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| 00:19 | | * TheWatcher eyes some code |
| 00:21 | <@TheWatcher> | I know I wrote this, it says right there at the top |
| 00:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Buggered if I can actually remember writing it, though. |
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| 01:14 | < kourbou> | http://thingsprogrammersshout.tumblr.com/post/116683929360/things-programmers-sh out-165 |
| 01:27 | < kourbou> | Can you transfer files through SSH? |
| 01:27 | < kourbou> | Natively? |
| 01:28 | <&Derakon> | How do you mean "natively"? |
| 01:29 | <&McMartin> | svn and git have modes where they do this, but I think scp is kind of the traditional way to do this |
| 01:29 | <&McMartin> | And IIRC that uses the ssh daemon to do so |
| 01:29 | < kourbou> | Well, without using a command. |
| 01:30 | <&Derakon> | So you want an encrypted-transfer NFS? |
| 01:30 | < kourbou> | Like part of the ssh command |
| 01:30 | < kourbou> | Yes. |
| 01:30 | < kourbou> | Is FTP a safe choice? |
| 01:30 | <&Derakon> | I'm sure such must existed but I have never configured an NFS myself so I can't advise you. |
| 01:30 | <&Derakon> | FTP is innately in-the-clear. |
| 01:30 | <&Derakon> | sftp is encrypted, but it's also a command so now I'm back to being confused about what you want. |
| 01:31 | <&Derakon> | If you just want as a one-time thing to safely send files to a remote server, then use scp, which uses ssh for encryption. |
| 01:32 | < kourbou> | Is there a GUI client for scp? And can I browse the folders? |
| 01:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | kourbou: what is your actual goal here? |
| 01:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | There are dozens. |
| 01:33 | < kourbou> | Accessing a file sever safely. |
| 01:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you're on linux there's probably one built into the file browser. |
| 01:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you're windows, check out Filezilla. |
| 01:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | What does "accessing" here mean? |
| 01:33 | < kourbou> | I have a CoreOS VPS |
| 01:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | Uploading one file? Many files? Once or repeatedly? Preserving metadata or not? Resumable or not? Or do you want to mount it? |
| 01:33 | < kourbou> | And I want to push filled to it. |
| 01:34 | < kourbou> | Mounting it would be cool. |
| 01:34 | | * thalass idly points at scp |
| 01:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | mounting it: sshfs. Requires ssh with the sftp subsystem enabled on the server. |
| 01:34 | < kourbou> | And I don't need anything fancy, just the safest option. |
| 01:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | These are all pretty much equally safe. |
| 01:34 | < kourbou> | Okay. |
| 01:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | kourbou: what OS is your client machine? |
| 01:36 | < kourbou> | CoreOS |
| 01:36 | < kourbou> | So very very bare bones. |
| 01:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | So it's coreOS on both the server and the client? |
| 01:36 | < kourbou> | Doesnt have a package manager. |
| 01:36 | < kourbou> | No client I have windows and android |
| 01:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 01:36 | < kourbou> | Android optionally. |
| 01:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, mounting is totally off the table on windows. |
| 01:37 | < kourbou> | xD |
| 01:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | On android it might be possible if you've rooted it but it's not a built in feature. |
| 01:37 | < kourbou> | Alright. |
| 01:37 | < kourbou> | Okay so forget mounting, |
| 01:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | For windows, if you want a graphical client, check filezilla; for command line stuff, there are windows versions of both scp and rsync (stand-alone versions, or cygwin comes with both). |
| 01:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | rsync requires rsync installed on the server as well and thus may not work on coreos. |
| 01:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | scp and filezilla just require sshd installed and for it not to have file transfers disabled. |
| 01:38 | < kourbou> | Thing is I have no package manager. |
| 01:38 | < kourbou> | I just have Docker. |
| 01:39 | < kourbou> | And I'm unsure how Docker works. |
| 01:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | All the things I'm talking about are things you use on the client! |
| 01:39 | < kourbou> | Oh xD |
| 01:40 | < kourbou> | Yeah but sshd |
| 01:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...so you can't even ssh into the server? |
| 01:40 | < kourbou> | Oh >.> |
| 01:40 | < kourbou> | Sheet I'm being stupid. |
| 01:40 | < kourbou> | Yes, yes I can. |
| 01:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | sshd is the SSH Daemon, the thing that handles incoming ssh connections. |
| 01:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you can ssh into the machine, sshd is installed and working. |
| 01:41 | < kourbou> | So this is part of the protocol? |
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| 01:41 | < kourbou> | The file sharing system? |
| 01:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes. It's optional -- servers can turn it off -- but it's on by default in most installs. |
