 | <&McMartin> | Or that + works on strings |
| 08:56 | < abudhabi> | I thought that being able to redefine 'undefined' was insane. Nevermind actual keywords. |
| 08:58 | < abudhabi> | (Why isn't undefined a keyword?) |
| 08:59 | <&McMartin> | Because JS's design was rushed and thus makes bad decisions |
| 08:59 | < abudhabi> | But aren't they on the sixth iteration or so? |
| 08:59 | <&McMartin> | Yes. But they locked themselves into backcompat |
| 09:00 | <&McMartin> | This is why all the attempts to replace it have basically failed |
| 09:00 | < abudhabi> | Who redefines undefined in their production code? |
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| 09:02 | <&McMartin> | Who indeed. |
| 09:02 | <&McMartin> | But this wouldn't be redefining keyworkdss |
| 09:02 | <&McMartin> | The syntax means you can distinguish the command from variables, always |
| 09:03 | <&McMartin> | That's his complaint, but really, being easy to parse is a benefit, imo |
| 09:04 | | * abudhabi grabs the book. |
| 09:05 | < abudhabi> | Lessee. He lists having "Reserved Words" under "Awful Parts" but "==" is just one of the "Bad Parts". |
| 09:06 | <&McMartin> | IIRC "Awful Parts" are things he hate that cannot be avoided, and "Bad Parts" are things he hates that you can just not use ever |
| 09:07 | <&McMartin> | And indeed, "don't use == ever" is a pretty solid suggestion |
| 09:07 | < abudhabi> | OK. |
| 09:07 | <&McMartin> | === is what == should be, basically |
| 09:07 | < abudhabi> | Wait, how can you not not use Semicolon Insertion? |
| 09:08 | <&McMartin> | By always placing semicolons |
| 09:09 | <&McMartin> | And never putting newlines in places that would result in semicolon insertion |
| 09:09 | < abudhabi> | You can also not name your variables ಠ_ಠif you don't want to. |
| 09:10 | < abudhabi> | I think the Awful section contains some stuff you can simply never use, too. |
| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | As noted: barking mad |
| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | The section on functions is pretty good, with a single caveat |
| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | JS steals its function semantics almost entirely from Lisp and its children |
| 09:11 | <&McMartin> | Some of the places this backfires are what happens when you mix this with assignable variables and function scope for all variables. |
| 09:11 | <&McMartin> | But it turns out even scheme has those caveats when you code that way |
| 09:11 | < catadroid> | THERE ARE NO DEPENDENCIES HERE HOW DOES ANYTHING BUILD |
| 09:11 | < abudhabi> | catadroid: Magic. |
| 09:11 | <&McMartin> | I treat the Lisps as the gold standard here, so I'm actually incredibly suspicious of the JS wrappers like CoffeeScript that alter function/lambda semantics |
| 09:11 | <&McMartin> | Cmake -_- |
| 09:12 | < catadroid> | Sadly it has built mostly from luck. |
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| 09:38 | <@TheWatcher> | cmake: still not as bugfuck insane as autotools |
| 09:41 | <&McMartin> | I can't disagree |
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| 13:25 | < catadroid> | on the plus side I just fixed am issue with dependencies in our resources that'll save minutes of compilation time for small changes |
| 13:25 | < catadroid> | so that's cool |
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| 14:18 | <@celticminstrel> | Lua also uses prototypal inheritance by the way. (Or at least makes it easy to get the same effect.) |
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| --- Log opened Thu Sep 24 14:18:41 2015 |
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| 15:29 | < abudhabi> | How do I do the equivalent of wget from Perl? |
| 15:35 | <@Wizard> | $var = `wget`; |
| 15:35 | | * Wizard ducks |
| 15:35 | | * abudhabi turns Wizard into a duck. |
| 15:51 | | * abudhabi pokes TheWatcher. What is the Perl equivalent of PHP's md5(string)? |
| 15:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: there's like a dozen different modules for it, off the top of my head perl::HTTP, perl::Net::HTTP, perl::WWW::Curl, and perl::WWW:Mechanize |
| 15:52 | < abudhabi> | ToxicFrog: Any of them especially easy to use if I want to grab and save images from the webs? |
| 15:53 | < abudhabi> | (I don't want to do anything with them, just save them.) |
| 15:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | No idea, I haven't perled in over a decade |
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| 16:08 | | * abudhabi uses Wizard's suggestion, in the end. |
| 16:14 | | * Wizard spins around in char while waiting for third party to give permission to run two commands |
| 16:15 | <@Wizard> | s/char/chair/ |
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| 16:30 | < abudhabi> | Hum. |
| 16:30 | < abudhabi> | How do I make sure that I get the same hash as in PHP? |
| 16:30 | < abudhabi> | md5_hex and http://www.md5.cz/ are giving me different answers. |
| 16:31 | < abudhabi> | Ah, I think I see the issue. |
| 16:33 | < abudhabi> | Success! |
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| 22:41 | <&jeroud> | McMartin: Tyop: "every time the FLD interrupt *files*" |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | Whoops |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | spellcheck :argh: |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | Spellchecking these posts is awful as it is because it flips out over code, half the hex numbers, and every single term of art |
| 22:46 | <&jeroud> | I must thank you for the mental image of the FLD interrupt standing in line at the courthouse with a stack of paperwork. Over and over again. |
| 22:46 | <@celticminstrel> | You could add some of the terms to your personal dictionaries. |
| 22:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Uh. Why is that plural. |
| 22:46 | <@celticminstrel> | ^dictionary |
| 22:47 | <@celticminstrel> | Code is still an issue though... |
| 22:47 | <@celticminstrel> | And hex I guess too. |
| 22:47 | <@Tamber> | Because you might have separate dictionaries for different writing tasks. Say, one that's specifically technical terms you don't use in 'normal' writings, so as not to cause confusion? |
| 22:47 | <@Tamber> | (...a bit of a reach, I admit.) |
| 22:47 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, fair enough. |
| 22:47 | <&McMartin> | By default I have two dictionaries on my spellcheckers, one for US English and one for UK english. |
| 22:48 | <&McMartin> | The Curse of Webster strikes Again |
| 22:48 | <@celticminstrel> | That's not what I'm referring to. |
| 22:48 | <&jeroud> | I've done that. It's a bit of a pain to switch them in and out in most software. |
| 22:48 | <&McMartin> | jeroud: That's not far from the technique I use, of course |
| 22:48 | <&McMartin> | It *does* keep requeueing itself up |
| 22:49 | <&jeroud> | McMartin: Yes, the image is somewhat appropriate. That's why my brain grabbed it.~ |
| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | One of the old demowriters actually found the article and noted it was an interesting technique and not what he usually saw. |
| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | Apparently it's more traditional to use one interrupt, cyclecount it out, and alter the scroll value every line until you're done |
| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | Easier to slip into the middle of a display routine that way, but you spend more time busywaiting and it locks you into either PAL or NTSC output (which usually happens anyway as some popular techniques I haven't gotten to yet basically demand this) |
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