| --- Log opened Sat Apr 27 00:00:00 2013 |
| 00:01 | | * Derakon eyes Terminal, which has decided to hang. WTF. |
| 00:09 | <&Derakon> | Hey RichyB, turns out that the fix we did to the heatmap code wasn't a good idea after all. |
| 00:09 | <&Derakon> | So what I did instead was to modify queue_popleft so that after it increments q->head, it checks if q->tail == q->size and sets it to 0 if so. |
| 00:10 | <&Derakon> | That appears to pass all tests properly. |
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| 00:47 | <~Vornicus> | REIVER REIVER REIVER |
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| 01:37 | < Bobsentme> | Quick question, and then I'll be on my way: |
| 01:37 | < Bobsentme> | I have a server that runs tomcat, and java 1.6. |
| 01:38 | < Bobsentme> | Connects to a backend database. |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | ok |
| 01:38 | < Bobsentme> | Can I code a jsp page and deploy it, or will I have to upgrade / change the java version for that? |
| 01:38 | < Bobsentme> | my google-fu is not working |
| 01:39 | <~Vornicus> | Java spends a lot of time making sure old code continues to work. |
| 01:39 | <&McMartin> | JSPs go back to something like Java 1.4; as long as the Java *in* your JSP isn't using 1.7-specific stuff you should be fine. |
| 01:39 | <&McMartin> | Servlets (what JSPs compile into) are a dead-simple API. |
| 01:40 | < Bobsentme> | Ok. Wanted to make sure I wasn't going down a useless path. |
| 01:41 | < Bobsentme> | thanks all. |
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| 01:45 | | * Derakon eyes Cython, is confused. |
| 01:46 | <&Derakon> | http://pastebin.com/Wngk0vdW |
| 01:47 | <&Derakon> | Define a trivial class in a .pyx file; as far as Python is concerned that class does not exist. WTF. |
| 01:47 | <&Derakon> | (NB using cdef or cpdef doesn't change that) |
| 01:48 | <&Derakon> | (And no, there's not anything else potentially in the namespace to confuse the import) |
| 01:54 | <&Derakon> | Ah, there's a global module named "test". Of course. |
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| 04:02 | < Reiver> | VORNICUS VORNICUS VORNICUS |
| 04:03 | < Reiver> | Yes? |
| 04:03 | < Reiver> | :P |
| 04:03 | <~Vornicus> | I was hunting around for the paper Chalcy made with help from me |
| 04:03 | <~Vornicus> | I found it though |
| 04:04 | <~Vornicus> | http://researchcommons.waikato.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10289/2319/thesis.pdf?sequ ence=1 <--- behold |
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| 04:31 | < Reiver> | oho |
| 04:40 | < Reiver> | any reson? |
| 04:41 | <~Vornicus> | A recruiter was asking about things I've done with Python |
| 04:41 | <~Vornicus> | That is a thing I did with Python |
| 04:45 | <&McMartin> | Woo recruiters |
| 04:45 | <~Vornicus> | Very much so |
| 04:45 | <&McMartin> | And yeah, it really does seem these days like you really want some kind of portoflio |
| 04:45 | <&McMartin> | *portfolio |
| 04:46 | <&McMartin> | Since there are guys out there with 7 years experience that if you hand them an empty file and a problem statement promptly fail to find their ass with both hands for like an hour or more. |
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| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | This is one reason why I'm working on Pyrel. |
| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | I have jack diddly in the way of recent group work otherwise. |
| 05:03 | < Syk> | I have a whole bunch of stuff I'm never showing off every again because its horrible :D |
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| 07:33 | | * Vornicus fiddles, tries to figure out if he can get these voronoi results programmatically or whether he'll have to manually input them. |
| 07:33 | <~Vornicus> | (they're fake results, which is the problem) |
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| 08:32 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. Many things - 3 checker, 4 L, 4 3d checker, 5 checker, 6 diagonal, 6 long, and 7 - have isolated open spaces, and those have a known specific layout. For some of these - 3 checker, 4 L, and 5 checker - there's still more to do. |
| 08:39 | <~Vornicus> | (also, randomly, the google search string that found that paper was "Dan Uznanski New Zealand" |
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| 09:45 | <~Vornicus> | Okay. Space diagonals: 0 and 8 have 4; 1, 6 long, and 7 have 3; 2 straight, 2 diag, 4 2checker, 5 diag, 6 straight, and 6 diag all have 2, a whole bunch have 1, and then 4 square, 4 branch, and 4 3checker have none. |
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| 12:19 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: I see |
| 12:19 | <@Azash> | It was not a very good poster~ |
| 12:19 | <@froztbyte> | <McMartin> And yeah, it really does seem these days like you really want some kind of portfolio |
| 12:20 | <@froztbyte> | <McMartin> Since there are guys out there with 7 years experience that if you hand them an empty file and a problem statement promptly fail to find their ass with both hands for like an hour or more. |