| 01:42 | < kourbou> | OK cool. |
| 01:42 | < kourbou> | So filezilla just works with ssh by default? |
| 01:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 01:42 | < kourbou> | I thought it was FTP only. |
| 01:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | No, it supports both ftp and sftp. It might support ftps as well, don't remember. |
| 01:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | I haven't used fpts since the 90s. |
| 01:43 | < kourbou> | lol |
| 01:43 | < kourbou> | Well thanks ToxicFrog , you're awesome :) |
| 01:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | (ftps is FTP over SSL, unlike sftp which is a totally different protocol built into ssh) |
| 01:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | You're welcome! :) |
| 01:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you're ever accessing it from Linux, look into "sshfs" -- it's installed by default on a lot of linux distros and lets you mount a filesystem over sftp. |
| 01:45 | < kourbou> | I wish there was a way of thanking people. Like a kudos or something. |
| 01:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | I use it throughout my home. |
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| 03:01 | < kourbou> | Docker is confusing. *faceplants on table* |
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| 15:25 | <&McMartin> | A new article: https://bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com/2015/04/19/variable-screen-placement-the-v ic-iis-forbidden-technique/ |
| 15:26 | < kourbou> | Dark magic is forbidden, you'll get banned from Hogwarts. |
| 15:29 | < kourbou> | So you're exploiting some bugs if I understood. :P |
| 15:30 | <@Tamber> | That's about 80% of the neat stuff on that platform, I think. |
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| 15:37 | < kourbou> | Why did the send a list of the American Senate on Voyager? |
| 15:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | Senatorial prestige? |
| 15:50 | < kourbou> | Okay, |
| 15:53 | < EvilDarkLord> | Somebody wanting to signal weakness so the aliens would come and investigate? |
| 15:54 | < kourbou> | lol |
| 15:54 | < kourbou> | Honestly some of the info they sent is pure useless. |
| 16:00 | <@Reivthia> | Expensive item from NASA? It needs funding. Which requires political approval. |
| 16:00 | <@Reivthia> | What better way to get political approval than putting the bastards name on it |
| 16:01 | < kourbou> | True. |
| 16:01 | <@Reivthia> | It's also (supposedly) why the US nuclear attack submarines are named after cities |
| 16:01 | < kourbou> | But I'm pretty sure aliens don't give. |
| 16:01 | <@Reivthia> | It made a handy way to sortabribe senators and congressmen to fund their construction, by promising that one would be named after Their City. |
| 16:01 | < kourbou> | lol |
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| 16:02 | <@Reivthia> | With attached prestige, the money doth flow more freely. |
| 16:02 | <@Reivthia> | It's all absurd, of course, but woo, politics! |
| 16:03 | < kourbou> | ^ |
| 16:09 | <&McMartin> | kourbou: This is one of the bugs you can't exploit, in the end |
| 16:10 | <&McMartin> | It's an "if you fuck up, I hope you weren't using that RAM for anything" bug |
| 16:10 | < kourbou> | Oh, I should read it, I'm in the DC zoo sorry. |
| 16:10 | < kourbou> | I'll read it tonight. |
| 16:11 | <&McMartin> | Also fun because I believe it was attested in vague form back in '86 or so |
| 16:11 | <&McMartin> | It was actually properly characterized in, um |
| 16:11 | <&McMartin> | Feb 2013 |
| 16:14 | < kourbou> | Oh OK. Meanwhile I discovered man's greatest invention. |
| 16:15 | < kourbou> | The spork xD |
| 16:16 | <&McMartin> | PREPARE THE RUNCIBLE CANNON |
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| 16:34 | < kourbou> | What's that? :P |
| 16:36 | < kourbou> | I've been thinking for a good long 20 minutes and I still haven't understood that sentence. |
| 16:37 | | * Tamber pelts kourbou with spoons. |
| 16:37 | < kourbou> | spork* |
| 16:37 | < kourbou> | That way if you need to stab something, the option is there. |
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| 16:43 | <&McMartin> | "Runcible Spoon" is an old nonsense phrase that was ultimately assigned to the spork. |
| 16:44 | < kourbou> | Oh xD |
| 16:44 | < kourbou> | Haha. |
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| 17:31 | <&jerith> | http://exercism.io/ is pretty neat. |
| 17:32 | < kourbou> | I read exorcism.io xD |
| 17:32 | <@Tamber> | So did I. Not sure whether or not that'd be an improvement. |
| 17:32 | <@Namegduf> | I was thinking some kind of aerobics based exorcism, relating to coding somehow. |
| 17:32 | < kourbou> | Haha |
| 17:37 | < kourbou> | jerith: what does it do exactly? |
| 17:38 | < [R]> | Looks like it's a code-based social network where you actually discuss the code. |
| 17:38 | < kourbou> | Oh, nice. |
| 17:38 | <&jerith> | Project Euler with code review, essentially. |
| 17:39 | < kourbou> | I don't like the way it's trying to send me to hell but sure xD |
| 17:40 | <&jerith> | I'm running through the OCaml exercises at the moment. |
| 17:41 | < kourbou> | Oki. |
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| 21:04 | < kourbou> | Heyo, |
| 21:05 | < Meatyhandbag> | hi |
| 21:05 | < kourbou> | 'Sup? |
| 21:07 | < Meatyhandbag> | nuthin |
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