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| 05:01 | <@celticminstrel> | There's still one little minor issue with my NSIS installer script. |
| 05:01 | <@celticminstrel> | The registry keys mapping file extention to identifier are not deleted. |
| 05:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Other than that... it works perfectly! Yay! |
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| 06:40 | <@macdjord> | Ooh. Zachtronics, the people who made SpaceChem, have a new game. Based around assembly programming. |
| 06:48 | | * macdjord prods McMartin, whom this seems like it might interest |
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| 10:57 | < catadroid> | dude. dude. IT IS NOT OKAY TO JOKE ABOUT MAKING THE ACRONYM FOR THAT TOOL "RAPE" |
| 10:57 | <@TheWatcher> | ... yeah, no. |
| 11:01 | | * catadroid sighs |
| 11:03 | < abudhabi> | Then... tell him your opinion? Or is it someone in here that you're talking about? |
| 11:04 | <@TheWatcher> | Best not be, or they won't be for long. |
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| 11:26 | < catadroid`> | I did talk to him about it, I just needed to vent somewhere |
| 11:27 | < catadroid`> | Also I may have uttered the phrase 'what the fuck is wrong with you?' in the meeting, which might have been a little over the top |
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| 11:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Arguably possibly unprofessional, but not necessarily unwarranted. |
| 11:31 | < catadroid> | given that I said a similar thing when he suggested it be called AssPacker probably warranted |
| 11:31 | < catadroid> | anyway |
| 11:31 | < catadroid> | I just wanted to yell about it somewhere it wouldn't be a problem to |
| 11:33 | <@TheWatcher> | Fair enough! |
| 11:33 | < catadroid> | aw, and then a brighter moment as someone asks for advice on using the debugging aids I put into the game recently |
| 11:40 | | * abudhabi uses JSTL to conditionally print a script block to the page that automatically clicks a hidden button. |
| 11:40 | < abudhabi> | Somehow, I think there should be a less convoluted way to do "pop up this modal when the page is loaded", but it works. |
| 11:43 | <@TheWatcher> | `$(function() { popup.open(); });` ? |
| 11:43 | < abudhabi> | This is roughly what I do. But I'm also basing the decision on whether a particular request parameter is empty or not. |
| 11:44 | < abudhabi> | Since Stripes lets me easily work with parameters, I use that to check it, and then optionally launch the modal. |
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| 15:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Why won't it delete the registry key... |
| 15:11 | <@celticminstrel> | It has no problem deleting the class-to-command mapping key, which is in the same, uh, area. Why can't it delete the extension-to-class mapping key too? |
| 15:11 | <@celticminstrel> | (This is NSIS) |
| 15:23 | < abudhabi> | How the hell do I get a day-of-month out of a JS Date? |
| 15:24 | < abudhabi> | Also, why is it numbering months starting at 0, but numbering days-of-week starting at 1? |
| 15:25 | <@TheWatcher> | getDate() will give you the day of the month (1 to 31) |
| 15:25 | <@TheWatcher> | As for the second question: WATMAN. |
| 15:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Are you sure it's not just starting the week on Sunday when you expect it to start on Monday? |
| 15:26 | < abudhabi> | Why is the day-of-month getter named getDate()? |
| 15:27 | < abudhabi> | celticminstrel: Not sure. |
| 15:27 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: Javascript. |
| 15:27 | <@TheWatcher> | That's why. |
| 15:28 | < abudhabi> | celticminstrel: You are correct! |
| 15:28 | < abudhabi> | It does start Sunday at 0. |
| 15:29 | <@TheWatcher> | (Dates in javascript: bugfuck insane) |
| 15:30 | <@TheWatcher> | (Wait. s/Dates in // There, fixed.) |
| 15:30 | < abudhabi> | OK. So days-of-week and months are 0-indexed, but days-of-month are 1-indexed. |
| 15:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Correct. |
| 15:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Also, if you're doing anything in javascript involving dates, beware of the whole UTC v local time spiders. |
| 15:31 | <@TheWatcher> | (Yes, Time spiders) |
