code logs -> 2013 -> Mon, 28 Oct 2013< code.20131027.log - code.20131029.log >
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10:32
<@Tarinaky>
Working Soviet dystopic immagery into this assignment is the only way I can think of to make it tolerable.
10:32
<@Tarinaky>
Glorious Waterfall Method! Praise to the Great Leader and his Five Year (project) Plan!
10:58
<@TheWatcher>
Pft
10:59
<@TheWatcher>
Please don't tell me that you're dealing with one of the adherants to the Old School of Discredited Development Models there?
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<@Tarinaky>
TheWatcher: To be honest I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing with/in this assignment.
11:06
<@Tarinaky>
Apparently some people have been emailing as they've struggled to stay within the page limit of 2.
11:07
<@Tarinaky>
I can barely fill half a sheet... with Latex Margins no less!
11:08
<@TheWatcher>
You obviously need to work on your padding bullshit~
11:08
<@Tarinaky>
I've never been very good at padding.
11:15
<@froztbyte>
it's kinda worrying when having cpanel on a hosting platform would be better than the people who are running it atm
11:15
<@TheWatcher>
... ow
11:18
<@froztbyte>
yeah.
11:18
<@froztbyte>
you have no idea.
11:18
<@froztbyte>
to start, I have to use a checkpoint vpn (which is basically just ipsec in a vendor flavour, like client side vendor field verification) that's policy-configured to only work on w7 and w8
11:19
<@froztbyte>
to be able to ssh to a shared-rhel environment
11:19
<@froztbyte>
where I'm supposed to "just drop" some python django files
11:19
<@froztbyte>
this, naturally, doesn't actually work
11:19
<@froztbyte>
because they have a site-compiled apache and python
11:19
<@froztbyte>
both of which I'm guessing actually have a couple of 0days in them
11:19
<@froztbyte>
I haven't actually checked, for fear of damaging the vendor relation
11:20
<@TheWatcher>
>.<
11:22
<@froztbyte>
there's a mcaffee or something antivirus process on there
11:22
<@froztbyte>
constantly burns 100% on one core
11:22
<@froztbyte>
so great
11:22
<@Tarinaky>
If we have a process that repeatedly scans for viruses we can't get infected, right guys?
11:22
<@Tarinaky>
Security!
11:23
<@froztbyte>
as far as I've been able to tell, it's actually misconfigured too
11:23
<@froztbyte>
it doesn't actually appear to be checking the traffic to the host
11:23
<@froztbyte>
or files on it
11:28
<@TheWatcher>
O.o
11:36
<@froztbyte>
yeah.
11:36
<@Tarinaky>
I am Mordac! Preventer of Information Services!
11:42 * gnolam reads up.
11:44
< Reiver>
'waterfall'. AKA 'normal project model'.
11:44
< Reiver>
AKA what actual buisness does when the so-called Agile isn't viable.
11:45 * Reiver is not an adherent to the buzzword laden names. Even if 'agile' is indeed a sexy bit of marketing speak...
11:45
<@TheWatcher>
"waterfall" as in "doomed to hilariously unusuable, missing important features, and generally shit project model"
11:45
<@gnolam>
Much of Waterfall's accumulated hate actually comes from improper application
11:45
<@Tarinaky>
Waterfall comes from a paper that begins "Here is a model that doesn't work"
11:46
<@Tarinaky>
When implemented correctly, it is not, in fact, Waterfall.
11:46
<@TheWatcher>
My experience is that waterfall works perfectly in exactly one situation: where you already know the entire problem space in advance, every programmer involved has already written at least one similar system, and the only end users are the people who create the system.
11:48
<@Tarinaky>
I have no idea how to pad out this assignment any more :/
11:48
<@froztbyte>
TheWatcher: basically, when you're just rehashing shit
11:52
< Syka>
i love the bit where the java updater asks me to install a toolbar
11:53
< Reiver>
thewatcher - or when you're replacing heavily used and integrated systems with a replacement which has massive grandfathered in pre-requisites, known functionality, and precisely one chance to train end users.
11:54
< Reiver>
in actual business, this type of task is worryingly common.
11:54
< Syka>
also, 3 billion devices use java
11:54
< Syka>
this has been their tagline since like 2010
11:54
< Syka>
has java adoption levelled off?
11:55
< Reiver>
agile is 'figure it out as we go'; my reports do this a lot. waterfall is 'here is our Thing, go repave it'
11:55
< Syka>
apparently java runs on my credit card!
