| --- Log opened Wed Jan 07 00:00:19 2015 |
| 00:24 | | * Derakon arghs at Java. |
| 00:24 | <&Derakon> | Stupid strongly-typed language. |
| 00:25 | <&Derakon> | I have five pairs of arrays (nb not Lists), of type String, Color, Integer, Integer, Double. I need to determine if, for any of these arrays, a value at a specific index (same index for all of them) is different across the two in the pair. |
| 00:25 | <&Derakon> | This is aggravatingly difficult in Java. It would be so easy in a loosely-type language ;_; |
| 00:29 | <&Derakon> | (Well, I mean, I could just have five nigh-identical versions of the comparison code, but that'd be ugly as sin especially when I take into account thte fact tthat any of the arrays could also be null) |
| 00:31 | <&McMartin> | It's not strong typing that is hurting you |
| 00:31 | <&McMartin> | It's a lack of tuples that autodeclare their types. |
| 00:32 | <&McMartin> | C++11 would make this trivial too~ |
| 00:34 | <&Derakon> | Um, maybe. |
| 00:35 | <&Derakon> | Anyway, ended up with a bunch of code that operates on Object[]s, plus a couple of functions that do switch/case to decide types where I have no other choice. |
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| 08:37 | | * McMartin finishes commenting his Atari 2600 color-test program. |
| 08:37 | <&McMartin> | https://github.com/michaelcmartin/Ophis/blob/master/examples/stella/colortest.op h |
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| 09:34 | <@gnolam> | http://i.imgur.com/7yCX6dc.jpg |
| 09:43 | | * TheWatcher eyes that |
| 09:43 | | * TheWatcher facepalms |
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| 09:53 | < Erik> | A function called "BalanceList" which does not balance a list, but lists balances. Argle. |
| 09:54 | < Erik> | Why does English have to be so terrible about having interchangeable nouns and verbs sometimes. |
| 09:55 | <@TheWatcher> | I blame the Romans. |
| 09:57 | < abudhabi> | I blame the Norse. |
| 10:01 | < abudhabi> | (More specifically, William the Bastard.) |
| 10:03 | < AverageJoe> | Blame canada! |
| 10:03 | < AverageJoe> | Blame canada! |
| 10:19 | < Erik> | I think I would also like to apportion a little blame to India for providing so many cheap, not-quite-English-fluent programmers, some of which have been contributing here. (Though I don't know specifically who wrote BalanceList.) |
| 10:24 | <@TheWatcher> | Ugh, my sympathies. |
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| 12:17 | <@TheWatcher> | Anyone here got any experience with ruby, rake, and passenger? |
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| 12:20 | < RobinStamer> | Yes |
| 12:21 | <@TheWatcher> | My system has just upgraded passenger to 4.x from 3.x. Apache bitched about not knowing anything about the RailsAutoDetect directive anymore, I eventually found this had been replaced by PassengerEnable |
| 12:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Except that even though apache is now restarting fine, going to the gitlab install simply gives me a 403 |
| 12:22 | <@TheWatcher> | the error log contains "Directory index forbidden by Options directive" |
| 12:22 | <@TheWatcher> | so I'm assuming it's not acutally working |
| 12:23 | < RobinStamer> | You're not using Passenger's nginx server then? |
| 12:23 | <@TheWatcher> | No, apache |
| 12:23 | <@TheWatcher> | it's mod_passenger |
| 12:25 | <@TheWatcher> | oh, wait |
| 12:25 | <@TheWatcher> | here we go |
| 12:25 | <@TheWatcher> | Passenger could not be initialized because of this error: Unable to start the Phusion Passenger watchdog because its executable (/usr/buildout/agents/PassengerWatchdog) does not exist |
| 12:37 | <@TheWatcher> | There, that fixed it |
| 12:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Fuck, I could have doen without that |
| 12:42 | < RobinStamer> | Yeah, misconfigured Passenger is unfun to debug |
| 12:43 | <@TheWatcher> | Frankly IME s/misconfigured Passenger/anything remotely related to ruby/ |
| 12:57 | < abudhabi> | Welp. My first major project just went into production. |
| 13:00 | <@TheWatcher> | \o/ |
| 13:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Congrats |
| 13:00 | < abudhabi> | Thanks. |
| 13:01 | < abudhabi> | Let's see how fast and hard the users break it. |
| 13:01 | < Erik> | And how terrible the bug reports are. |
| 13:01 | < Erik> | "It doesn't work." |