| 15:32 | < abudhabi> | Next issue, how do I get these in double-digit format? Single-digit months and days are ambiguous. I'm trying to fix this with if (day.length === 1) day = '0'+day; but that silently fails to do what I want for some reason. |
| 15:37 | <@TheWatcher> | try It's probably not treating it as a string when you're doing day.length. So you need to coerce it to a string, say if(String(day).length === 1) |
| 15:38 | <@TheWatcher> | -try |
| 15:38 | < abudhabi> | Yeah, that's probably the ticket. I fixed it by treating it as a number instead. |
| 15:38 | < abudhabi> | day <= 9 |
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| 15:44 | < ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: if javascript has something like sprintf() you could also just use '%02d' as the former. |
| 15:44 | < ToxicFrog> | *format. |
| 16:01 | <@celticminstrel> | How are single-digit months and days ambiguous? |
| 16:01 | < abudhabi> | celticminstrel: Americans |
| 16:01 | <@celticminstrel> | (And you'll probably find that day.length === undefined. :P ) |
| 16:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Eh? |
| 16:02 | < abudhabi> | 8/6/2015. 8th June or 6th August? |
| 16:03 | <@celticminstrel> | How does adding a 0 help with that? |
| 16:03 | <@celticminstrel> | It's still ambiguous, isn't it? |
| 16:03 | < abudhabi> | It helps signal as clearly as I can that I'm not using the American notation. |
| 16:05 | <@celticminstrel> | It'd help even more if you used big-endian. :P |
| 16:27 | < abudhabi> | I'm using YYYY/MM/dd HH:mm. This, I hope, casts no doubt as to where the month is. If I dropped the leading 0s, it would look more like the silly format. |
| 16:27 | | * celticminstrel shrug. |
| 16:35 | < catadroid> | having 0 padding means you can order alphabetically and get chronological ordering for free |
| 16:35 | <@celticminstrel> | True. |
| 16:36 | <@celticminstrel> | (You'd need padding on the year too, if you had years of different lengths... which is highly unlikely, but still.) |
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| 16:50 | <@Alek> | not since the current calendar was introduced, and not for the next almost 8000 years. |
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| 18:06 | < ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: YYYY-MM-dd HH:mm is the standard. |
| 18:09 | <@Tamber> | As far as I'm concerned, the only real date-time format is %Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S%z |
| 18:11 | < kourbou|foodz> | Personally dd-MM-YYYY makes more sense to me. o.o |
| 18:12 | <@Tamber> | The only reason I end up using dd-MM-YYYY these days is because people complain that YYYY-MM-dd is different and thus wrong. |
| 18:12 | <@Tamber> | Fool-compatibility is irritating. >:C |
| 18:24 | < ToxicFrog> | dd-MM-YYYY has all the ambiguity and nonsorting problems of dd/MM/YYYY while also being briefly visually confusing because the - make you think it's going to be a properly formatted date for a moment, though |
| 18:24 | < ToxicFrog> | Why would you do that |
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| 18:43 | | * Derakon mutters at GUIs. |
| 18:43 | <&Derakon> | For some reason my window is spontaneously deciding that it needs to be itty-bitty. |
| 18:44 | <&Derakon> | I have overridden every resizing method I can find on JFrames to try to figure out how this is happening, and none of them are being called. |
| 18:44 | <&Derakon> | What the Christ. |
| 18:46 | <&McMartin> | Man |
| 18:46 | <&McMartin> | I remember having to make stuff like that work on X |
| 18:46 | | kourbou|foodz is now known as kourbou |
| 18:46 | <&McMartin> | But X treats all commands to resize, reposition, &c as mere suggestions |
| 18:46 | <&McMartin> | This has its advantages (user empowerment!) but it also has all the problems that letting users arbitrarily redefine your CSS does for web pages. |
| 18:46 | <&Derakon> | Oh oh oh, that reminds me. |
| 18:47 | <&Derakon> | Java GUI objects have a maximum size you can set. |
| 18:47 | <&Derakon> | Which is supposed to mean "do not let this object ever grown beyond this size, ever." |
| 18:47 | <&Derakon> | But for windows, literally all it means is "the user is not allowed to drag this window larger than the specified size." |
| 18:47 | <&Derakon> | Code can happily set it to be larger, and in particular if the layout manager decides it needs more size, whelp. |
