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| --- Log opened Thu Nov 14 00:57:57 2013 |
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| 01:37 | < Reiv_> | McMartin: What are you touching? |
| 01:38 | < Reiv_> | ToxicFrog: Why was it interesting yesterday |
| 01:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv_: let's just say there was a highly visible internal-facing networking incident and leave it at that. |
| 01:43 | < Reiv_> | ToxicFrog: Aw, the customers never noticed? |
| 01:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | No. It didn't affect anything customer-facing. |
| 01:44 | < Reiv_> | Bah, no fun at all~ |
| 01:46 | <&McMartin> | Reiv: Some code deep within our product |
| 01:46 | <&McMartin> | In an effort to recycle the data it reads and writes |
| 01:46 | <&McMartin> | I have no idea how any of this ever successfully ported to any platform |
| 01:49 | < Reiv_> | Ouch |
| 01:49 | < Reiv_> | I, meanwhile, am editing code due to a project that was hastily written as a Priority One Report with nontrivial complexity. |
| 01:50 | < Reiv_> | Because it broke due to said project. |
| 01:50 | < Reiv_> | Said report was written as a Priority One... because the previous project broke it too. |
| 01:51 | < Reiv_> | So now I'm editing XML stored in an RTF because when the sucker was handcoded we /didn't have a reporting front-end yet/. |
| 01:51 | < Reiv_> | Hooray legacy code~ |
| 01:53 | <&McMartin> | yyyep |
| 01:54 | <&McMartin> | This is code that is handling vstruct-style stuff by just chucking it into a block of memory and casting it to a struct with things like 17-bit-wide fields and hoping for the best. |
| 01:54 | <&McMartin> | So, uh, *apparently* the x86 compilers for MSVC and gcc agree on bitfield layout, but I'm not getting sensible results out of it when I look at the hex dumps "by hand" |
| 01:54 | <&McMartin> | So now I have to reverse engineer this bitfield format. |
| 01:55 | <&McMartin> | Not that this is difficult; I'm basically copy-pasting the reader code into a simple .cpp file and adding a main() that lets me name the file to point it at, but still, rarghbargle |
| 01:57 | < Reiv_> | This stuff lets the Meter Readers have paper write sheets. |
| 01:58 | < Reiv_> | It is thus SQL-driven XML in an RTF that is intended to handle nested for-each loops |
| 01:58 | < Reiv_> | And I have to add a new field and get it to align properly |
| 01:58 | < Reiv_> | (You can have multiple registers per meter, multiple meters per installation, and multiple installations per meter reader...) |
| 01:59 | < Reiv_> | Sidequery: Does RTF do tabstops? |
| 02:04 | < Reiv_> | because whoever wrote this didn't use them~ |
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| 02:47 | | * thalass eyes linux mint |
| 02:47 | < thalass> | yup. My sidewinder force feedback pro 2 is recognised... as a mouse. Throttle is a scroll wheel and everything. O.o |
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| 04:39 | <&McMartin> | Bleh. |
| 04:39 | | * McMartin returns from The Land Of Bending Java In Unnatural Ways |
| 04:40 | <&McMartin> | However, this will prove that we really do understand that horrible legacy code. |
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| 13:56 | <@Azash> | http://eleks.github.io/js2js/ |
| 13:57 | <@gnolam> | Hee |
| 14:09 | <@TheWatcher> | ... someone put entirely too much effort into something that copies javascript files from one place to another. |
| 14:13 | <@Azash> | Guessing it's meant to be a joke or parody |
| 14:23 | < AnnoDomini> | Why does a touchpad driver need to be 200+ MB? |
| 14:23 | < AnnoDomini> | The sizes of drivers nowadays is ridiculous. |
| 14:25 | < ToxicFrog_> | Because it's a 1MB driver bundled with 199MB of poorly written bloatware for ~customizing your touchpad experience~ |
| 14:25 | <@TheWatcher> | As much as 1MB?~ |
| 14:27 | <@Azash> | AnnoDomini: Because the install config is XML |
| 14:29 | <@iospace> | just remember guys |
| 14:29 | <@iospace> | proper pointer snorting is key |
| 14:32 | < simon> | hmm |
| 14:32 | < simon> | aren't there any classical lexer generators as embedded DSLs? |
| 14:32 | < simon> | I'm trying to think if there's any non-annoying ways to do this in ML. |
| 14:33 | < simon> | e.g. specify productions and functions they reduce to as native ML combinators. |
| 14:33 | < simon> | s/productions/regexes and states/ |
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| 14:51 | < simon> | I don't like the choice between "Yacc-like generator that produces nice LALR(1) parser program, but requires an out-of-language compile step" and "LL(k)-riddled parser combinator with lots of backtracking, bad error messages, but nicely embedded in my language". |
| 14:55 | < ToxicFrog_> | FWIW scala's parsing.combinator library is nicely embedded and has excellent error messages. |
| 14:55 | < ToxicFrog_> | No idea what the performance is like though. |
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| 15:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Ohgods, someone shoot me, I'm reading RFC2822 |
| 15:35 | < AnnoDomini> | That's not IRC. |
| 15:35 | < ErikMesoy> | (?:[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+(?:\.[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+)*|"(?:[\x01-\x0 8\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21\x23-\x5b\x5d-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x09\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x7f])*")@(?: (?:[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?\.)+[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?|\[(?:(?:25 [0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)\.){3}(?:25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]? |[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9]:(?:[\x01-\x08\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21-\x5a\x53-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x 09\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x7f])+)\]) |
