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< Xon>
hmm C# async/await are interesting keywords. but holy hell do they play poorly with threadlocal storage
04:40
<&ToxicFrog>
Because it spawns a separate thread to handle it?
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< Xon>
ToxicFrog, because the Task object can run on a thread form the threadpool or all the Tasks run on a single thread depending on the configuration of the caller
04:43
< Xon>
and what is logically a single piece of code is actually sliced up into a new class + pile of callbacks by the compiler when you use the async/await keywords
04:43
< Xon>
so from a sourcecode view, your function may or may not change thread when it hits an await
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<&ToxicFrog>
Aah.
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< Xon>
so if you are touching something which intializing thread local storage, it can shit over multipule thread's threadlocal storage for a single function
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< Xon>
like I said, plays rather poorly together =p
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<@gnolam>
This is pretty impressive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bX0qpsLfpE
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<@froztbyte>
heh, quite
13:59
<@froztbyte>
gnolam: without doing any reading yet, seems like an IR-based system?
13:59
<@froztbyte>
kinect at much closer range, basically
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< Attilla>
does #code deal with hardware as well as software
18:50
< Attilla>
and no i don't mean those programmable chip things that i cannot remember the name of :V
18:53
< Syka>
fpgas
18:54
< Attilla>
is that the name of those chip things or what
19:01
< Syka>
yes
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< Syka>
field programmable gate arrays
19:02
< Attilla>
oh right, well that's good to know, my question still stands however, could i for instance discuss GPUs
19:05
< Syka>
I suppose :D
19:07
< Attilla>
okay well my current one is dying or so and i intend to get a new one but i am currently fretting over power connectors, like will they matter that much in the end? i mean afaik the connectors are part of the PSU and can't be removed or changed but you can get adapters and so on but will the card come with adapters? i mean my current is connected by 2x6 pin
19:07
< Attilla>
connectors and the cards i am looking at have various different connectors that come with them that I assume match the ports they have (do you call them ports?)
19:08
<&ToxicFrog>
You generally call them power connections/connectors.
19:08
<&ToxicFrog>
Most cards will come with molex4 -> whatever they actually use adapters.
19:08
<&ToxicFrog>
You can also just read the card specs and then open up your computer and see what connectors the PSU has.
19:09
<&ToxicFrog>
1x6 or 2x6 are the most common these days, I think, so if your current card is 2x6 you're probably ok.
19:10
< Attilla>
well i mean i've seen different makes (and models) of the same card (GTX 760) that have different ones, one had 1x8, one had 2x6, one had 1x6+1x8, that sort of thing
19:10
< Attilla>
Also would anyone recommend a specific model of GTX 760 to me.
19:12
<&ToxicFrog>
I don't follow nV card specs, sorry.
19:12
<&ToxicFrog>
Tom's Hardware "Best Video Cards for the Money" is generally a great resource, but may end up recommending something completely different, so if it's specifically a model of GTX760 you're looking for...
19:14
< Attilla>
well the GTX760 gets "Best PCIe Card for ~$250" which is precisely the price i'm willing to spend so
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< Attilla>
so (i couldn't tell there's so many connectors :I) does a PSU just have a bunch of molex connectors coming out of it or do they have specialised ones or what?
19:21
< Attilla>
I mean maybe my current GPU already uses an adapter but that's what I get for not building this box.
19:21
< Attilla>
Not knowing these types of things.
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<&ToxicFrog>
You can always open up and look.
19:22
<&ToxicFrog>
But in general, specialized ones.
19:22
<&ToxicFrog>
A typical modern PSU will have motherboard/CPU connectors, maybe a floppy connector, almost certainly a GPU connector (or several in different sizes), and then a mix of SATA and molex connectors.
19:23
< Attilla>
Well yeah it's just I loathe to power down and open it up repeatedly, I'm afraid each time I'll break it.
19:24
<&ToxicFrog>
You can open it while it's running, just don't unplug things or poke conductive things into it
19:24
<&ToxicFrog>
But, ok, for a representative example, a modern Thermaltake 550W PSU -
19:25
<&ToxicFrog>
One 24-pin motherboard connector + 2x4 pin CPU power connectors
19:25
<&ToxicFrog>
4 PCIe connectors, each one 6 pin with a 2-pin addon to make it 8-pin
19:25
<&ToxicFrog>
6 SATA connectors, 1 floppy connector, and 4 molex connectors.
19:26
<&ToxicFrog>
All that said
19:27
<&ToxicFrog>
If what you have is a prefab - like a Dell or something - it may be using a company PSU with exactly as many connectors as it needs and nothing else. So check if you have extra connectors, and if not, make sure you get a model that exactly matches the connectors your existing GPU uses.
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< Attilla>
I'll make sure to check.