11:59
< Reiver>
some days you really do have only one iteration cycle visible to the end user. :-P
12:07
< RichyB>
froztbyte, yes, but sometimes you do have a genuine need to rehash shit. :)
12:07
<@froztbyte>
RichyB: true, true
12:07
<@froztbyte>
RichyB: not as often as corporates imagine one needs to, I guess, but nonetheless
12:08
< RichyB>
I have the impression that corporates are allergic to "let's rewrite everything from scratch for the Hell of it" but all the my personal "experience" on that comes from working under a boss of a small company who reads http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html every night before going to bed.
12:12
<@froztbyte>
I should read that sometime
12:12 * froztbyte leaves the tab open
12:12
<@Tarinaky>
Ah! I've managed to make my assignment fit the requirements for 2 pages!
12:12
<@Tarinaky>
I've increased the font size~
12:13 * Tarinaky ducks.
12:14
<@TheWatcher>
snerk
12:49
< RichyB>
72pt or 144pt?
12:52
<@Tarinaky>
12pt.
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<@Tarinaky>
http://thecodelesscode.com/case/116
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<@TheWatcher>
For a moment there they decided to go all l337 on me, I somehow typed 'c0d3' twice..
13:59
<@TheWatcher>
At least the keys are next to each other >.<
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< thalass>
heh
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<@simon`>
can anyone here recommend an easy way to perform portknocking on windows?
15:37
< AnnoDomini>
Pebbles.
15:40
< RichyB>
simon`, configure a firewall for it or perform it?
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<@iospace>
lovely
17:34
<@Tamber>
Not even *creative* assholes.
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<@froztbyte>
Tamber's being hopeful
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<@Tamber>
I know, right?
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<@ErikMesoy>
Righto
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<@simon`>
RichyB, sorry for the delay. I meant: to perform a portknock.
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<@Tarinaky>
Congrats, today you're important enough to even try annoying.
18:20
<@iospace>
oh?
18:20 * Tarinaky points at the skiddie spam above.
18:20
<@iospace>
heh yeah
18:20
<@froztbyte>
simon`: I found a thing once, lemme try re-find it
18:21
<@Tarinaky>
Maybe he's in the same class as that 12 year old Canadian member of Anonymous that's in the news today.
18:21
<@iospace>
heh
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<@Tamber>
*snrk*
18:23
<@simon`>
froztbyte, ok :)
18:23
<@iospace>
Tarinaky: who now what? :V
18:28
<@Tarinaky>
Okay, saying it's in the news is a little generous.
18:28
<@iospace>
heh
18:30
<@Tarinaky>
It was a small article published in a Canadian tabloid and given the air of publicity elsewhere on the internet before making its way, eventually, to my Facebook feed.
18:33
<@froztbyte>
simon`: blah, can't find the name now
18:33
<@froztbyte>
http://www.portknocking.org/view/implementations might serve though
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<@Azash>
http://i.imgur.com/xvNRKIT.png
19:34
< ScootPhone>
Quote from work: they really like the dark meat!
19:44
<@iospace>
meaaaaaaaaaat
19:48
< ScootPhone>
Anyone here have thoughts on accounting software?
19:50
<&McMartin>
I assume this is something more specialized than, like, Excel
19:51
< ScootPhone>
Yes. My company currently uses quickbooks online. We're pondering other solutions.
19:52
<&McMartin>
I'm afraid I can't help you. It's possible others might.
19:52
<&McMartin>
That sounds vaguely familiar though; it might be what my company uses too.
19:56
< ScootPhone>
QB online is entirely cloud based, but there's some functionality we feel it is missing. I'm supposed to figure out pros and cons.
19:57
<&McMartin>
Something to keep an eye out for is that a lot of these SaaS guys even when they aren't cloud-based put in something like Ubisoft's old DRM
19:58
<&McMartin>
Where even though the data's on your server you can't access it without phoning in to their servers
20:00
<@RichyB>
er
20:00
<@RichyB>
"SaaS" "on your server"
20:00
<@RichyB>
wat
20:01
<@RichyB>
Half the point of selling SaaS to people is that you just run your own machines, you don't have to waste your life supporting other peoples' fucked up ubuntu/slackware/maybe some fool tried running it under Cygwin/whatever installs.