| 15:36 | < ErikMesoy> | (That's a regex for validating email addresses according to RFC2822.) |
| 15:36 | < AnnoDomini> | Does it? |
| 15:38 | < ErikMesoy> | For basic addresses, yes. I haven't done exhaustive testing. |
| 15:39 | | * TheWatcher merely notes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JENdgiAPD6c |
| 15:39 | < ErikMesoy> | One of the reasons for this is that RFC2822 allows comments, which in turn are allowed to contain escaped special characters. |
| 15:40 | < ErikMesoy> | (In the email address, just to be clear.) |
| 15:40 | < AnnoDomini> | TheWatcher: I've been looking for that lecture! :D |
| 15:43 | | * TheWatcher hates all over header folding and CFWS |
| 15:45 | <@TheWatcher> | (I'd dealy love to find the person who came up with that, stuff their every orifice with flesh-eating beetles and then feed them into a wood chipper, feet-first) |
| 15:45 | < simon> | ErikMesoy, http://www.regular-expressions.info/email.html says that RFC 5322 says what a valid email address is: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.4 |
| 16:52 | <@Azash> | 17:25 <@Shiz> < directhex> alexrp, there's a bug in the loongson 2e's "nop" implementation, apparently |
| 16:52 | <@Azash> | 17:26 <@Shiz> apparently sometimes nop causes a cpu deadlock |
| 16:58 | <@Azash> | http://qz.com/147313/ciscos-disastrous-quarter-shows-how-nsa-spying-could-freeze -us-companies-out-of-a-trillion-dollar-opportunity/ |
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| 18:11 | | * Derakon mutters at WxWidgets. |
| 18:12 | <&Derakon> | I love how you can call SetSize() on a panel and have it still be tiny because there's nothing actually in it. |
| 18:12 | <&Derakon> | I want to reserve the space for when there will be something in it! |
| 18:12 | < ErikMesoy> | Put invisible things in it? |
| 18:12 | < ErikMesoy> | Put things in it, size it, and remove things? |
| 18:12 | <&Derakon> | Then they'd take up space when I actually put the visible things in it. |
| 18:12 | <&Derakon> | I shouldn't have to do stupid bullshit little workarounds, is my point. |
| 18:13 | < ErikMesoy> | Why are you using SetSize in the first place? |
| 18:14 | <&Derakon> | Like I said, to reserve space in an initially-empty panel, so that when I put things into it later, it has the right size already. |
| 18:14 | <&Derakon> | (And also because otherwise the window would be hard to find) |
| 18:14 | < ErikMesoy> | Use SetSizeHints(minW, minH) ? |
| 18:15 | <&Derakon> | Oh, SetMinSize does what I want. |
| 18:16 | <&Derakon> | SetSize()'s documentation is "Sets the size of the window in pixels." |
| 18:16 | <&Derakon> | That rather sounds like what I want, but noooo~ |
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| 21:20 | | * Derakon swears at Google Groups. |
| 21:20 | <&Derakon> | I have to subscribe to this mailing list to be able to post to it. Reasonable. |
| 21:20 | <&Derakon> | So where the fuck is the subscribe link. |
| 21:21 | <&Derakon> | wxPython's "subscribe to list" link takes you to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/wxpython-users |
| 21:21 | <@Tamber> | I thought Google Groups went into "read only" mode *ages* ago. (I could be imagining things, though.) |
| 21:22 | <&Derakon> | This isn't Usenet. |
| 21:22 | <&Derakon> | I think they repurposed the "Google Groups" name to refer to mailing lists they administrate. |
| 21:22 | < AnnoDomini> | Haha. |
| 21:22 | <@Tamber> | Oh, lovely. |
| 21:22 | < AnnoDomini> | I definitely set up a mailing list using Google recently. |
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| 21:23 | | * Derakon blarghs, is fortunately still subscribed to wx-users, will just send the message there instead of to wxpython-users. |
| 21:23 | <&Derakon> | Dunno what I'll do if I unsubscribe from wx-users, because fuck if I can tell how to resubscribe! |
| 21:30 | <@Namegduf> | I went there and I see a huge "Join group to post" button. |
| 21:31 | <&Derakon> | ...how odd. I don't. |
| 21:31 | <@Namegduf> | On other groups I'm a member of I seem to be able to choose how I want to receive messages. |
| 21:31 | <@Namegduf> | Weird. |
| 21:31 | <@Namegduf> | You're logged into Google, right? |
| 21:31 | < ErikMesoy> | Does the button have a link you can pass? |
| 21:32 | <&Derakon> | This may be some aspect of the administrative system. |
| 21:32 | <&Derakon> | Since I'm logged into a subdomain (msg.ucsf.edu). |
| 21:32 | <&Derakon> | And there's a box that says "You have limited access to public groups inside your domain. Contact your domain administrator for more information." |
| 21:32 | <&Derakon> | If that's making me be read-only for technical mailing lists...then fuck UCSF. |
| 21:32 | <@Namegduf> | Ah. Sounds like your domain admin has banned you from joining public groups. |
| 21:32 | <&Derakon> | They also ban me from IRC~ |
| 21:33 | <@Namegduf> | Switch to your real Google Account and use that one. |
| 21:33 | | * Namegduf assumes everyone has one outside of domain as well as inside |
| 21:33 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, that works. |
| 21:33 | <&Derakon> | Jesus. |
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