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< Attilla>
I think my PSU might be a Corsair 450W VS SERIES VS-450 PSU
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<&ToxicFrog>
In that case this looks like it has the specs: http://www.corsair.com/us/power-supply-units/vs-series-power-supply-units/vs-ser iestm-vs450-450-watt-power-supply.html
20:26
< Attilla>
what does it mean by PCI-E connector I mean I assume the voltage is good enough for whatever a PCI-E card requires
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<&ToxicFrog>
It means it's one of the 6 or 8 pin connectors which is standard for PCIe cards that can't draw all their power from the bus
20:45
<&ToxicFrog>
Mostly graphics cards
20:45
<&ToxicFrog>
Those two 6-pin connectors your current card uses are ATX standard PCIe power connectors
20:52
< Attilla>
I remember hearing about some trouble with adapters between numbers of pins or something?
20:52
<&ToxicFrog>
Can you be more specific?
20:52
<&ToxicFrog>
I mean, there's 6 and 8 pin PCIe connectors, and they aren't interchangeable, although a lot of PSUs will have 6+2 connectors that can do either.
20:53
< Attilla>
well it might be 6+2, where would the +2 be found, along the length of one of the 6 pins connectors?
20:54
<&ToxicFrog>
And the motherboard is going to be either 20, 20+4, 24, or 24+4 depending on era.
20:54
<&ToxicFrog>
Yeah - basically, a few cm before the actual connector, the cable will split into a 6-pin and a 2-pin connector
20:54
<&ToxicFrog>
Usually one of them will have a little clip that lets you connect the two together, making a single 8-pin connector
20:55
< Attilla>
but anyway what I mean is I hear that 6 pins are not interchangeable with 8 pins due to different power and consequently there might be issues even if i have an adapter
20:57
<&ToxicFrog>
I'm not talking about adapters
20:59
<&ToxicFrog>
The 6-pin pinout is a subset of the 8-pin, so you can connect a 6-pin to an 8-pin connector (the keying all matches) and as long as it provides enough power it'll work.
21:00
<&ToxicFrog>
The 6+2 setup is just a normal 8-pin connector, split in two.
21:02
< Attilla>
yeah i know i mean as an asides
21:02
< Attilla>
*aside
21:02
< Attilla>
if I didn't have a 6+2 connector
21:02
< Attilla>
just a 6-pin one
21:03
<&ToxicFrog>
<ToxicFrog> The 6-pin pinout is a subset of the 8-pin, so you can connect a 6-pin to an 8-pin connector (the keying all matches) and as long as it provides enough power it'll work.
21:04
<&ToxicFrog>
Whether it provides enough power depends on the PSU and the video card in question.
21:14
< Attilla>
well brb gonna go look at my internals
21:27
< Attilla>
Looks like they're only 2x6. Is a molex connector like a white horizontal bar with four pins?
21:35
< Attilla>
See here http://i.imgur.com/KGuOSjQ.jpg and here:
21:35
< Attilla>
http://i.imgur.com/5FwaSHY.jpg
21:36
< Attilla>
Huh weird oh well this client. Is a bit awkward
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<&ToxicFrog>
Attilla: yes, that's a molex connector
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< Attilla>
Okay, well then this is salvageable. Will something break if I use a molex-to-8 pin adapter and one of the 6 pins? Tbh I have a new idea now anyway but this could be one.
21:49
<&ToxicFrog>
Wait, what?
21:50
<&ToxicFrog>
"molex-to-8 pin adapter and one of the 6 pins" for what?
21:55
< Attilla>
A GPU, some require a 6 pin and 8 pin, right?
22:05
< Attilla>
It doesn't matter though I've changed my mind on which one I want anyway so I should be fine with connecting it.
22:06
< Attilla>
They ought to standardize power connectors and PSUs I swear :I
22:06
<@TheWatcher>
They have
22:07
<@TheWatcher>
Standards are great things: there's so many to choose from.
22:07
< Attilla>
hahaha
22:07
< Attilla>
overstandardized
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< Attilla>
I believe there is an XKCD strip pertaining to this.
22:19
< ErikMesoy>
Obligatory xkcd
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< ErikMesoy>
I like the approach that The Daily WTF took to this: mods began replacing overused xkcd strips with pictures of Rosie.
22:19
< ErikMesoy>
(Pics of Rosie were replaced with random xkcd strips.)
22:21
< ErikMesoy>
Then again, TDWTF forums are very silly places where people have posts in their signatures, because the signatures allow too much HTML.
22:22
< ErikMesoy>
So every time a certain guy posts, his "signature" will take the form of another post appearing afterwards.
22:22
< ErikMesoy>
(always the same one)
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<@gnolam>
Rosie?
22:31
<@gnolam>
Also, just allowing images in people's signatures is allowing too much HTML.
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< ErikMesoy>
Rosie O'Donnell.
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< ErikMesoy>
A nice example: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/29306/342459.aspx#342459 The post by "PJH" is a real post. The 'post' by "Username" is actually PJH's signature. Appears several times in the thread.
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22:51
< [R]>
ErikMesoy: that's not the only WTF about te board.
22:52
< [R]>
You know those tags? If you're logged in it'll send you every tag in existance, per post.
22:52
< [R]>
It's also incapable of banning people.
22:54
< [R]>
It also didn't stop XSS attacks... until Alex "fixed" that
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