| 18:48 | <&Derakon> | So if you want to have an object that grows to fill available space without forcing the window larger, fuck you. |
| 18:49 | <&Derakon> | Anyway. I half suspect the problem I'm running into now is ImageJ's fault. |
| 18:49 | <&Derakon> | ImageJ being the swirling ocean of chaos that our code, like a little dinghy, attempts to navigate without capsizing. |
| 18:53 | <@ErikMesoy> | [insert text of various login;logout articles here] |
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| 18:56 | | * Derakon adds some logging messages, fixes the bug. Fantastic. |
| 18:56 | <&Derakon> | I hate race conditions. >.< |
| 18:57 | <&McMartin> | ... that sounds like a race between adding/setting sizes of widgets and calling the final relayout/invalidate. You aren't mixing UI operations across threads, are you? |
| 18:57 | | * Derakon restores the logging messages, the bug remains present. ... |
| 18:57 | <&Derakon> | I shouldn't be, no. |
| 18:58 | <&Derakon> | Hm, maybe it only happens the first display window per program session? |
| 18:58 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, that does seem to be the case. |
| 19:01 | <&Derakon> | But it doesn't have anything to do with the specific actions we take only for the first display window. |
| 19:01 | <&Derakon> | Argh. |
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| 19:22 | <&Derakon> | It doesn't help that NetBeans' debugger has gone bugfuck and can't handle basic stepping operations without dumping me into weird crannies of the JVM. |
| 19:22 | <&Derakon> | I think that might have to do with a refactor we did of our code, maybe? |
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| 20:47 | | * macdjord|wurk goggles at the scorecard for the primality tester level in TIS-100 |
| 20:47 | | macdjord|wurk is now known as macdjord |
| 20:48 | <@macdjord> | Best scores are aroun 5-10k steps. My best is 360k - and I honestly can't see how I could possibly better that by more than, say, half. |
| 20:49 | <@macdjord> | Maybe 75%. |
| 20:49 | <@macdjord> | Unless I cheesed it with a preprogrammed answer list. |
| 20:51 | <&McMartin> | I have to admit that TIS-100 doesn't appeal to me because I could just *go write some C64 demos*, you know |
| 20:52 | | * Derakon googles. |
| 20:52 | <&Derakon> | Oh, another programming game. |
| 20:52 | <&Derakon> | If I wanted to program, I'd program without artificial constraints on what I'm allowed to do~ |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | SpaceChem had its charms, being an actual application of parallel befunge |
| 20:56 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, but it still felt way too much like work. |
| 21:03 | <@macdjord> | The the primality testing, in the absence of a division function, is dominated by the repeated subtraction. I've got that within 50% of theoretical perfecte efficiency. There;s no room for loop unrolling. I could possibly improve efficiency by 75% if I implemented cutoffs so it only tested up to half the target value. |
| 21:05 | <@macdjord> | No bitwise operators, so I can't do anything clever with shift-and-add to speed up things. |
| 21:06 | <&McMartin> | What if you did a Sieve of Eristosthenes? |
| 21:06 | <@ErikMesoy> | *Eratosthenes |
| 21:06 | <&McMartin> | Mine is, um, more chaotic, I guess |
| 21:07 | <@macdjord> | Hrm. There are a couple stack memory modules provided on this level.... |
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| 21:09 | <@macdjord> | But, with only stack memory, not random, I don't think I could implement the sieve effectively. |
| 21:11 | <@macdjord> | At best, I could make sure I only have to test my candidates against the primes below it, rather than every odd number. But most of the time is spents on 2, 3, 5, and 7 anyway... |
| 21:11 | <@macdjord> | Bah. I'm all brained out. I'm going to play some DoomRL now. |
| 21:13 | < ToxicFrog> | Speaking of DoomRL, I have now successfully completed Ao100 with sounds enabled on the server |
| 21:13 | < ToxicFrog> | I think it's time to turn sound on by default |
| 21:29 | <@ErikMesoy> | http://jaiwithani.tumblr.com/post/118054371816/python-what-if-everything-was-a-d ict-java-what |
| 21:31 | <@ErikMesoy> | "PHP: What if we wanted to make SQL injection easier?" >_> |
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