code logs -> 2013 -> Wed, 16 Oct 2013< code.20131015.log - code.20131017.log >
--- Log opened Wed Oct 16 00:00:11 2013
--- Day changed Wed Oct 16 2013
00:00
< simon`>
[R], yes, certainly more interesting things happen in IRCDs.
00:01
< simon`>
Tarinaky, right.
00:01
< simon`>
Tarinaky, or at least, it works best that way. :)
00:02
<@Tarinaky>
For given values of 'works', like any sufficiently advanced software :p
00:06
< [R]>
That's generally how one would want to handle data to a spec.
00:07
<@Tarinaky>
I have low expectations in all theatres of my life.
00:17 * ToxicFrog finally gets around to building a custom kernel with ZFS integrated
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00:21
<&Derakon>
Is this what you do for fun, TF?
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00:24
<&ToxicFrog>
Derakon: no, but being able to use a zfs-hosted rootfs will be nice
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03:11 * Derakon mutters at vim.
03:11
<&Derakon>
I have a file with lines that consist solely of e.g. "[1]", "[25]", etc.
03:11
<&Derakon>
I want to replace them with "[01-1]", "[01-25]", etc.
03:11
<&Derakon>
:%g/^\[\d/s/\(\d+\)/01-\1
03:12
<&Derakon>
Doesn't actually do anything, and I don't know why.
03:12
<&Derakon>
The g search is finding the lines correctly.
03:12
<~Vornicus>
Don't you need the ending / on the s replace?
03:12
<~Vornicus>
like s/foo/bar/?
03:13
< [R]>
Derakon: Try it in the s///g form?
03:13
<&Derakon>
No, it's implicit.
03:13 * [R] has never seen the g/// form
03:13
<&Derakon>
[R]: that would only work on a single line at a time.
03:13
< [R]>
%s///g is what I use all the time.
03:13
<&Derakon>
g is "find lines that match this pattern, then follow up with a command".
03:13
<&Derakon>
So e.g. "g/hello/d" would delete all lines that match "hello".
03:14
<&Derakon>
It's useful for constraining other operations.
03:14
<~Vornicus>
um
03:14
< [R]>
Have you done a replace with the g// operator?
03:14
<~Vornicus>
:%g/^\[\d/s/\[\d+\]/01-\1
03:14
<&Derakon>
Yes.
03:15
<&Derakon>
g/pattern/s/search/replace/
03:15
<~Vornicus>
oh, wait, that's a...
03:15
<~Vornicus>
It's grouping operator. Scratch what I did, don't escape your parentheses
03:15
< [R]>
Oh, that's a messed up thing.
03:18 * Derakon figures out a different way to accomplish the same goal, without using backreferences but with using two search/replace operations.
03:18
<&Derakon>
:w
03:18
<&Derakon>
...whoops, that was meant for my terminal~
03:18
< [R]>
Got it
03:19
< [R]>
:%g/^\[\d/s/\(\d\+\)/01-\1/g
03:19
<&Derakon>
...oh, you have to escape the +, right.
03:19
< [R]>
1) You needed to escape the + 2) you needed a group on the \d\+
03:19
<&Derakon>
I'd tried grouping before, but it didn't help (and I dimly recalled it auto-grouping when using aggregators like +).
03:20
< [R]>
(Was using V's as the base)
03:20
<&Derakon>
Totally forgot about escaping the +.
03:22
< [R]>
Hate it when shit uses old-regex :/
03:22 * Derakon eyes the next problem: scripting this image server website so he can batch-upload images. Would be straightforward, but the website requires a login first.
03:28
< [R]>
!
03:28
< [R]>
Found out how to make it do an extended regex
03:29
< [R]>
(That is you don't need to escape parens or +)
03:29
< [R]>
Before the pattern (after the first / of the command) put \v
03:36
<&Derakon>
Good to know.
03:38
<&ToxicFrog>
Derakon: usually, you can just log in with a browser and then loot the cookie store.
03:38
<&Derakon>
Yeah, I found a stackoverload thread on doing that with wget.
03:39
<&ToxicFrog>
Alternately, make the login request yourself, if the language you're working in lets you - that's how bltool handles it.
03:40
<&Derakon>
...erk, lpix.org doesn't keep a consistent file root. One image is stored under 1456173 and the other under 1456319.
