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| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | http://blog.erratasec.com/2015/08/about-systemd-controversy.html |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | Moderately amusing, though I would have to state that the second comment is unfair to vi |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | init isn't vi. It's ed. =P |
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| 20:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | "error: use of undeclared identifier 'component'; did you mean 'compose'?" |
| 20:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | No, compiler, I did not mean compose |
| 20:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | And I do not appreciate the subsequent two pages of type errors that would have occurred had I meant compose |
| 20:19 | <@Tamber> | *grins* |
| 20:19 | <@Tamber> | That compiler is too smart for its own good. |
| 20:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, this feature is cool sometimes but most of the time it's just needlessly verbose. |
| 20:22 | < catalyst> | :3 |
| 20:22 | < catalyst> | I do like clang |
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| 20:58 | <&McMartin> | I have to use templates a lot, so the verbosity is a boon there |
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| 21:15 | < catalyst> | I wish I could use clang more for work-things |
| 21:15 | <&McMartin> | I like clang, but I loathe Xcode :/ |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | gcc has been with us for long enough that it's really more an long-standing bundle of resentments that make Thanksgiving Dinner awkward >_> |
| 21:17 | | * catalyst has to use... VC++ *shudder* |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | I hate to say it - especially since they broke the shit out of Intellisense in 2012 while drastically improving every other aspect of the UI - but MSVS is probably the best C++ IDE I've ever used -_- |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | If you know of better (that isn't "emacs and a web browser", which is what I normally use and which isn't an IDE) I am legit interested in suggestions |
| 21:19 | < catalyst> | the IDE is pretty decent, especially if you use VAssistX |
| 21:19 | < catalyst> | the compiler is still horribly non standards compliant |
| 21:20 | < catalyst> | (or, worse, compliant with the working versions of the standard, as is the case with the way it deals with deleting move constructors) |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | Ah yes |
| 21:20 | <&McMartin> | This is not the first place they've run afoul of that |
| 21:20 | < catalyst> | *I* *know* :P |
| 21:21 | <&McMartin> | C++11 is actually still largely new to me. Is there a place I can get up to speed on the details there? |
| 21:21 | <&McMartin> | It's not *immediately* relevant to me because every platform I'm officially targeting with this stuff uses clang, but if it ever needs to run on Windows, it'd be handy to know what I'm getting into |
| 21:21 | < catalyst> | Sutter's videos and blog articles tend to be pretty good for that |
| 21:22 | <&McMartin> | Cool |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha ha |
| 21:23 | | * McMartin fires up his blog again, which he hasn't done in some time |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | "For C, see the C99 Rationale section 6.7.2 â interestingly, you canât search for âimplicit intâ because that term isnât used â this is where the string to search for is âinherent dangerâ :)." |
| 21:23 | < catalyst> | :D |
| 21:24 | | * catalyst has three copies of the C++ standard in pdfs on her desktop at work |
| 21:24 | < catalyst> | apparently this is considered unusual |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | Well, sure, I mean, coding to the standard is a sucker's game; what you really need are docs on compiler internals, right >_> |
| 21:25 | < catalyst> | well, maybe, but part of my job is implementing standards-compilent basic types :3 |
| 21:25 | <&McMartin> | Here was my shelf back at the old job: https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/photo/tech_library.jpg |
| 21:25 | | * catalyst literally implements parts of the STL |
| 21:25 | <&McMartin> | Niice. |
| 21:25 | <&McMartin> | The new job I have no shelf because it's open plan >_< |
| 21:25 | < catalyst> | :< |
| 21:25 | < catalyst> | I have a pile of similar books on my tower at work |
| 21:26 | <&McMartin> | There are a couple of anomalies in that particular shelf >_> |
| 21:26 | < catalyst> | ^.^ |
| 21:26 | < catalyst> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqTKD8uD64 might be handy, I don't know if it's pitched at a decent level for you or not |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | I don't object to back-to-basics if there's a risk I might have missed something fundamental originally |
| 21:28 | <&McMartin> | Heh, viz our earlier discussions, the "related videos" is including "CPU Caches and Why You Care" :D |
| 21:28 | <&McMartin> | Also, Windows 10 \o/ |
| 21:29 | | * McMartin types Shift-Insert into a cmd.exe window and it fucking works, after 20 years |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | !!! |
| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | Also from sutter's blog recently, VS is going to operate as a clang frontend as well |
| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | VS/Clang would probably end up being my preferred dev environment on Windows. |
| 21:33 | < catalyst> | ^^ |
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| 22:38 | | * TheWatcher readsup, links http://fleet.starforge.co.uk/images/bookshelf.jpg again, because >.> |
| 22:39 | < catadroid> | ^.^ |
| 22:39 | < catadroid> | seems about right |
| 22:55 | | * Alek wishes he could put up his books. but noooo, they have to be boxed up. -_- |
| 22:55 | < catadroid> | ^^ |
| 22:56 | <@Alek> | I've got I think half a dozen boxes left, JUST of textbooks. |
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