code logs -> 2013 -> Tue, 26 Nov 2013< code.20131125.log - code.20131127.log >
--- Log opened Tue Nov 26 00:00:04 2013
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01:23
<~Vornicus>
Sometimes I feel like I don't really count as a proper programmer because most of the stuff I make is toys and I've never really done collaboration on any decent size projects.
01:23
<~Vornicus>
These past two months have been a revelation. Jesus god what are these people /thinking/ when they write this stuff
01:23
<&McMartin>
"ship it out and forget about it because it works"
01:24
<~Vornicus>
That's the problem, I'm not actually sure it does
01:24
<&McMartin>
"Works on my machne. Ship it"
02:04
< Syka_>
heh
02:15
<@Namegduf>
"It builds, ship it"
02:15
<&McMartin>
Those of you even slightly interested in Game Maker Studio: The Standard edition is apparently free right now
02:15
<&McMartin>
--- begin quote ---
02:15
<&McMartin>
Download and install GameMaker: Studio, if not already. The first time it runs, select the beta channel from the prompt, or switch from the tray icon. Let GameMaker update and restart.
02:15
<&McMartin>
Now, you can register the Standard version for free; requires a valid email addy to receive the key.
02:15
<&McMartin>
(Having the Standard edition should give you a price break on upgrading to Professional or Master, if that interests you.)
02:15
<&McMartin>
--- end quote ---
02:25
< Reiv>
Hunh. Cool.
02:25
< Reiv>
I should learn Unity though, it's what my mind is made for
02:25 * Reiv muses
02:25
< Reiv>
Vornicus: I felt much the same way
02:25
< Reiv>
Ironically, I now feel that way because all I write is fucking SQL
02:26
< Reiv>
Which can get gnarly and hairy, but is not quite the same as Real Programming either. >_>
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08:23
< Syka_>
:( so i go to fix a PC that I deployed last week
08:23
< Syka_>
the W7 box now has W8 on it somehow
08:24
< AverageJoe>
how
08:24
< Syka_>
I have zero idea
08:24
< Syka_>
and they don't either
08:24
< Syka_>
Microsoft, why
08:25
< AverageJoe>
at work an AV alert popped up for a password stealer for an APK file, but when i investigated, i found nothing of the sort. the AV picked it up when the user plugged in their phone to the pc
08:25
< AverageJoe>
they vehemently denied the allegation ofc
08:29
<@froztbyte>
lols
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08:31
< AverageJoe>
I put in one machine that was infected for a re-image (guy in Sydney) and he calls me up, begging me to not re-image.
08:32
< AverageJoe>
and im like "dude, you got a password stealing bot on your shit, we work for a credit card company, it would be a GOOD IDEA to just give it up, go take a break or something"
08:33
< AverageJoe>
15 minutes later a dell tech calls me up saying the guy wont give it up still. I had to paperweight his shit. log into his router, null route his traffic.
08:34
<@froztbyte>
wtf though
08:34
<@froztbyte>
did he have his marriage proposal on there, or something?
08:35
< AverageJoe>
apparently he was working on something and was willing to risk his job over it.
08:35
< AverageJoe>
or hes retarded
08:35
< AverageJoe>
signs point to the latter
08:35
<@froztbyte>
haha
08:37
< AverageJoe>
I've been working my ass off trying to convince management, middle managers, the content team, and the proxy team to disable dynamic DNS communications.
08:37
< AverageJoe>
Since thats how most malware is both delivered and used for communication on since most places block irc traffic.
08:38
< AverageJoe>
Not making much progress. sucks. too much red tape. too much corporate.
08:40
<@froztbyte>
this is why I don't really want to deal with general corporate
08:42
< AverageJoe>
play the game right tho, and its awesome resume filler. i also make bank.
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08:46
<@froztbyte>
AverageJoe: eh, I make plenty bank where I am, but that's a fortunate thing which not many other people can do I guess
08:47
<@froztbyte>
AverageJoe: I /can/ run the corp gauntlet though; previous job had lots of interactions with telcos
08:47
<@froztbyte>
AverageJoe: just not a thing I like doing
08:52
< AverageJoe>
yeah
08:52
< AverageJoe>
so what do you do now?
08:52
< AverageJoe>
if you dont mind me asking
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09:03
< JustBob>
Tsk.
09:03
< JustBob>
I am having a "I wish I used LaTeX" moment.