03:41
<&Derakon>
That appears to be an image serial number, in fact, which implies that there are 1.45 million images on the store.
03:41
<&ToxicFrog>
I can believe it.
03:41
<&ToxicFrog>
Somewhere I have some code for uploading stuff to lpix and getting the resulting URL, hang on
03:42
<&ToxicFrog>
(part a larger LaTeXish-to-BBcode project)
03:42
<&Derakon>
I'll probably just scrape the gallery page and extract the URLs that way.
03:43
<&ToxicFrog>
...hmm. Maybe I didn't finish it.
03:44
< [R]>
Wow, the vimdocs seem to refuse to explain what the g modifier does, let alone what other modifiers are in the same class.
03:45
<&Derakon>
:g is basically a grep command.
03:45
<&Derakon>
/g is "apply this pattern to every match on the line".
03:46
<&ToxicFrog>
/global
03:46 * simon` has been writing on his monad tutorials for several hours now.
03:46
< [R]>
I know what it does
03:47
< [R]>
I'm more interested in the /other things/ that can go there.
03:48
<&Derakon>
At the end of a pattern? Or with the grep command?
03:49
< [R]>
At the end of a vim pattern
03:50
<&ToxicFrog>
Wow, building the kernel takes forever.
03:57
< [R]>
Tarinaky: Derakon: one of you wanted something like this http://www.karrels.org/Ed/ACM/
04:01
<&Derakon>
Wasn't me.
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04:57
< [R]>
Oh it was Azash
04:57
< [R]>
Azash: http://www.karrels.org/Ed/ACM/
05:07
< [R]>
"Eventually you‚ll discover the Easter egg in Git: all meaningful operations can be expressed in terms of the rebase command. Once you figure that out it all makes sense. I thought the joke would be obvious: rebase, freebase, as in what was Linus smoking?" -- Linus
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10:58 * Tarinaky mutters some generic curses at Ubuntu's network manager.
10:58
<@Tarinaky>
Why won't it just Do The Right Thing.
10:58
< Syka>
because it's network-manager
10:58
<@Tarinaky>
wicd does the right thing :/
10:58
< Syka>
use wicd then :P
10:59
<@Tarinaky>
Wicd isn't installed or set up. Because Ubuntu :/
11:00
<@Tarinaky>
Story: I migrate between two locations with different wireless networks. I have the username/password for both stored in my keychain. When the laptop comes on, it does not automatically 'fail back' onto the first available network it knows how to connect to, it just sits there, being disconnected.
11:00
<@Tarinaky>
Desired behavior: Do The Right Thing.
11:02
<@Tarinaky>
(Also, the wicd gui sucks and is buggy as all sin, which is a good reason not to use it >.>)
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12:39
< [R]>
Tarinaky: because the "right thing" is about as foriegn to the Network-Manager devs as the realization their measurement units are horribly archaic is to most Americans. We're talking about a daemon whose behavior includes removing all setting information from all interfaces and shutting them down when it closes.
12:39
<@Tarinaky>
On the up-side, network-manager handles roaming between AP better than wicd.
12:40
<@Tarinaky>
wicd can get into a real mess with that :/
12:40
<@Tarinaky>
*APs
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13:30
<@froztbyte>
it's cute to watch people complain about network-manager
13:30
<@froztbyte>
when they usually mean "gnome's use of it"
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<@froztbyte>
Tarinaky: what I'd guess is happening with that first thing you mentioned
13:33
<@froztbyte>
is that it doesn't get beacons for the SSIDs you want by the time it goes logic, and it's not doing TryHard mode
13:33
<@froztbyte>
flag them as system connections
13:33
<@froztbyte>
that should probably have it try a little bit harder
13:34
<@froztbyte>
I don't know what the keychain interactions are when you (presumably?) have your session locked
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<@Tarinaky>
froztbyte: I am not running Gnome. I am using OpenBox :p
14:20
<@froztbyte>
Tarinaky: are you running knetworkmanager as the client interface to NM?
14:20
<@Tarinaky>
No.
14:20
<@froztbyte>
does openbox have its own client interface?
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14:56
<@Tarinaky>
Is there any way to get debug/warning/error information out of Thunderbird on Windows?
14:56
<@Tarinaky>
I have a problem and I don't know what it is.