| 12:20 | <@froztbyte> | I was having this discussion with one of the Smarterer guys recently |
| 12:20 | <@froztbyte> | you might feel happy that at least some of the people who are involved in that space (hiring/evaluation) are thinking of ways to solve it |
| 12:21 | <@Tamber> | A really big mallet? |
| 12:21 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 12:22 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: so you note some issues you had there |
| 12:22 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: and it's an interesting line between getting them right, and not |
| 12:22 | <@froztbyte> | one of the things I'd try is just insert the various headers (packet ID, timestamp, srchost+dsthost, etc) into the sql DB |
| 12:23 | <@froztbyte> | and back-reference to the packet payload on SQL-query |
| 12:23 | <@Azash> | Mm |
| 12:23 | <@froztbyte> | with tshark you can slice based on addresses and stuff |
| 12:24 | <@Azash> | tshark? |
| 12:24 | <@froztbyte> | console-wireshark |
| 12:24 | <@Azash> | Ah |
| 12:24 | <@froztbyte> | https://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/wireshark-filter.html |
| 12:24 | <@froztbyte> | http://blog.n0where.org/2011/06/quick-and-dirty-pcap-slicing-with.html |
| 12:24 | <@Azash> | Yeah one of my goals here was to do that stuff myself and avoid tools as much as possible |
| 12:25 | <@Azash> | Several people have suggested libpcap and such |
| 12:25 | <@froztbyte> | with the pcap manipulation specifically, I'd actualy just leave that up to the tools |
| 12:25 | <@froztbyte> | because there's a whole lot involved in pcap manipulation |
| 12:25 | <@froztbyte> | I mean, you could go off and write it all yourself, or you could just build a generalized tshark wrapper that works for what you need :) |
| 12:26 | <@Azash> | Mm, honestly, if I was doing proper work I wouldn't be writing my own tools unless absolutely necessary |
| 12:26 | <@Azash> | This is just messing around that I get credits for :P |
| 12:26 | <@froztbyte> | hehe |
| 12:27 | <@froztbyte> | well, a familiarity with this stuff is certainly not bad |
| 12:27 | <@froztbyte> | even for just general "what the fuck is going on?" sort of home use, it's often nice |
| 12:27 | | * froztbyte has a lot of accidental protocol reverse engineering and deep debugging experience |
| 12:28 | <@Azash> | Mm |
| 12:28 | <@froztbyte> | (SIP is a fucking shitty protocol that breaks far too often :<) |
| 12:28 | <@Azash> | I asked a friend how to get started in infosec, looks like there's going to be more of that~ |
| 12:28 | <@Azash> | I'd like to try and reverse engineer some protocol over the summer |
| 12:28 | <@froztbyte> | if you want to get started in infosec, make sure you have a very strong ability to put up with bullshit |
| 12:29 | <@froztbyte> | (*very strong* ability) |
| 12:29 | <@Azash> | On whose part? |
| 12:29 | <@froztbyte> | most of the people I've encountered in infosec have almost /zero/ cross-domain knowledge, and tons of ridiculous practices |
| 12:30 | <@Azash> | Ah |
| 12:30 | <@froztbyte> | it's kinda understandable, since all of this is built on how to build security on the fact that all corporate users are retards |
| 12:30 | <@froztbyte> | but yeah |
| 12:30 | <@froztbyte> | there's a lot of snakeoil, scumminess, and idiocy. |
| 12:30 | | * Tamber waves the rubber chicken over the server, dancing clockwise, and chanting. |
| 12:31 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: So you're saying I should be able to read TDWTF without gagging? :P |
| 12:31 | <@froztbyte> | no, you should be able to read TDWTF going "pfft, I see that three times a day, minimum" |
| 12:33 | <@Azash> | Haha |
| 12:34 | <@Azash> | That would be a recursive pre-req, though |
| 12:34 | <@Azash> | Not that those are very rare in computing.. |
| 12:34 | <@froztbyte> | dude, it's beyond bad |
| 12:34 | <@froztbyte> | I know people in somewhat highly placed positions |
| 12:34 | <@froztbyte> | who recommend you run all your APs in Hidden SSID mode for "teh securitahs!" |
| 12:35 | <@froztbyte> | (which, if you have even the most basic understanding of digital wireless transmission, tells you how retarded it is) |
| 12:39 | <@Azash> | Can't you just listen to traffic and find it that way? |
| 12:39 | <@froztbyte> | exactly |
| 12:39 | <@froztbyte> | there's a number of ways you could easily circumvent the problem |
| 12:40 | <@froztbyte> | and this person does a training course that people pay thousands to attend |
| 12:40 | <@froztbyte> | multiple times a year |
| 12:40 | <@Azash> | caveat emptor |
| 12:40 | <@froztbyte> | at a well-respected infosec company |
| 12:41 | <@froztbyte> | and this sort of snakeoil and silliness is *everywhere* |
| 12:49 | <@Azash> | Partly explains the vitriol blackhats tend to have toward consultants |
| 12:58 | <@froztbyte> | very commonly, yes |
| 12:59 | <@froztbyte> | blackhats, by and large, are actually getting shit done |