09:03
< JustBob>
Because right now, I have so many nested equations that Word is trying not to crash.
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09:15
< JustBob>
What the fuck, windows.
09:16
< JustBob>
Why are you eating 75% of an i5-2500k's CPU power...
09:16
< JustBob>
Try to run...
09:16
< JustBob>
Word 2010.
09:18
< JustBob>
It's only 20 pages of equations. This should not be a problem. :|
09:40
< AverageJoe>
windows
09:41
< AverageJoe>
theres your problem
09:47
< JustBob>
Yes, well, those of us who are not programmers tend to use windows. It's almost like a windows system is the industry standard in non-CS engineering.
09:51
< AverageJoe>
all you need are 20 chinese kids in a closet with calculators
09:51
< AverageJoe>
no need for a computer
09:53
< JustBob>
Good thing I'm better than 20 chinese kids in a closet with calculators.
09:53
< JustBob>
'cause I gots me my motherfuckin' abacus.
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11:06
<@Tarinaky>
JustBob: Dare I ask why you aren't using LaTeX on Windows?
11:06
<@Tarinaky>
TeXworks is great.
11:09
<@Tarinaky>
08:34 < AverageJoe> apparently he was working on something and was willing to risk his job over it. << Like his pron collection.
11:10
<@Tarinaky>
So it could be both! :p
11:16
< JustBob>
Tarinaky - I haven't found a WYSIWYG editor that suits me, frankly.
11:17
< JustBob>
And since Word usually isn't doing retarded things, I just keep using it.
11:49
<@Tarinaky>
TeX Works isn't WYSIWYG...
11:50
< Syka>
WYSIWYG is kind of... backwards for tex
11:50
<@Tarinaky>
I count using 75% of your processor doing word processing as a retarded thing.
11:50
< Syka>
because it's the complete opposite of TeXs point
11:51
< Syka>
you describe what you want your content to be, and then you describe how you want the output to look like
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12:15 * JustBob points back a week or so at the entire conversation re: LaTeX and why he doesn't use it.
12:15
< JustBob>
And please, like you've never had a program just go insane and require a process-kill before.
12:16
< JustBob>
It /normally/ doesn't even show up as a fluctuation in my CPU usage. Shit happens, life moves on. It was just annoying because I was in the middle of dealing with a giant fucking equation and the slow-down threw my train of thought off.
12:17
< JustBob>
Anyway. WYSIWYG works better for me; visual sort. I can instantly reference and locate what I need with WYSIWYG; I can't do that in LaTeX, and that means that it drives me up the wall when I see \math\math\math\math instead of a properly formatted equation.
12:24
<@Tarinaky>
You'll forgive me if I drop the matter instead of looking back a week or so.
12:24
<@Tarinaky>
But whatever it is, I'm sure you're wrong ;)
12:25
<@TheWatcher>
Especially if you don't write it in Emacs!
12:26
<@TheWatcher>
>.>
12:26
<@TheWatcher>
<.<
12:26
<@Tarinaky>
If you go on the internet, and don't think everyone except yourself is wrong, you're doing it wrong ;p
12:27
<@Tarinaky>
Although if I was really witty, I'd ask you what you use as a text editor :p
12:48
< JustBob>
Notepad. :p
12:51
< Thalass|WT>
heh
12:51
< JustBob>
Tarinaky - Anyway, it comes down to the fact that I've been using Office since I've been able to type, and I know all of the systems and configs by muscle-memory. Swapping to LaTeX wouldn't appreciably increase the efficiency or productitivity, and it'd take me a while to learn it. Also, the WYSIWYG bit; I've /tried/ LaTeX before, and I even used to use it semi-regularly for some equation-heavy
12:51
< JustBob>
assignments. But the formatting really drove me up the wall since I format in-line with writing, and since it's not WYSIWYG... LaTeX isn't for me. :p
12:52
<@Tarinaky>
JustBob: I meant TheWatcher. If he uses emacs as his IDE, what does he use for text editing :p
12:52
<@Tarinaky>
JustBob: I wasn't being serious when I said you were wrong.
12:52
< JustBob>
Snort.
12:52
<@Tarinaky>
It was tongue in cheek.
12:52
< JustBob>
I was actually finishing my statement from above. :p
12:52
<@Tarinaky>
Okay.
