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| 00:00 | <~Vornicus> | I've honestly never found anything on windows I liked better than mIRC, and even that's pretty crappy |
| 00:00 | <@celticminstrel> | KVirc is ... okay. |
| 00:01 | | ToxicFrog|W`rkn is now known as ToxicFrog |
| 00:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | Serious answer: run NX on a linux machine and NX in. |
| 00:02 | <@celticminstrel> | I never thought xchat was very good, though I haven't used it that much. |
| 00:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Er |
| 00:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Run xchat on a linux machine, and NX in, rather. |
| 00:08 | <@gnolam> | froztbyte: Quassel. |
| 00:12 | <@[R]> | +1 Quassel |
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| 00:57 | <~Vornicus> | ...it can't possibly be that simple. |
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| 09:06 | < Turaiel> | I've got a pretty large C issue. After a function which mallocs and populates a memory space returns, I can no longer access anything within that memory space. I imagine it's because the memory space is lost when the function returns, but I don't know how to move it out. The pointer to the space is global. |
| 09:11 | <@TheWatcher> | Uh |
| 09:11 | < Turaiel> | Seeing as it's a useless class assignment, it's after 4 AM, and it's due at 2 PM, I think I'll just move the contents of the function into main. |
| 09:12 | <@TheWatcher> | If you're using malloc/calloc then the only thing that releases that memory is free() (or the OS cleaning up your process on exit) |
| 09:12 | < Turaiel> | Huh... |
| 09:12 | < Turaiel> | For some reason it's writing 0 bytes to the socket though |
| 09:12 | <@Azash> | Pastebin the code |
| 09:12 | < Turaiel> | Which part? |
| 09:12 | <@Azash> | The function that mallocs and populates |
| 09:12 | <@TheWatcher> | You're probably either doing a = instead of a == in a condition check |
| 09:13 | < Turaiel> | http://pastebin.com/9eWAiJzq |
| 09:15 | < Turaiel> | http://pastebin.com/MkyqSYbd |
| 09:15 | < Turaiel> | The second one is where the issue occurs |
| 09:15 | <@TheWatcher> | um, line 15 is overwriting the data written by 14 |
| 09:15 | < Turaiel> | Thanks. |
| 09:17 | < Turaiel> | Any ideas on what causes it to write nothing though? |
| 09:20 | <@Azash> | I guess your errno is 0? |
| 09:20 | <@Azash> | What is rseek? Also what type of variable is rsize? |
| 09:21 | < Turaiel> | rsize is an integer, so is rseek |
| 09:21 | < Turaiel> | rsize is global, rseek is declared just above, and is the result of a call to lseek() |
| 09:21 | <@Azash> | Oop, nevermind the second question, I misread |
| 09:22 | <@Azash> | So, is the problem that response stays zeroed out? |
| 09:22 | < Turaiel> | And yes, errno is 0 |
| 09:22 | < Turaiel> | It seems that way. At the very least, it's not writing anything |
| 09:22 | <@Azash> | Is rseek 0 ? |
| 09:23 | < Turaiel> | In this particular case rseek is called fd. I did bad things and repeated code. |
| 09:23 | < Turaiel> | fd should be 3, because it calls open() (which was successful) |
| 09:23 | < Turaiel> | Response should be 3, followed by 0 |
| 09:24 | <@Azash> | I thought open is only guaranteed to return non-negative |
| 09:24 | < Turaiel> | It returns -1 on failure, I believe |
| 09:24 | <@Azash> | Yeah |
| 09:25 | <@Azash> | Try printing out the values you memcpy in before you memcpy and see what they are |
| 09:25 | < Turaiel> | And the 0, 1, and 2 descriptors are used, so the next available is 3 |
| 09:26 | | * TheWatcher suggests two things: run in a debugger, stick a watch on rsize, see where and if it gets set to zero (which is what I'd expect to be the problem if written is zero?); lose the globals, because every global you have in a program is a source of pain and subtle bugs. |
| 09:27 | < Turaiel> | I've confirmed that response contains 3 and 0 just before the write call |
| 09:27 | < Turaiel> | rsize, however, is 0. |
| 09:27 | < Turaiel> | Which might explain the problem |
| 09:27 | < Turaiel> | Well, DOES explain the problem |