20:02
<@Namegduf>
The other half is to charge a subscription fee instead of a one-off payment.
20:02
<@Namegduf>
Which which a quite lucrative half.
20:03
<@Namegduf>
*Which is
20:04
<&ToxicFrog>
RichyB: "SaaS on your server" is "client IT deploys it on a server, everyone at the site accesses it through the browser"
20:05
<&ToxicFrog>
So you aren't dependent on the provider (or the site internet connection) for it to work, and if the company goes under you can presumably get the data off the server, but you also don't need to install software on all the client machines.
20:05
<@RichyB>
I really strongly disagree with the claim that that counts as SaaS unless you are supplying the box(es) that it comes on as a turnkey "rack it, supply ethernet+power+cold air and we do everything from there".
20:05
<&ToxicFrog>
Of course, this is only a win if they don't implement what McM is talking about.
20:05
<&ToxicFrog>
RichyB: from the point of view of everyone at the company except IT, it is entirely SaaS.
20:06
<@RichyB>
I think that that's rather better dealt with using contract terms that cause sensible things to happen to data upon unfortunate events such as the company unwinding.
20:10
< ScootPhone>
What kind of sensible options are there?
20:11
< ScootPhone>
I mean, the whole concept mind of bugs me: if we were to go with QB on our own server, they still charge a monthly/yearly fee
20:12
< ScootPhone>
Their software doesn't change that much, why can't I just buy it?
20:13
<@RichyB>
because the selfish fuckers want to be able to pay their rent and buy food every year, not just the years on which they release a new version
20:14
<@RichyB>
Can't really blame 'em for that.
20:15
<@RichyB>
See also: finally getting rid of the economic incentive forcing software houses to stay on the ridiculous treadmill of increasingly user-hostile new versions to justify re-selling the same widget annually.
20:15
<@Tarinaky>
Isn't selling support the middle path between those two extremes?
20:16
<@Tarinaky>
We sell you the binary blob you can deploy, and you can rent one of our engineers to march about your office as a whipping boy.
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<@RichyB>
Tarinaky, yes.
20:47
<&McMartin>
That's not always enough
20:47 * McMartin <-- engineer for a medium-sized startup that sells to megacorps
20:48
<&McMartin>
You don't want me on site. You don't even want me *on calls*. I'll be too honest and too unaware of business realities.
20:48
<&McMartin>
As a result, you'll get results faster than you can actually overcome your own bureaucratic inertia to absorb them.
20:48
<@froztbyte>
get the work done
20:48
<@froztbyte>
point fingers later
20:49
<&McMartin>
There's a refreshing amount of "don't point fingers at all" I've found
20:49
<&McMartin>
With occasional hilarity, and I'm not sure how much of it is my own naivete.
20:49
<@froztbyte>
depends where you are, I guess
20:49
<&McMartin>
My idea of what counts as "critical" is certainly different from theirs, in both directions.
20:49
<@froztbyte>
did you readsup earlier to my little tale of where cpanel could have been a better thing?
20:49
<&McMartin>
This is what field engineers are for~
20:50
<@froztbyte>
if not
20:50
<@froztbyte>
go enjoy my pain
20:50
<&McMartin>
(My favorite instance of this was where "installing your software bluescreens on every boot" was reported as an "anomaly" of mild interest)
20:50
<@froztbyte>
I share it willingly
20:50
<@froztbyte>
McMartin: haha
20:51
<@RichyB>
ÔŽif that's considered an "anomaly", what's the other side's idea of a "critical" issue?
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20:53
<&McMartin>
RichyB: Boot times are 40% slower than we think they should be!
20:53
<&McMartin>
And a number of things where I agree they are critical issues, but those are less fun~
20:54
<&McMartin>
(frex, Our software works alongside VMware stuff, and a major regression appeared in VMplayer 5 and is still unfixed. We've been scrambling for workarounds and half the time it's turning up fuckups in their own IT setup)
20:54
<&McMartin>
(including runaway virus scanners, so, um, protip: see if that 100% core scanner is repeatedly scanning its own log files, which change as it does, thus prompting a new scan)
20:54
<&McMartin>
(Because AIUI we ran into that one last week~)
20:55
<&McMartin>
(Wasn't McAfee, though)
20:56
<&McMartin>
RichyB: As for the "anomaly" apparently the thinking was "this is only happening on this one kind of machine, so we can just have Mordac forbid it and the problem goes away"
20:56
<&McMartin>
As opposed to my lens which was "oh, if these four conditions hold that NULL wasn't checked after all"
21:13
<&ToxicFrog>
"We have a problem. Instead of working, it crashes."