12:53
< JustBob>
I'm tabbing between here and my giant facefuck of math.
12:53
<@Tarinaky>
There're no communal marker pens for the whiteboard in the common area anymore, which is sad.
12:53
<@Tarinaky>
So now the board looks professional and serious.
12:54
< JustBob>
Carry your own. Abuse the power!
12:54
<@Tarinaky>
Instead of having a giant mural of Cthulhu-RMS that needed erasing everytime prospective students visited.
12:54
< RichyB>
Tarinaky, please tell me that you have at least one photo of that
12:54
<@Tarinaky>
Now we have some perceptron notes, because the lecturer is shit - so we all badger the stats joint honors to explain it.
12:55
<@Tarinaky>
There's a photo somewhere but I don't have it.
12:55
<@Tarinaky>
A cheese of the day in the corner.
12:55
<@Tarinaky>
Some classical info theory in the midel
12:55
<@Tarinaky>
*middle
12:55
<@Tarinaky>
A reminder about the weekly barcrawl.
12:55
<@Tarinaky>
And my corner where I try to write the scariest and most intimidating math I can think of.
12:56
<@Tarinaky>
At the moment it's something abouut qubit operations being multiplications by unitary matrices and how the sqrt(NOT) is a 2x2 rotation matrix.
12:56
<@Tarinaky>
Because I lack imagination.
12:56
<@Tarinaky>
Matrices are good for looking scary though.
12:57
<@Tarinaky>
Just because of the information density they have.
12:57
< JustBob>
Heh.
12:57
< RichyB>
wait wait wait
12:57
< JustBob>
Here, throw this problem up on the board and see what happens, Tarinaky.
12:57
< RichyB>
qubit probabilities can be complex numbers?
12:57
<@Tarinaky>
Don't have a pen.
12:57
< JustBob>
"Timmy has five apples. He gives two away. Calculate the mass of the sun."
12:58
<@Tarinaky>
RichyB: Qubits are 2d vectors over complex fields multiplied by an arbitrary rotation in the complex plane...
12:58
<@Tarinaky>
RichyB: Their /probabilities/ are given by cos^2... which 'gets rid' of the complex part.
12:58
<@Tarinaky>
Because squaring a complex number gives a real.
12:59
<@Tarinaky>
Disclaimer: Ignore everything I say because I know nothing.
13:00
<@Tarinaky>
Wait, squaring a complex number doesn't give a real does it?
13:00
<@Tarinaky>
I... know nothing.
13:00
<@Tarinaky>
Meh.
13:00
<@TheWatcher>
But if you know nothing, how do you know that you know nothing?
13:00
<@Tarinaky>
I... don;t know.
13:01
<@Tarinaky>
I only know that I am a collection of bags of energy that dream they are a person.
13:02
< RichyB>
Squaring a complex number does not always yield a real
13:02
<@Tarinaky>
When I die, they will dream they are the earth and one day some of those bags of energy may dream they are a butterfly. And it will be the prettiest butterfly.
13:03
<@Tarinaky>
RichyB: There's some other math that gets rid of the complex number... somewhere.
13:03
< RichyB>
e.g. (1.0 120°)² == (1.0 240°)
13:03
<@Tarinaky>
Because the probability is cos^2 of the difference in angle between the two states...
13:03
<@Tarinaky>
So you take out the e^iA factor because it's physically irrelevant.
13:04
<@Tarinaky>
Then something-something-I -don't remember.
13:05 * Tarinaky goes find his notes.
13:07
<@Tarinaky>
Ah, I'm being a derp!
13:07
<@Tarinaky>
If you take the global phase out of the vector as a factor - ie a rotation in the complex phase.
13:07
<@Tarinaky>
Err, in the complex plane
13:07
<@Tarinaky>
You get a real vector.
13:07
<@Tarinaky>
Multiplied by a complex scalar.
13:07
<@Tarinaky>
And it's the real vector you use to calculate the probability.
13:08
<@Tarinaky>
And that's how you have qubits as a complex vector space!
13:08
<@Tarinaky>
Err, not a space.
13:08
<@Tarinaky>
Whatever.
13:09
<@Tarinaky>
Vector over a complex field :p
13:09
<@Tarinaky>
*Unit vector over a complex field
13:10
<@Tarinaky>
I should go prepare for my meeting.