| 09:30 | < Turaiel> | Aha |
| 09:31 | < Turaiel> | There was another declaration of rsize |
| 09:31 | < Turaiel> | Unfortunate. |
| 09:33 | <@Azash> | 10:26 * TheWatcher suggests [...] lose the globals, because every global you have in a program is a source of pain and subtle bugs. |
| 09:34 | <@Azash> | :P |
| 09:34 | < Turaiel> | It's far too late |
| 09:34 | < Turaiel> | This program is going to be terrible xD |
| 09:34 | < Turaiel> | I have to get up in 5 hours. |
| 09:34 | <@Azash> | I have a poster session in 3.5 |
| 09:34 | <@Azash> | Time to panic |
| 09:34 | <@Azash> | Later |
| 09:35 | <@froztbyte> | poster? |
| 09:35 | <@froztbyte> | also lol at C problems |
| 09:35 | < Turaiel> | Ugh, invalid read of size 4 :/ |
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| 14:42 | <@Azash> | Welcome back, Shiz |
| 14:42 | < Shiz> | 'ello |
| 14:42 | < Shiz> | > many cores, no waiting |
| 14:43 | < Shiz> | is this node.js(r) based technology |
| 14:46 | <@Azash> | node.js would probably be the other way around |
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| 15:00 | <@froztbyte> | why on earth would that be node-related? |
| 15:01 | < Shiz> | don't be silly, everyone knows node.js solved the halting problem |
| 15:01 | < Shiz> | ( ???) |
| 15:01 | <@Tarinaky> | I need to go to a lecture in a minute but would anyone know any easy techniques to make bittorrent unusable on a household router without disrupting other people's shit. |
| 15:02 | <@Tarinaky> | There's a heavy WoW player on the network I don't want to piss off and that, I think, uses Bittorrent - so they need to be able to do that. |
| 15:02 | <@Tarinaky> | Otherwise they'll eat me. |
| 15:03 | < Shiz> | Tarinaky: I'd say go for a concurrent connection limit |
| 15:03 | <@Tarinaky> | I'll try the obvious of blocfking 6881 but I would be sincerely surprised if that worked as I don't think uTorrent even uses that port be default. |
| 15:03 | < Shiz> | bittorrent's nature includes a lot of connections |
| 15:03 | < Syka> | you can dl wow patches over http |
| 15:03 | < Syka> | somehow |
| 15:03 | <@Tarinaky> | Shiz: How do I do that on a household (read: shit) router? |
| 15:03 | < Shiz> | so try setting a cap in your router on any IPs max concurrent conn limit |
| 15:04 | < Shiz> | I have no idea, sorry - you can try digging around in the QoS settings too |
| 15:04 | < Shiz> | Syka: WoW patches have HTTP seeding, yeah. |
| 15:04 | <@Tarinaky> | What would that be called? I don't recall anything like that called as such. |
| 15:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | "QoS", or sometimes "quality of service" |
| 15:05 | < Shiz> | try looking somewhere in the QoS? |
| 15:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah, it's not under QoS. |
| 15:05 | <@Tarinaky> | I've played with that to death. |
| 15:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | Note that most modern bittorrent implementations have techniques to avoid throttling, due to the habit of ISPs to fuck with it |
| 15:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah. |
| 15:05 | < Shiz> | if you ask me |
| 15:05 | < Shiz> | I'd just go to the person's room and slap their shit |
| 15:05 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: find the wow-specific server IPs |
| 15:06 | <@Tarinaky> | One thing we might have to try is running Wireshark on the network and shaming the person we think's using bittorrent. |
| 15:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | You may have better luck not targeting bittorrent specifically and instead putting bounds on how much bandwidth or how many connections this user can use |
| 15:06 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: and then make all network activity from his computer and *not* to those IPs very lossy |
| 15:06 | < Shiz> | Tarinaky: or tcpdump on your router |
| 15:06 | < Shiz> | :) |
| 15:06 | <@froztbyte> | TCP starts shitting all over itself around 60% |
| 15:06 | <@Tarinaky> | Shiz: That'd require the router to be useful :p |
| 15:06 | < Shiz> | true, true |
