| --- Log opened Tue Jun 30 00:00:26 2015 |
| 00:04 | | RchrdB [RchrdB@Nightstar-qe9.aug.187.81.IP] has joined #code |
| 00:05 | | catadroid` [catalyst@Nightstar-f9gi4l.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 00:08 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-bfnjc5.dab.02.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 00:33 | | Checkmate [Z@Nightstar-r9lk5l.cust.comxnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 00:44 | | thalass [thalass@Nightstar-653.4li.114.24.IP] has joined #code |
| 00:44 | | mode/#code [+o thalass] by ChanServ |
| 01:11 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-3ab.59c.73.97.IP] has joined #code |
| 01:22 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 01:55 | | RchrdB [RchrdB@Nightstar-qe9.aug.187.81.IP] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 02:14 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 02:19 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-3ab.59c.73.97.IP] has quit [Client exited] |
| 02:20 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-3ab.59c.73.97.IP] has joined #code |
| 02:23 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 02:23 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 02:39 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-6i5vf7.sta.comporium.net] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 02:48 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 02:52 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-1h440g.eng.wind.ca] has joined #code |
| 02:52 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 02:52 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 02:56 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-1h440g.eng.wind.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 03:04 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 03:04 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 03:06 | | SKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 03:06 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 03:07 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 03:08 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-v7f.prl.119.199.IP] has joined #code |
| 03:10 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 03:10 | | SKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 03:13 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-v7f.prl.119.199.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 03:19 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 03:19 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 03:20 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 03:20 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 03:26 | <~Vornicus> | hooray, json api of doooooooooom |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | dooooooooooooooooooooooooom |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | json is p ok all told |
| 03:34 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-os0.prl.119.199.IP] has joined #code |
| 03:34 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 03:34 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has joined #code |
| 03:37 | | SKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-7c0.prl.119.199.IP] has joined #code |
| 03:38 | | SmithKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-os0.prl.119.199.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 03:40 | <~Vornicus> | It is a looooong way better than PHP serialize, let me tell you |
| 03:40 | <&Derakon> | JSON has a few annoyances, but it's far from the worst way to serialize data. |
| 03:41 | | SmithK [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-iq52tu.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 03:41 | <&Derakon> | Mostly I don't like its insistance on not having trailing commas, and the requirement that key strings all be quoted. |
| 03:50 | <@Reiv> | Yeah, the trailing commas is kind of a pain |
| 03:50 | | thalass [thalass@Nightstar-653.4li.114.24.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 03:51 | <@Reiv> | The key strings thing is not so bad, though, it helps with a lot of issues elsewhere |
| 03:51 | <&Derakon> | Sure, it's not as huge a deal. |
| 03:51 | <&Derakon> | It's mostly just unsightly. |
| 04:00 | <@starkruzr> | help me understand what "serialize" means in this context? |
| 04:00 | <&Derakon> | Convert program objects into data. |
| 04:01 | <&Derakon> | So e.g. if you have a Player object and its important attributes are X position, Y position, and health, then you could serialize the Player to JSON as "{"xpos": 4, "ypos": 8, "health": 3}", say. |
| 04:01 | <&Derakon> | And then you have deserialization code that can read that JSON and reconstruct the Player. |
| 04:02 | <~Vornicus> | You can then send this representation to a file (to save the game) or down a socket/pipe to another process or computer (to do networking) |
| 04:03 | <~Vornicus> | In my case I'm doing ajax (ajaj?) calls from a web application and collecting the response data as JSON-serialized objects. |
| 04:04 | <~Vornicus> | Especially convenient, as JSON is JavaScript Object Notation, and my web application uses JavaScript. |
| 04:05 | <~Vornicus> | (XML is also relatively convenient when talking to web applications, because much of the stuff that works on HTML *also* works on XML) |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | JSON is also pretty darn easy to parse even without special libraries |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | I once threw one together in C in like 400 lines |