13:13
<@Tarinaky>
Speaking of retarded - Skype is drawing 100% CPU :/
13:14
< JustBob>
See what I mean? :p
13:15
<@Tarinaky>
Skype is owned my Microsoft.
13:15
<@Tarinaky>
I blame Gates. Damn him, and his anti-malaria research.
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13:18
<@Azash>
You probably got pulled in as a node or something
13:41
<@Tarinaky>
Haha, there are no russian Malware writers.
13:42
<@Tarinaky>
All of the Malware for Windows is a cunning ploy to solve AIDS/Malaria/social-injustice crisis through harnessing the processing power of all the world's computers.
13:42
<@Tarinaky>
That's Microsoft's evil plan all along.
13:43
<@Tarinaky>
In other news, first year complaining about Javadocing something obvious like x as position.
13:43
<@Tarinaky>
I just had to point out we have these things called 'units'.
13:44
<@Tarinaky>
As an example I gave time... then a different fresher said he'd totally leave a function without documenting what unit of time it used,.
13:44
<@Tarinaky>
:/
13:44
<@Tarinaky>
We're doomed.
13:45
<@iospace>
good fucking gods i'm pissed off
13:45
<@Tarinaky>
Or maybe it's my background as a Physics drop-out that makes me care about units - I'm not s[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dure.
13:46
<@iospace>
i come in early today, expecting good news about the board I need to test. The news? Anything but
13:51
< RichyB>
Tarinaky, I suppose that now might be as good a time as any to beat them over the head with the accident reports from the Mars Climate Orbiter disaster.
14:04
< JustBob>
Speaking as a nuclear engineer...
14:04
< JustBob>
I am so sloppy with units it should terrify you.
14:05
< JustBob>
As this quote from yesterday morning might indicate: [09:44:26] <~JustBob> Pesky orders of magnitude. Mg/s is not mg/s. No wonder I was, uh. Nine orders of magnitude off. :3
14:08
<@Tarinaky>
It's okay, I'm just as bad.
14:08
<@Tarinaky>
I just make it a note to write down whatever wrong answer i think the units are :p
14:08
<@Tarinaky>
As a note to posterior about why I am a fuckup.
14:09
<@Azash>
iospace: What happened?
14:09
< JustBob>
I am having a hard time resisting the urge to convert all my perfectly sensible SI units to furlong/firkin/fortnight right now.
14:10
<@Tarinaky>
What's a firkin a unit of?
14:10
<@Tarinaky>
Mass?
14:10
< JustBob>
Yup. 90 pounds of water.
14:11
<@Tarinaky>
All I can remember of the joke is that a furlong/fortnight is about the same pace as a snail.
14:11
< JustBob>
Nah, slower than that. It's roughly a cm/min
14:11
<@Tarinaky>
There's a lot of variation in the speed of snails depending on the environment.
14:11
< JustBob>
Point there.
14:11
<@Tarinaky>
It's a good first order approximation.
14:12
<@Tarinaky>
I suppose that's the other thing that needs documenting. Margins of error :p
14:14
<@TheWatcher>
should use attoparsecs per microfortnight, damnit~
14:15
<@iospace>
Azash: lots of things
14:15
<@iospace>
things i really can't go into :/
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14:37
< Syka>
iospace: did the blue smoke go for a holiday
14:41 * iospace kicks Syka
14:42
< Syka>
D:
14:43
< Syka>
http://blog.docker.io/2013/11/docker-0-7-docker-now-runs-on-any-linux-distributi on/
14:44
< Syka>
"As of today, Docker no longer requires a patched Linux kernel"
14:44
< Syka>
I like how, before this, literally nothing mentioned it needed a special kernel
14:46
< Syka>
oh, thats cos it just werks on ubuntu
15:07 * TheWatcher had never even heard of Docker
15:13
<&ToxicFrog>
What's docker?
15:15
<@TheWatcher>
Apparently some means of distributing applications
15:18
< RichyB>
Ah, the AUFS dependency isn't surprising.
15:18
< RichyB>
*wasn't surprising.
15:19
< RichyB>
Linux mainline has been missing any kind of COW union filesystem for ages.
15:19
<&ToxicFrog>
Hasn't it had unionfs for like a decade?