| 15:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | Also, you will probably need CFW on the router to do anything useful with it |
| 15:06 | < Shiz> | ToxicFrog: that's what I said with the conn limit |
| 15:06 | < Shiz> | yeah |
| 15:07 | < Shiz> | tbh if you run a multiuser network and y ou want any kind of control you have to usually go with either dd-wrt/tomato or a custom built router |
| 15:07 | < Shiz> | ?r enterprise class juniper/cisco routers but that's a different story entirely |
| 15:07 | <@Tarinaky> | I need to fly now. |
| 15:07 | <@Tarinaky> | Bye! |
| 15:08 | <@froztbyte> | those are not your only options |
| 15:08 | <@froztbyte> | (and your options also depend on your ISP) |
| 15:09 | < Shiz> | hm? |
| 15:10 | <@froztbyte> | networking is complex. |
| 15:10 | <@froztbyte> | if your ISP gives you pppoe over DSL as access medium, then you drop a modem that just bridges and dial from whatever you want |
| 15:11 | <@froztbyte> | but if they give you a CPE that dials up l2tp itself via some nortel-specific command set on E1s, then you have a much more limited/tricky set of options |
| 15:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | ....yes, and that "whatever you want" still needs to have the capabilities you're after |
| 15:13 | <@froztbyte> | yes, but my point is that there's a lot wider selection (and factors) that come into play |
| 15:13 | <@froztbyte> | there's a number of tenda units which will do everything you need out of the box |
| 15:13 | <@Tarinaky> | Replacing the hardware isn't an option. |
| 15:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | What options has he forgotten in that list? |
| 15:13 | <@froztbyte> | also .... urgh, what's this other brand now |
| 15:13 | < Shiz> | It's usually not the case, though. |
| 15:13 | <@Tarinaky> | There's a need to be somewhat clandestine. |
| 15:13 | <@froztbyte> | d-something that always makes me think of a dragon |
| 15:13 | < Shiz> | What model router is it? |
| 15:13 | < Shiz> | froztbyte: d-link |
| 15:13 | <@froztbyte> | no |
| 15:13 | <@froztbyte> | not that |
| 15:14 | < Shiz> | :( |
| 15:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Because "consumer grade router with CFW, custom build, or enterprise networking gear" sounds pretty comprehensive |
| 15:14 | | * froztbyte tries to remember |
| 15:14 | <@Tarinaky> | Shiz: Don't remember. It doesn't say in the firmware. I'll let you know when I get home and can check. |
| 15:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Unless you are including things like "root your users and install QoS software on their devices" |
| 15:14 | < Shiz> | Okay~ |
| 15:14 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: it isn't |
| 15:14 | <@Tarinaky> | Technically, it's the billplayer who's the problem user. |
| 15:14 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: there's a whole middle market of routers which are "medium business" sort of level |
| 15:15 | <@froztbyte> | at a decent pricepoint |
| 15:15 | <@Tarinaky> | But we /did/ agree not to torrent on this connection. |
| 15:15 | <@froztbyte> | mikrotik routers are a very good example of this |
| 15:15 | <@froztbyte> | as are ubiquiti |
| 15:15 | <@froztbyte> | and, if you get the timing right, some aruba gear |
| 15:15 | < Shiz> | Fair enough. |
| 15:15 | < Shiz> | But |
| 15:15 | < Shiz> | You don't usually see those on home connections. |
| 15:15 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: so, uhm, the only solution I could give you there |
| 15:15 | <@Tarinaky> | Otherwise the obvious would be "You can't use the internet any more" :p |
| 15:16 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: get a spare linux box with 2 ethernet interfaces, bridge them, learn tc and iptables marking, let it act as a bump-in-the-wire filtering/QoS device |
| 15:16 | < Shiz> | ... or you can just install a CFW on the router itself |
| 15:16 | < Shiz> | if it supports it |
| 15:16 | < Shiz> | seems a lot esaier |
| 15:16 | <@froztbyte> | if you have normal over-the-counter equipment that' |
| 15:17 | <@froztbyte> | that's* crappy and can't be changed, that is |
