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| --- Day changed Fri Jul 19 2013 |
| 00:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Heh |
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| 00:23 | <@Reiv> | Win8 has attained the mighty achievement of "Well, if it came by default on your PC, it's probably not worth the hassle to uninstall it in favor of Win7"... |
| 00:24 | <@Reiv> | Which is saying something in itself, eh? |
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| 00:36 | <&McMartin> | Serah: Huh. What's a "disguised vista driver"? The Win 7/8 driver model is only supposed to be a minor revision of Vista's. |
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| 00:37 | < Serah> | Driver written for Vista that had it's versioning updated to work with Win7 won't wok with Win8. (So I was told.) |
| 00:38 | <&McMartin> | Hm. I find that somewhat surprising. |
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| 00:49 | < [R]> | <Serah> TL;DR: Is win8 wothwhile? <-- it's... Windows with an attempt to avoid being the unchanging shitpile it has been for years. |
| 00:50 | | * [R] has been using it for 9? months. |
| 00:50 | < [R]> | Oh wia,t only 4. |
| 00:51 | < Serah> | I have had a mac, and two linux boxes(more if knoppix counts) and have determined that Windows is the OS I hate the least. |
| 00:52 | < [R]> | I never said Linux wasn't shitty either :p |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | The Win7 driver model is actually really nice. |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | As one would expect for something that has to be both modular and closed-source~ |
| 00:52 | < [R]> | I'm in process of assuming Gentoo is the least shitty distro after a year or so of trying to find one that didn't piss me off. |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | (FUSE is arguably nicer) |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | Oof. Good luck with that. If it manages to do so, please share how~ |
| 00:53 | <&McMartin> | I actually wound up abandoning Gentoo for Fedora Core 3, and I don't need to explain how bad FC3 is. |
| 00:53 | < [R]> | Heh |
| 00:54 | < [R]> | So far it's been fine, even though the constant requirement to manually set USE-flags comes up on 40% of all packages. |
| 00:54 | <&McMartin> | I don't mean to discourage you. If there *is* a way to make Gentoo work cleanly as a desktop OS (or if it's just gotten That Much Better in the intervening years) I in all seriousness would like to know~ |
| 00:54 | <&McMartin> | Ah, yeah. |
| 00:54 | < [R]> | ... and it has old-java in the repos :/ |
| 00:54 | <&McMartin> | USE flags are what drove me out, because picking use flags at install time wound up literally locking you out of half the repos. |
| 00:54 | <&McMartin> | But that was before they had any notion of slots |
| 00:54 | < [R]> | But the JDK is actually stupid nice to install when you have stow :) |
| 00:55 | < [R]> | Yeah, certain stuff I'm just not getting from the repos |
| 00:55 | < [R]> | Such as node.js. Also my WM (since they don't stock it) |
| 00:56 | < [R]> | Though I'm getting boxed up urxvt's :/ |
| 00:56 | < [R]> | Need to look into that |
| 00:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | Fuck USE flags, seriously |
| 00:59 | < [R]> | Oh? |
| 01:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | "Let's let people customize compile-time options!" Ok, with you so far. |
| 01:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | "By stuffing all of them into a huge flat namespace with no consistent naming convention that conflates general feature control, per-program feature control, dependency control, and system install control!" No. |
| 01:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Lunar Linux had the right idea. |
| 01:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's the only source-based distro I've used that I actually liked. Unfortunately the userbase was so small that so were the repositories, and it looks like it's unmaintained now. |
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| 01:14 | < RichyB> | ToxicFrog, I assume you've seen BSD Ports? |
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| 01:15 | < RichyB> | That has per-package feature flags, a nice menu system for setting them, support for the dependencies list for a given package to change according to which features are ticket. |
| 01:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, that's basically what Lunar has. |
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| 13:12 | < sshine> | has anyone here played with Alex/Happy and getting position information from the tokens into the AST? |
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| 13:59 | <@iospace> | oh hey |
| 13:59 | <@iospace> | new UEFI spec |
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| 14:08 | <@TheWatcher> | Changes everything~ |
| 14:09 | <@iospace> | not really :P |
| 14:10 | <@TheWatcher> | Bah! |
| 14:11 | <@iospace> | just went from 2.3.1 to 2.4 |
| 14:45 | <@iospace> | though the new PI spec is interesting |
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| 18:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | I swear I am going to stab this guy in #git |
| 18:55 | | * Tamber hands TF a fork. |
| 18:56 | < Azash> | Is he being a git? |