15:20
< RichyB>
I thought so too
15:20
< RichyB>
but apparently that was always out-of-tree since forever
15:36
< Syka>
unionfs is different to aufs i think
15:37
< Syka>
ToxicFrog: docker is like a convenient chroot with cpu/ram limiting functionality
15:37
< Syka>
that is all ive managed to fi d
15:37
< Syka>
find
15:37
< Syka>
i asked some docker devs and they were like herp derp try the intro
15:37
< Syka>
which explains nothing
15:38
<@Tarinaky>
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/7/15/8/enhanced-buzz-28334 -1373889849-9.jpg << Aberystwyth...
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16:18
< JustBob>
Tarinaky - You'll love this one.
16:19
< JustBob>
Btu/hr-F-ft
16:19
< JustBob>
Convert that to W/m-k
16:19
<@Tarinaky>
Btu?
16:22
< ErikMesoy>
About a kilojoule.
16:23
<~Vornicus>
british thermal unit per hour farad feet?
16:25
< JustBob>
farenheight
16:25
< JustBob>
And one Btu = 1055.1 J
16:26
< JustBob>
This is why I hate textbooks that give half your data in English, and the other half in SI.
16:26
< JustBob>
I wound up saying fuckit and just finding an equation to solve for what I needed instead of using tabulated data.
16:27
<@Tarinaky>
I would like to emphasise the 'drop out' part of Physics drop out.
16:27
<@Tarinaky>
Also, that I'm European.
16:27
<@Tarinaky>
SI all the way~
16:27 * Vornicus tries to figure out the way to get W|A or google to use delta fahrenheit
16:27
<~Vornicus>
...probably just have to tell it rankine
16:27
<@Tarinaky>
(Except when buying petrol, milk, measuring the height of a human...)
16:28
<@Tarinaky>
(Oh, and beer in pubs - but not when buying bottles from supermarkets)
16:28
<@Tarinaky>
(I'm sure there are other exceptions I can't think of and just take for granted)
16:28
< JustBob>
Here's the part that's awesome, Vorn.
16:28
< JustBob>
1 F = 5/9 C, because it's not a temperature conversion.
16:29
< JustBob>
It's just an incremental.
16:29
< JustBob>
Incidentally, the data I computed had absolutely nothing to do with anything resembling actual values.
16:29
< JustBob>
The "right" value is ~15.5; I was getting 0.2 or so.
16:30
<~Vornicus>
JustBob: yeah, which is why I was talking about delta fahrenheit
16:31
< JustBob>
I'm up to 30 pages.
16:31
< JustBob>
This is one midterm.
16:31
< JustBob>
I'm not done yet. Fuck. My. Life.
16:31
< Syka>
Tarinaky: americans use SI units for the most american of beverages: soft drink
16:31
< Syka>
(which is sold in 2L bottles)
16:32
< Syka>
oh and drugs
16:32
<~Vornicus>
(and 1L, 0.5L, and 3L for the cheap supermarket stuff)
16:32
< Syka>
everyone uses SI for drugs
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16:33
< Syka>
really, thats the best endorsement for it
16:33
< JustBob>
Then explain the grains per mL standard. :p
16:33
< Syka>
isnt grains a gunpowder thing
16:33
<@Tarinaky>
Syka: I've seen the Wire, I know drug-dealers are smarter than cops :V
16:34
< Syka>
Tarinaky: just remember: crime doesnt pay
16:34
< Syka>
unless it does
16:34
<@Tarinaky>
Unless the crime's big enough to be able to afford a really good lawyer.
16:34
< Syka>
in which case it pays quite well
16:35
< Syka>
Tarinaky: or they have the power to dismiss it in the courts!
16:35
< JustBob>
Actually, I think the standard "weird one" in pharmacy is "grams per fluid ounce" or something.
16:36
< Syka>
one measurement i love is the LD50 of things
16:36
< Syka>
its basically "here is an amount that will kill 50% of people"
16:37
< Syka>
or at least theoretically
16:37
< Syka>
so you can play drug-toxicity-resistance roulette!
16:38
<@Tarinaky>
Technically it's the amount that'll kill a rat multiplied by the ratio between the size of the rat and the size of the ideal human...
16:38
<@Tarinaky>
So spherical chickens in a vacuum.
16:39
< Syka>
hehe
16:39
< Syka>
adds a bit more chance to it!
16:39
< Syka>
"was it just a shitty batch of rats" you have to ask yourself
16:39
<@Tarinaky>
It's not a guess if you include your error bars.
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