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< Harlow>
If an enumeration goes "unhanded" in a switch statement, what can be the possible consequences?
22:38
<&McMartin>
Varies by language
22:38
<&McMartin>
It's always best form to have a "default: " clause.
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<&McMartin>
Ugh.
23:37
<&McMartin>
I'm looking over some of my older published assembler code and want to rewrite it.
23:40
<@froztbyte>
I see 3 mistakes
23:41
<@froztbyte>
no, wait
23:41
<@froztbyte>
4
23:42
<@froztbyte>
(publishing, asm, nostalgia, desire to change it)
23:44
<@RichyB>
5
23:44
<@RichyB>
, desire)
23:44
<&McMartin>
Not a Buddhist
23:44
<@RichyB>
Free yourself from it and enlightenment will be much closer to within your grasp. ;)
23:44
<@RichyB>
Heehee.
23:45
<@froztbyte>
RichyB: haha
23:45
<&McMartin>
While it is true that Simply Not Giving A Shit makes you a lot less worried about stuff, it does not result in appropriate published code.
23:45
<&McMartin>
("published" here means "on my web page")
23:47
<@froztbyte>
I did include that as one of the mistakes~
23:49
<&McMartin>
Heh
23:49
<&McMartin>
Archives, man
23:49
<&McMartin>
Though I'm starting to wonder if it actually makes sense to first teach assembler on something without an MMU
23:51
<&McMartin>
This is vaguely relevant because I'm running out of things my current Monocle demo program can do
23:51
<&McMartin>
Which means I'll need to write something gamelike soon
23:54
<@froztbyte>
tron~!
23:54
<@froztbyte>
actually I still don't quite actually know what monocle does
23:54
<@froztbyte>
so that might not be a fitting suggestion
23:54
<&McMartin>
I kinda want it to be single-player
23:55
<&McMartin>
But I am digging around that era of arcade-y games and old type-in BASIC stuff
23:55
<&McMartin>
I may do a Deflector variant with pixels
23:55
<@froztbyte>
what about the Worm game?
23:55
<&McMartin>
Played the shit out of my port of Deflector to the TI-85 back in chemistry class
23:55
<@froztbyte>
I forget its actual name
23:55
<&McMartin>
"Worm" or "Snake"
23:55
<@froztbyte>
yeah, that thing
23:55
<@froztbyte>
that might be another thing to poke at
23:55
<&McMartin>
I want something that's more pixel-addressed-sprite based.
23:56
<&McMartin>
Snake is kind fundamentally tiled
23:56
<@froztbyte>
doesn't have to be
23:56
<&McMartin>
And GORILLAS.BAS is too sophisticated and fiddly
23:56
<@froztbyte>
throw tradition to the windy wolves
23:56
<&McMartin>
Well, modify it enough and it stops being that game
23:56
<@froztbyte>
and make it so that people can turn WHEREVER THEY WANT
23:56
<@froztbyte>
and do diagonals
23:57
<&McMartin>
That moves into a game about Bezier curves, which is not Monocle~
23:57 * froztbyte would play that for at least 15min
23:57
<@froztbyte>
McMartin: haha
23:57
<@froztbyte>
McMartin: mmmmm
23:57
<&McMartin>
Monocle is a reimplementation of the basics of the Iji/Gunpoint/Hotline Miami engine.
23:57
<@froztbyte>
lemme try find this quickly
23:57
<&McMartin>
Basically a resource manager, audio handler, and extremely basic forward kinematics and collision detection
23:57
<@froztbyte>
http://dosgamer.com/urthworm/ --- screenshot not applicable
23:58
<@froztbyte>
would that be fitting?
23:58
<&McMartin>
The screenshot would honestly be more fitting
23:58
<@froztbyte>
ah
23:59
<&McMartin>
I want shooty bits for this, the part that needs adding is the forward kinematics and collision detection
23:59
<@froztbyte>
ah I see
23:59
<@froztbyte>
duck hunt? ;p
23:59
<&McMartin>
Air-Sea Battle, more like
23:59
<@froztbyte>
good
23:59
<&McMartin>
But Deflector was actually fun~
23:59
<@froztbyte>
because I was about to run out of knowledge of classics
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