code logs -> 2013 -> Thu, 29 Aug 2013< code.20130828.log - code.20130830.log >
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<@Alek>
oooh
00:12 * Alek checks a kick he'd bookmarked
00:12
<@Alek>
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/9-arduino-compatible-starter-kit-anyone-can-le arn-electronics
00:13
<@Alek>
that's a NICE margin they went over by.
00:13
<@Alek>
sold out on everything, too XD
00:14
<@Alek>
too bad I couldn't kick in :(
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<@gnolam>
Alek: completely pointless for a non-USian though.
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<@Alek>
er. why?
00:40
<@Alek>
there were euro prices and international shipping.
00:43
<@Reiv>
Alek: I suspect the shipping was prohibitive, as is often the case.
00:46
<@gnolam>
Not just that. Customs.
00:47
<@gnolam>
Though US shipping in general is "... I thought we had it bad here, but what the fuck?".
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<@gnolam>
"i really don't want a revolution in programming.
14:05
<@gnolam>
a revolution in documentation however, that would be pretty neat"
14:09 * AnnoDomini tries to set up SDL extension libraries under Code::Blocks and MinGW.
14:10
< AnnoDomini>
Are the 2.0 versions of stuff like sdl_image backwards compatible with 1.2?
14:15
< AnnoDomini>
Hmm. Apparently not.
14:17
< AnnoDomini>
OK. Then the problem is that either I've got to migrate to 2.0 or find a way to produce usable mingw-compliant development libraries for 1.2, because by defaulte they're either source or VC only.
14:20 Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel
14:21
< AnnoDomini>
How do I produce this from the source code? I need .h include files and .a library files.
15:02
< AnnoDomini>
Nevermind.
15:05
< AnnoDomini>
WHOO! IT COMPILES!
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17:48
< ErikMesoy>
Fascinating. Tried to log into my netbank to pay university tuition today. Couldn't log in, got vague error message "An error has occurred. Please try again." Tried again, same x3.
17:48
< ErikMesoy>
Called bank, discovered that my online banking accounting had been suspended for inactivity.
17:49
< ErikMesoy>
They then reactivated it over the phone and sent me a new password to log in with.
17:50
< ErikMesoy>
I'm like... why? Why do you need to lock me out of online access if I haven't used it in a while?
17:50
< ErikMesoy>
I have been using my debit card, so it's not missing user, just missing feature-specific utilization. (Self-reinforcing.)
18:17
< [R]>
<ErikMesoy> I'm like... why? Why do you need to lock me out of online access if I haven't used it in a while? <-- It's them "hackers", can't hack a locked box.
19:20
<@froztbyte>
ErikMesoy: you vastly overestimate how advanced banks are when it comes to computers
19:20
<@froztbyte>
and I mean /vastly/
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20:29
< AnnoDomini>
Is it worth to switch over to SDL2?
20:30
< simon_>
has anyone here used Haskell GADTs?
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< RichyB>
simon_, not in anger but I think I can remember what they look like.
21:04
< simon_>
RichyB, do you remember if/why they're evil?
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21:06
< RichyB>
simon_, the result of a pattern match on a GADT constructor may have type information that wasn't available before the match.
21:07
< RichyB>
They're dangerous in conjunction with GeneralisedNewtypeDeriving because you can use them to hide phantom types inside other peoples' types.
21:08
< RichyB>
Aside from that trick with GDT, plain Haskell + GADTs is perfectly safe.
21:08
< RichyB>
I've met people (Neil Mitchell, for instance) who don't like GADTs because they find encoding the same information using different features simpler.
21:11
< RichyB>
simon_, so uh yeah, sorry for the lack of good, concrete answer.
21:11
< RichyB>
I mostly heard the argument against them from ndm and didn't understand it well enough at the time to relay the salient points.
21:26
< AnnoDomini>
ARGHLE.
21:27
< RichyB>
?
21:27
< AnnoDomini>
C:B devs, why you put copy/cut/paste two menus down?!
21:27
< AnnoDomini>
When I right click, that's what I really want!
21:54
< [R]>
L2^V + L2^C
21:54
< AnnoDomini>
No.