| 18:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | He is demonstrating a degree of failure to understand and inability to read the documentation that I would like to believe is intentional |
| 18:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | I mean, I get that rebase is not the most intuitive concept for some people, but goddamn |
| 19:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | And now he finally gets it and there's a new guy asking "how do I use git gui" without knowing what a commit is) |
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| 19:18 | < ktemkin[work]> | Link him to that free Pro Git book, and leave it at that. |
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| 19:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | I just...I don't get it. |
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| 20:51 | <@iospace> | i need another screen |
| 20:55 | <@Alek> | not enough room for shortcuts on your desktop? |
| 20:55 | | * iospace kicks SVN into the sky |
| 20:55 | <@iospace> | ... |
| 20:55 | <@iospace> | no alek |
| 20:56 | <@Alek> | :P |
| 20:56 | | * ToxicFrog provides an NTR to deorbit it into the sun |
| 20:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | (use git-svn, it deadens the pain) |
| 20:57 | < abudhabi> | Is there a way to just make a repo and upload a bunch of files to github? |
| 20:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: ...make the repo, make some commits, push the commits? |
| 20:58 | < [R]> | Yes. You make a repo. Add that bunch of files to it. And push to github. |
| 20:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | iospace: seriously, if you're stuck with svn, git-svn is amazing |
| 21:01 | < abudhabi> | Let me explain in more detail. I have a would-be repository project on my Windows partition (currently booted) and I don't want to bother either rebooting or installing git software on Windows this evening. |
| 21:01 | < abudhabi> | I want to take a directory and upload it to github. |
| 21:01 | <@iospace> | ToxicFrog: we use tortose svn, and we have tools that depend on it for some reason |
| 21:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: sadly, github hosts git repos, not arbitrary files. |
| 21:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | You cannot do what you ask without either using git, or not using github. |
| 21:03 | < abudhabi> | OK. |
| 21:03 | <@Namegduf> | How about Google Drive? |
| 21:04 | <@Namegduf> | Or Dropbox? |
| 21:04 | <@Namegduf> | (I mention the first because you almost certainly have an account for it) |
| 21:04 | <@Namegduf> | Those are arbitrary file uploady things. |
| 21:04 | < abudhabi> | I'll just send it by email. |
| 21:04 | <@Namegduf> | Works too. |
| 21:05 | < abudhabi> | I wanted to do this because that's where I intend to put the project. When I boot up Debian and can use git and stuff. |
| 21:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | Why not install git on windows? Doesn't take long and is worth having. |
| 21:05 | <@Namegduf> | I hear TortoiseGit is pretty solid nowadays |
| 21:06 | <@Namegduf> | Maybe incorrectly |
| 21:06 | < abudhabi> | This Win already has too much stuff installed. Anyway, problem solved. I'll upload to the repo later. |
| 21:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | iospace: wait, tools that depend not on svn, but on tortoise? |
| 21:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | Like what? |
| 21:11 | <@iospace> | ToxicFrog: i'm not entirely sure how it works, so i could be wrong |
| 21:11 | <@iospace> | but our code review tool |
| 21:11 | <@iospace> | that, and i don't think my problems are tortoise related |
| 21:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh yeah, for code review it would need something client side, wouldn't it. |
| 21:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | Anyways, yeah, the idea with git-svn is that it lets you develop in git locally, so you get local branches and git's merge resolution and stashes and whatnot, and then you can turn it into an svn commit when ready |
| 21:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | But it doesn't result in an actual "svn checkout" something like tortoise can comprehend |
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| 22:05 | <&McMartin> | TortoiseGit is better than it was but I'm still happier with MSYS-rxvt-bash-kit. |
| 22:05 | <&McMartin> | *git |
| 22:07 | <@Namegduf> | I have a two hyphen maximum for anything I'd recommend to someone without knowing how much technical fuss they're willing to put up with. |
| 22:07 | <@Namegduf> | But I'm entirely willing to believe it is better. |
| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | Well, some of those hyphens are really adjectives. |
| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | The "stock" WinGit is a properly encapsulated MSYS system. |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | With a "right click on this directory and get the option to open a bash shell there that knows where Git is" |
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| 23:42 | < [R]> | Why are node.js db-driver writters so assholish to REPL users? |
| 23:43 | < [R]> | The main MongoDB one requires 5-layers of nested callbacks. |
| 23:43 | < [R]> | The main MySQL one calls process.exit() on errors. |
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