| 13:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Ugh |
| 13:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Quite. |
| 13:01 | < Erik> | "Something is wrong." "Your program is bad." "I have a problem." |
| 13:03 | <@Tamber> | "Your program sucks, I can't do things. This is super important that you fix it now, because omg critical!", coupled with two week delays before a reply from them. |
| 13:04 | < RobinStamer> | "Your program isn't able to send emails I wrote with Windows Word" |
| 13:04 | <@TheWatcher> | I've actually had that |
| 13:04 | < Erik> | And then there are the ones who don't report their bugs, but when a patch for the program comes out, they complain that the patch didn't fix their bug. |
| 13:04 | <@TheWatcher> | And had to fix it, too |
| 13:05 | < Erik> | And then you have the ones who were doing God-knows-what and complaining about the erector set not building a tower. |
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| --- Log opened Wed Jan 07 21:10:18 2015 |
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| 23:02 | <@celticminstrel> | My redirection of program output to a file seems to not work properly. |
| 23:02 | <@celticminstrel> | It appears that I get stdout but not stderr. |
| 23:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Even though I have >file.txt 2>&1 |
| 23:02 | <@celticminstrel> | This is for Windows. |
| 23:02 | <@Tamber> | Does the >file.txt bit not need to come after the redirect of 2 to 1? |
| 23:03 | <@Tamber> | ...oh, hm. |
| 23:03 | <@celticminstrel> | The source I found says it has to be in that order, but I did try reversing it with no luck. |
| 23:08 | <@TheWatcher> | try `1>file.txt 2>&1`? |
| 23:08 | <@celticminstrel> | Tried that too. Doesn't change anything. |
| 23:08 | <@TheWatcher> | Install mintty?~ |
| 23:09 | <@celticminstrel> | It must be something to do with Visual Studio, because it works properly when I do it on the command line. |
| 23:10 | <@celticminstrel> | (With >file.txt 2>&1( |
| 23:10 | <@celticminstrel> | ^) |
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| 23:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: command line parsing on windows is a gigantic clusterfuck and there's no guarantee that VS even invokes it as a normal shell command |
| 23:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Do not rely on it |
| 23:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Bleh. |
| 23:16 | <&McMartin> | Commands in VS are invoked as if they were batch files, IIRC. |
| 23:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you really need it, write a batfile that does the right thing and have VS invoke that instead. |
| 23:17 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not sure that'll work in this case... |
| 23:17 | <&McMartin> | It's common to also feed it PowerShell or Python (and then demand Python be in your path at build time) |
| 23:18 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, I guess I can customize the command to call for debugging... |
| 23:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Isn't that what you were already doing? |
| 23:19 | <@celticminstrel> | No, I was customizing the command arguments. They're separate fields in the property page, for some reason. |
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| 23:23 | <@celticminstrel> | I guess I should instead jsut go through my code and purge all instances of printf/perror/fprintf(stderr)... |
| 23:23 | <@celticminstrel> | ^just |
| 23:24 | <@celticminstrel> | Though, I dunno if C++ has a direct replacement for perror. |
| 23:25 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah, looks like I could do cerr << strerror(errno) |
| 23:25 | <@celticminstrel> | And then << ": " << msg |
| 23:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | The actual answer here is "use a proper logging library, and then invoke with --log-to=file.txt" |
| 23:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Hmm, Boost does have a logging library, though I don't really see why I need a logging library. This is mostly just debugging output. |
| 23:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Anyway, if I switch to C++ streams exclusively, then I can redirect all the output to the Visual Studio output window, which is even better than putting it in a file. |
| --- Log closed Thu Jan 08 00:00:13 2015 |