14:57
<@Tarinaky>
There's no error message but it's downloading indefinitely
14:58
<@Tarinaky>
I can't google usefully because the only symptom I have is 'not working'.
15:08
< simon`>
hmm
15:08 * simon` has been playing http://www.kongregate.com/games/EdgebeeStudios/swords-and-potions-2 for two hours now
15:08
< simon`>
it suddenly reminded me that I used to play these kinds of games with one of my friends on paper
15:08
< simon`>
did you ever play construction-based / adventure games on paper?
15:22
<&ToxicFrog>
Tarinaky: you have more symptoms than that. I'd try [thunderbird windows stuck downloading forever], for example.
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<@Tarinaky>
Except I'm not sure it's downloading anything.
15:25
<@Tarinaky>
Since I'm getting no emails.
15:27
< RichyB>
Tarinaky, wireshark?
15:28
<@Tarinaky>
Any idea how to delete the password stored in Thunderbird and leave the rest of the setting s intact?
15:28
<@Tarinaky>
So it prompts me for ma password.
15:28
<@Tarinaky>
Sorry for typos, my SSH connection is dying a bit.
15:30
<@Tarinaky>
nm, fiybd ut.,
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<@Tarinaky>
*found it
15:34
<@Tarinaky>
Come on. I just want an application specific password.
15:34
<@Tarinaky>
Load the fucking page.
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20:49
< Ogredude>
okay I have a puzzle to solve
20:50
< Ogredude>
A patch and a target file. The file may or may not contain the chunk to be patched. The target chunk could appear anywhere in the file.
20:50
< Ogredude>
If the chunk is in the target file, it should patch. If not, it should exit with a success code.
20:51
< Ogredude>
any ideas? I'm freakin stuck.
20:51
<@froztbyte>
`patch -p0` ?
20:52
<@froztbyte>
that is, the patch binary, which has a somewhat sane ability to do these kind of things
20:52
< Ogredude>
hrmm, really?
20:52
< Ogredude>
damn, I figured if git apply couldn't do it...
20:53
<@froztbyte>
if I'm trying to solve problems, there are very few cases where I'd start by looking at git
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20:55
< Ogredude>
heh
20:56
< Ogredude>
well either it doesn't work, or it won't work with a patch made from git diff
20:56
<@froztbyte>
haha
20:56
<@froztbyte>
well like, I tried to compile a static version of git earlier tonight
20:56
<@froztbyte>
(and a non-static)
20:56
<@froztbyte>
and the entire thing is just full of lies
20:57
<@froztbyte>
so it's comforting to know that git is consistently shitty across the whole scope of it
20:57
< Ogredude>
actually I figured that patch was just what git was wrapping
20:57 * froztbyte is not a fan
20:57
< Ogredude>
and patch says that it can apply the patch even if the line numbers are different, as long as the surrounding context is the same
20:57
< Ogredude>
and it is
20:57
< Ogredude>
and it rejected
20:59
< Ogredude>
https://gist.github.com/784f0c4804b1cd1a59ae
21:01
< Ogredude>
I guess in this case I could get away with a regexp
21:02
< Ogredude>
if I could figure out one that'd replace Slider with Artslider, slider with artslider, and leave "slider" alone, and only start replacing where it sees 'var Slider'
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21:42
< RichyB>
git submodule
21:42
< RichyB>
why
21:42
< RichyB>
Eris, why did you do this to us
21:42
< RichyB>
whyyyyyyy
21:42 * RichyB cries
21:45
<&McMartin>
Because svn externals actually work, which is an insult
21:46 * AnnoDomini understands not.
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21:51
< RichyB>
I haven't seen any other creation in the history of software less reliable than git submodules since‚¶
21:51
< RichyB>
‚¶?
21:51
< RichyB>
‚¶?
21:52
< AnnoDomini>
What's "a|?"?
21:52
<@Tamber>
Broken utf8 support.
21:53
<@Tamber>
(It's an ellipsis, followed by a question mark.)
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21:54
< RichyB>
I mean it not only doesn't work, but it also appears to corrupt git checkouts randomly.
21:54
< RichyB>
No, not randomly, reliably.
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<@Namegduf>
I've never had a bug problem with submodules myself.
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<@Namegduf>
They're annoying to use, UX-wise, since you need to init them after checking out, and you need to get comfortable with them being tied to a specific upstream version, and I think they're a dubiously good solution, but they've always worked for me.
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