| 04:41 | <&Derakon> | Yep. |
| 04:41 | <&McMartin> | And C is real bad at parsing stuff |
| 04:45 | <@celticminstrel> | "ajaj"? |
| 04:45 | <&McMartin> | AJAX stands for "Asynchronous JavaScript and XML", IIRC |
| 04:46 | <&McMartin> | So this would be "Asynchronous JavaScript and JavaScript". |
| 04:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Uh. Okay. |
| 04:46 | <@Wizard> | AJAX stands for "It's all Greek to me honestly I just write callbacks" |
| 04:46 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 04:46 | <&McMartin> | Since instead of transferring little fragments of XML back and forth it is transferring Javascript object literals. |
| 04:47 | <@Wizard> | Vornicus: AJAJ is apparently a recognized term yeah |
| 04:47 | <~Vornicus> | well, async js and JSON |
| 04:47 | <@Wizard> | Although from what I've seen people just use AJAX as a shorthand for the general technique rather than XML-specific |
| 04:48 | <@Wizard> | On a total personal tangent I feel really conflicted about it |
| 04:48 | <@Wizard> | As a user I hate when a site just doesn't work with JS off, since I use noscript for whitelisting etc etc |
| 04:48 | <&McMartin> | καλλβαξ |
| 04:48 | <@Wizard> | But as a developer, oh boy do I love splitting front- and back end entirely |
| 04:49 | <&Derakon> | It also can massively improve efficiency as you don't have to reload the entire page every time some little thing changes. |
| 04:49 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: wut |
| 04:49 | <&McMartin> | "It's all greek to me, I just write callbacks", he said |
| 04:49 | <@Wizard> | Like a frontend built over a backend JSON API rather than any dynamic generation a la PHP/Rails |
| 04:49 | <@Reiv> | badumtish |
| 04:49 | <&Derakon> | Oh, "kallbac" |
| 04:49 | <@Wizard> | Derakon: Yeah |
| 04:49 | <&Derakon> | Or something like that. |
| 04:49 | <&McMartin> | kallbax, actually >_> |
| 04:49 | <@Reiv> | You are a bad man |
| 04:50 | <@Reiv> | A very bad man |
| 04:50 | <@Reiv> | have a small prize. |
| 04:50 | <&McMartin> | It has in fact been observed before that I am a bad person |
| 04:50 | <~Vornicus> | meanwhile I'm sitting here with at least one site under development where you have literally a static HTML page and a shitton of (potential) API calls |
| 04:51 | <@Wizard> | Derakon: On an unrelated secondary tangent, while I agree with performance optimizations, I wish terrible death on anyone who uses sprite sheets in the year of our KNUTH 77 |
| 04:51 | <&McMartin> | Wizard: Er |
| 04:51 | <&McMartin> | That's the standard technique again after 2001 or so |
| 04:52 | <&McMartin> | Once textures got big enough to serve as such |
| 04:52 | <@Wizard> | McMartin: It makes me snarl |
| 04:52 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, sprite sheets save you from texture swapping and can also be a major space saving. |
| 04:52 | <@Wizard> | I mean okay if you can *reasonably* hide the stuff |
| 04:52 | <&Derakon> | You just need to use the associated utility instead of manually manipulating the things. |
| 04:52 | <@Wizard> | But not things where you have like |
| 04:52 | <&McMartin> | Define "hide" |
| 04:52 | <@Wizard> | A SASS file |
| 04:53 | <@Wizard> | With very vaguely named objects that are like "left:120px;right:-502px;" |
| 04:53 | <~Vornicus> | The real shame is that you need to use either crazy transforms or background-position to take advantage of them. |
| 04:53 | <&McMartin> | OK, we are talking about different things, mostly |
| 04:53 | <&Derakon> | SASS? |
| 04:53 | <@Wizard> | That are terrible to maintain |
| 04:53 | <@Wizard> | Er |
| 04:53 | <@Wizard> | left and top |
| 04:53 | <@Wizard> | Too annoyed to think straight now |
| 04:54 | | Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @Alek, @macdjord|slep, @EvilDarkLord, @himi, @iospace, @jeroud, @jerith |
| 04:54 | <@Wizard> | Derakon: The attitude you develop after maintaining SASS files |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | I am referring to, like, png files |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | https://github.com/michaelcmartin/monocle/blob/master/demo/resources/earth.png |
| 04:54 | <~Vornicus> | SASS: CSS preprocessors |
| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | Vorn: ahh, thanks. |
| 04:54 | | Netsplit over, joins: @jeroud, &jerith, @iospace, @macdjord|slep, @himi, @EvilDarkLord, @Alek |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | Spritesheets are for, well, sprites |
| 04:54 | <~Vornicus> | Wizard is talking specifically about the gyrations you need to do to make HTML entities use sprite sheets |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | Rendering 2D graphical elements that animate in (these days) an otherwise 3d environment |
| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | Typically you have your sprites in separate files and then you send them through a packer that generates optimized layouts and offsets for you. |
| 04:55 | <&Derakon> | You never actually deal directly with the sprite sheet. |
| 04:55 | <&McMartin> | Which in this case means the sane usecase is "drawing a subrect to an HTML5 canvas" |