21:55
< AnnoDomini>
That's the specific problem I am circumventing by rclick.
21:55
< AnnoDomini>
I use three keyboard layouts interchangably.
21:55
< AnnoDomini>
They have C and V and X in different places.
21:55
< AnnoDomini>
One of them doesn't even recognize keyboard shortcuts.
21:55 * TheWatcher eyes
21:56
<@TheWatcher>
What on earth?
21:56
< AnnoDomini>
US Dvorak, and homebrew Polish/Norwegian Dvoraks.
21:57
<@TheWatcher>
Looney~
21:57
<&ToxicFrog>
Huzzah!
21:57
<&ToxicFrog>
No more Chromebook!
21:58
< AnnoDomini>
What's the old shortcut for copy? I've already internalized that Shift+Insert is paste.
21:58
< AnnoDomini>
And that Shift+Delete is cut.
21:58
< AnnoDomini>
But what is copy?
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<&ToxicFrog>
"old shortcut" in which software/OS?
22:05
< AnnoDomini>
No idea. I think I first found these to work in edit.com, but they work on both Linux and Windows now.
22:06
< [R]>
^Insert apparently
22:08
<@Tamber>
^Insert, yup
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< AnnoDomini>
OK. I will attempt to start using that.
22:09
<@Tamber>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access#Description
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< RichyB>
AnnoDomini, control-insert I think.
22:11
< RichyB>
Yep.
22:11
< RichyB>
I don't know where control-insert for copy, shift-insert for paste and shift-delete for cut originated, but they were there in MS-DOS' EDIT program.
22:14
<&McMartin>
IIRC they copied many commands from an old program called "WordStar", but a lot of those were horribly obscure letter-based commands
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< RichyB>
Huh, Wordstar had an inferior variation of WASD movement.
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< RichyB>
E S X D
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< RichyB>
(with the control key held down)
22:25
<@Alek>
don't forget ijkm or ijkl.
22:26
<&McMartin>
I've never used WordStar, but I remember it being invoked all the time by the (edit.com-like) editors I used
22:28
<@froztbyte>
ijkm is a real thing?
22:29
<&McMartin>
Was, yeah
22:29
<@froztbyte>
ed kind of days?
22:30
<&McMartin>
No; stuff like early DOS games and stuff
22:30
<&McMartin>
There was a notion that the right hand should do directionality.
22:31
<@Reiv>
wut
22:31
<@Alek>
actually, that was for player 2, generally.
22:31
<@Alek>
not always, but much of the time.
22:31
<@froztbyte>
McMartin: oh
22:31
<@Alek>
then the arrow keys came into their spot.
22:32
<@froztbyte>
that's a time lost to me
22:32
<@Alek>
and the right-hand-directionality strengthened.
22:32
<@Alek>
I used to play FPS with the arrow keys. >_>
22:32
<@Alek>
Dad still does. -_-
22:32
<@Alek>
oh, for emulators and platformers it's still the accepted way to do it.
22:33
<@Alek>
aaaaaand FFVII, on the PC, used the numpad for everything. -_-
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22:43
< RichyB>
I once briefly experimented with vi's hjkl for first-person shooters.
22:43
< RichyB>
Crap results.
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<&McMartin>
I can *only* play Descent with a numpad
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<&McMartin>
Though I'm admittedly not very good at it
23:29
< RichyB>
Incidentally, FreeSpace is *amazing* with a trackball instead of a mouse.
23:30
< AnnoDomini>
Hahaha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano <- If you click on the empty space on the left of the video (pausing it) and type "1980", you get a minigame.
23:30
<@Azash>
https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18556
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<@Tamber>
:php:
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< AnnoDomini>
:gonk:
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< RichyB>
What the fucking shit, 2012?
23:41
< RichyB>
That went unfixed for *10* years? o_O
23:42
<@Tamber>
It's PHP. Why are you (still) surprised?
23:54
<@celticminstrel>
What did?
23:55
<@Tamber>
celticminstrel, https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18556
23:55
<@Tamber>
(I think you exploded before you saw it. :)
23:57
<@celticminstrel>
Oh Turkish.
23:57
<@celticminstrel>
One of the first comments claimed it was fixed.
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