| 12:59 | <@froztbyte> | real work, real discoveries |
| 12:59 | <@froztbyte> | and there's respect in that, for me |
| 12:59 | <@froztbyte> | a lot of other people just ride the coattails of that |
| 13:00 | <@Azash> | Mm |
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| 13:29 | <@Azash> | Hey AverageJoe |
| 13:29 | < AverageJoe> | hi |
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| 20:36 | <@celticminstrel> | ...oh hey, github changed their favicon. |
| 20:46 | <@froztbyte> | yeah |
| 20:46 | <@froztbyte> | https://github.com/blog/1472-new-github-logo |
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| 20:52 | <@celticminstrel> | It's a purely stylistic change, I think, but noticeable nonetheless. |
| 20:53 | <@froztbyte> | it is pretty noticeable, yeah |
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| 20:53 | <@froztbyte> | although I suspect observation bias of some sorts also comes into play |
| 20:54 | <@froztbyte> | (the people who use github are also more likely to be using tabs, and checking for tabs based purely on favicon, thus being more aware to a change) |
| 20:56 | <@Tamber> | ...there's a change? I can't see it, even on the blog post. |
| 20:56 | <@Tamber> | <.< |
| 20:57 | <@froztbyte> | they went negative space |
| 20:57 | <@froztbyte> | https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/72919/381608/074d0b06-a5e3-11e2-8b7f-9f09eb2dd fae.jpg is the new icon, more or less |
| 20:58 | <@froztbyte> | (and honestly every time I see it now, I think "drunk fighting octopus") |
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| 21:00 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't even know what changed, because I can't remember what the old favicon was. |
| 21:00 | <@celticminstrel> | I only know it looks different. |
| 21:00 | <@celticminstrel> | While also looking the same. |
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| 21:30 | <@froztbyte> | it used to be the octopus |
| 21:30 | <@froztbyte> | rather than negative space of the octopus |
| 21:34 | <@Tamber> | Ahh |
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| 21:40 | <@Azash> | "Something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)" |
| 21:40 | | * Azash stares at the ceiling |
| 21:40 | <@froztbyte> | dig +trace |
| 21:40 | <@froztbyte> | but that sounds like a broken DNS server |
| 21:41 | <@froztbyte> | even just `dig` on its own will give you and answer |
| 21:41 | <@froztbyte> | and I really should stop suggesting dig and suggest drill instead :/ |
| 21:41 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: Is that a valid format though? |
| 21:41 | <@Azash> | address:http |
| 21:41 | <@froztbyte> | no, that's more likely log weirdness |
| 21:41 | <@froztbyte> | sec |
| 21:41 | <@froztbyte> | aliquantulus% getent services 80 |
| 21:41 | <@froztbyte> | http 80/tcp www |
| 21:42 | <@froztbyte> | so what's likely being sent in to the formatting function is <hostname>:80 |
| 21:42 | <@froztbyte> | and then it does some "smart" stuff with it |
| 21:43 | < Shiz> | magic |
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| 22:07 | <@Azash> | Hm.. |
| 22:08 | <@Azash> | I'm supposed to be doing a blag for my webpage for this lab, and I'm having a hard time thinking up stuff to put in the DB |
| 22:08 | <@Azash> | I have three tables: User (id, name, pwhash), Post (postid, userid, replyto, content) and Subscription (follower, target) |
| 22:08 | <@Azash> | Any suggestions? |
| 22:09 | <@EvilDarkLord> | As in content for tables or other tables? |
| 22:09 | <@Azash> | Mostly other tables as we get whined at if our DB is too simple |
| 22:10 | <@Azash> | Pretty much "more functionality", I guess |
| 22:10 | <@Azash> | But I'm stumped |
| 22:10 | <@Azash> | Permissions! |
| 22:12 | <@EvilDarkLord> | Separate out blag posts from comments on them? |
| 22:12 | < ErikMesoy1> | Subscription makes me think Payment (interval, amount, method) |
| 22:12 | <@Azash> | ErikMesoy1: Similar to how you subscribe on forums |
| 22:12 | <@Azash> | Except for users |
| 22:12 | <@Azash> | Not posts |
| 22:13 | <@Azash> | EvilDarkLord: I guess, but that seems a bit excessive, I think I'll just add Permission (user, role) and Role (roleid, various permissions like post, reply, delete-reply) |
| 22:13 | <@Azash> | And if that's not enough, manly tears must be shed |
| 22:14 | <@EvilDarkLord> | Azash: Post time seems like a useful addition to Post anyway. |
| 22:16 | <@Azash> | Oh true, thanks |
| 22:16 | <@EvilDarkLord> | Possibly separate content from title too. |
| 22:20 | <@froztbyte> | why are you building your own? course requirement? |
| 22:26 | <@froztbyte> | http://blahg.josefsipek.net/?p=233 haha |
| 22:29 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: Yeah |
| 22:30 | <@froztbyte> | heh |
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| 23:56 | <@Azash> | Hmh.. I can't figure out why this isn't modifying the database http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/560 |
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