| 04:55 | <@Wizard> | 06:52 <@Wizard> I mean okay if you can *reasonably* hide the stuff |
| 04:55 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, OK |
| 04:55 | <@[R]> | <Derakon> Mostly I don't like its insistance on not having trailing commas, and the requirement that key strings all be quoted. <-- and all quotes must be double |
| 04:55 | <~Vornicus> | So you're stuck either 1. using canvases or 2. using background-position and sizing. |
| 04:55 | <&McMartin> | I'm used to "spritesheet" being used in the sense of "bind 128 frames of animation to one texture because you're using a GPU to do 2D" |
| 04:56 | <@Wizard> | Ah |
| 04:57 | <&McMartin> | Binding each frame to a separate texture and rebinding your shaders every single frame is probably about as bad as using a spritesheet directly in CSS. |
| 04:57 | <~Vornicus> | Which means you have a shitton of things in your spritesheet's associated stylesheet going "background-position: -41px -41px; height: 40px; width: 40px;" |
| 04:57 | <&McMartin> | That does indeed seem kind of unfortunate |
| 05:01 | | * Wizard goes on call, checks inbox |
| 05:01 | <@Wizard> | ** PROBLEM Service Alert: <client> <machine> is CRITICAL ** |
| 05:02 | <@Wizard> | Thanks, person who was on call last night for an hour after this happened |
| 05:02 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-b6hgh7.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [[NS] Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] |
| 05:04 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 05:26 | | Checkmate [Z@Nightstar-r9lk5l.cust.comxnet.dk] has joined #code |
| 05:26 | | mode/#code [+o Checkmate] by ChanServ |
| 05:38 | | catadroid` [catalyst@Nightstar-f9gi4l.dab.02.net] has quit [A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.] |
| 05:38 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-ep58rv.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 05:51 | | SKurosaki [SmithKurosa@Nightstar-7c0.prl.119.199.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 06:01 | | Vash [Vash@Nightstar-uhn82m.ct.comcast.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Quit] |
| 06:08 | | Vornicus [Vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 06:35 | | catadroid` [catalyst@Nightstar-ve78ej.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 06:38 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-ep58rv.dab.02.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 07:24 | | catadroid` [catalyst@Nightstar-ve78ej.dab.02.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Bye] |
| 07:30 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 08:10 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-3ab.59c.73.97.IP] has quit [Client exited] |
| 08:57 | | Alek [Alek@Nightstar-03ja8q.il.comcast.net] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 09:02 | | Alek [Alek@Nightstar-03ja8q.il.comcast.net] has joined #code |
| 09:02 | | mode/#code [+o Alek] by ChanServ |
| 09:25 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-6i5vf7.sta.comporium.net] has joined #code |
| 09:43 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-ve78ej.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 09:46 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-fd8.71c.73.97.IP] has joined #code |
| 10:37 | | RchrdB [RchrdB@Nightstar-952.jvr.168.194.IP] has joined #code |
| 12:47 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-b6hgh7.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #code |
| 12:47 | | mode/#code [+o celticminstrel] by ChanServ |
| 12:59 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-fd8.71c.73.97.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 13:05 | | catadroid` [catalyst@Nightstar-36u6ck.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 13:06 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-fd8.71c.73.97.IP] has joined #code |
| 13:07 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-ve78ej.dab.02.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 14:01 | | catadroid` is now known as catadroid |
| 14:33 | | orth [orthianz@Nightstar-lip6m3.ihug.co.nz] has joined #code |
| 15:09 | | GreenGuy [GreenGuy@Nightstar-fik25i.gnomino.eu] has joined #code |
| 15:50 | | khyperia [khyperia@Nightstar-6errt8.coppercore.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 15:50 | | khyperia [khyperia@Nightstar-6errt8.coppercore.net] has joined #code |
| 16:47 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-afpphi.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #code |
| 16:47 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by ChanServ |
| 16:54 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-afpphi.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 16:55 | <@celticminstrel> | Is there any way in lldb to disable or enable breakpoints by name instead of number? |
| 16:56 | <@celticminstrel> | I want to avoid breaking on exceptions thrown in the Spirit library, which I can do by putting breakpoints before and after invoking the parser which respectively disable and enable the __cxa_throw breakpoint and then continue, but I can't rely on the breakpoint number being the same every time the program executes. |
| 17:01 | | kourbou [kourbou@Nightstar-deqg8j.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #code |
| 17:01 | <@[R]> | Hey! Meant to ask you, how the VPS is going? |
| 17:02 | <@celticminstrel> | ...who? |
| 17:02 | <@[R]> | Guy who just joined |
| 17:03 | < kourbou> | Oh. :3 |
| 17:03 | < kourbou> | Umm. |
| 17:03 | < kourbou> | Planning on using it more. |
| 17:03 | < kourbou> | Pretty inactive for the moment. |
| 17:03 | <@[R]> | Ah, fair enough |
| 17:03 | < kourbou> | How are you doing [R]? |
| 17:04 | <@[R]> | Pretty good, still don't have Docker locally to play with :/ |
| 17:04 | <@[R]> | Apparently it needs a fairly new kernel. |
| 17:21 | | kourbou [kourbou@Nightstar-deqg8j.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Iâm not a psychopath. Iâm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research.] |
| 17:21 | | Tamber [tamber@furryhelix.co.uk] has joined #code |
| 17:22 | | mode/#code [+o Tamber] by ChanServ |
| 17:27 | | kourbou [kourbou@Nightstar-deqg8j.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #code |
| 17:33 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-afpphi.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #code |
| 17:33 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by ChanServ |
| 17:40 | | catadroid` [catalyst@Nightstar-r1129u.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 17:40 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-36u6ck.dab.02.net] has quit [A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.] |
| 18:06 | | kourbou is now known as kourbou|foodz |
| 18:08 | | catadroid` is now known as catadroid |
| 18:13 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|afk |
| 18:14 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-afpphi.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.] |
| 18:28 | | kourbou|foodz is now known as kourbou |
| 18:33 | | abudhabi [abudhabi@Nightstar-7nkq9k.de] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 18:35 | | abudhabi [abudhabi@Nightstar-7nkq9k.de] has joined #code |
| 18:52 | | GreenGuy [GreenGuy@Nightstar-fik25i.gnomino.eu] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 19:06 | | gizmore [kvirc@Nightstar-c3md57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #code |
| 19:34 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-r1129u.dab.02.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 19:38 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-fd8.71c.73.97.IP] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 19:46 | | gizmore [kvirc@Nightstar-c3md57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [[NS] Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] |
| 19:47 | | catalyst [catalyst@Nightstar-bt5k4h.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #code |
| 19:53 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-mck.6c6.73.97.IP] has joined #code |
| 19:54 | | catalyst [catalyst@Nightstar-bt5k4h.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [[NS] Quit: ] |
| 19:54 | | gizmore [kvirc@Nightstar-c3md57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #code |
| 20:16 | | kourbou [kourbou@Nightstar-deqg8j.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Iâm not a psychopath. Iâm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research.] |
| 20:30 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-afpphi.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #code |
| 20:30 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by ChanServ |
| 20:34 | | RchrdB [RchrdB@Nightstar-952.jvr.168.194.IP] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 20:56 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-bt5k4h.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #code |
| 20:57 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-bt5k4h.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [[NS] Quit: Bye] |
| 20:57 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-nvkarn.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 21:07 | | ErikMesoy [Erik@Nightstar-ki97ss.customer.cdi.no] has left #code [] |
| 21:08 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-nvkarn.dab.02.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 21:10 | | Kindamoody|afk is now known as Kindamoody |
| 21:33 | | ErikMesoy [Erik@Nightstar-ki97ss.customer.cdi.no] has joined #code |
| 21:34 | | mode/#code [+o ErikMesoy] by ChanServ |
| 21:47 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-mck.6c6.73.97.IP] has quit [Connection closed] |
| 21:51 | | Meatyhandbag [sebastianfe@Nightstar-81e.9ac.73.97.IP] has joined #code |
| 21:53 | | gnolam [lenin@Nightstar-afpphi.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [[NS] Quit: Gone] |
| 22:01 | | catadroid [catalyst@Nightstar-6ke4d9.dab.02.net] has joined #code |
| 22:04 | | macdjord|slep is now known as macdjord |
| 22:15 | | McMartin [mcmartin@Nightstar-rpcdbf.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: kernel upgrade] |
| 22:32 | | McMartin [mcmartin@Nightstar-rpcdbf.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #code |
| 22:32 | | mode/#code [+ao McMartin McMartin] by ChanServ |
| 22:51 | | catalyst [catalyst@Nightstar-bt5k4h.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #code |
| 22:58 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 23:39 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-v37cpe.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 23:43 | | catalyst [catalyst@Nightstar-bt5k4h.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Connection closed] |
| --- Log closed Wed Jul 01 00:00:01 2015 |