| 15:17 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: They's a wireless user so that doesn't work. Also, no spare boxes I can linux. |
| 15:17 | <@Tarinaky> | Etc... |
| 15:17 | < Shiz> | @Tarinaky | I need to go to a lecture in a minute but would anyone know any easy techniques to make bittorrent unusable on a household router without disrupting other people's shit. |
| 15:17 | < Shiz> | "on a household router" |
| 15:17 | <@froztbyte> | household router is uselessly vague |
| 15:17 | <@Tarinaky> | yeah. Sorry. |
| 15:17 | <@Tarinaky> | It was the best I could do. |
| 15:17 | <@Tarinaky> | Thanks anyway. |
| 15:17 | < Shiz> | It was pretty obvious to me what he meant |
| 15:18 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: model numbers are always a good thing to supply with that |
| 15:18 | <@froztbyte> | Shiz: I build ISPs for a living, so to me it was completely unobvious |
| 15:18 | <@Tarinaky> | Don't have those available at present. |
| 15:18 | <@froztbyte> | my mental checklist consists of around 400 products, minimum :/ |
| 15:18 | < Shiz> | Heh. |
| 15:19 | <@froztbyte> | and, as always, specificity is key ;D |
| 15:19 | <@Tarinaky> | If I do find a setting for max concurrent connections, what's a good number? |
| 15:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Incidentally - why the agreement not to torrent? |
| 15:19 | <@froztbyte> | how many people, and what usage patterns? |
| 15:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Like, what's the end result you're trying to avoid here? |
| 15:20 | < Shiz> | ToxicFrog: probably network overloading |
| 15:20 | < Shiz> | torrents tend to be quite disruptive for other people's traffic |
| 15:20 | <@Tarinaky> | We have 1 connection serving 7 people. |
| 15:21 | <@froztbyte> | capacity? |
| 15:21 | <@froztbyte> | (and also, what sort of usage patterns do they have?) |
| 15:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Capacity information isn't given by the ISP because we're smelly peons. |
| 15:21 | <@Tarinaky> | +and they don't have to. |
| 15:21 | <@Tarinaky> | It's a residential ADSL line. |
| 15:21 | < Shiz> | oh dear |
| 15:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: you might be able to get line stats out of the modem., |
| 15:22 | < Shiz> | also |
| 15:22 | < Shiz> | I like how my household modem's IP |
| 15:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | Shiz, Tarinaky: thing is, depending on what the issue is, there are other ways to deal with it |
| 15:22 | < Shiz> | redirects to 0.0.0.0 when accessed using the web interface |
| 15:22 | <@froztbyte> | line stats, or do a a few speedtests on something and see what sort of average bw you get |
| 15:22 | < Shiz> | Tarinaky: are you sure it's ADSL, and not ADSL2(+) or XDSL? |
| 15:22 | <@froztbyte> | (the latter of those is more likely to be accurate) |
| 15:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | e.g. if it's just the large number of connections causing the router to shit itself, CFW will help immediately, since it generally handles large numbers of concurrent connections vastly better than the stock firmware |
| 15:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Well, I've played with a few different things for QoS. Someone in the house has a theory that one particular person is violating our verbal agreement - which would cause the problem. |
| 15:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | If it's someone hogging all the upstream bandwidth, QoS rules to limit how much upstream people can use without specifically limiting bittorrent will help there |
| 15:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | Also |
| 15:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can just find out who by looking at the NAT connection table and seeing who has hundreds/thousands of connections open |
| 15:23 | < Shiz> | :) |
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| 15:24 | < Syka> | you could also punch your roomates |
| 15:24 | < Syka> | that would probably fix it |
| 15:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Syka: Variations on that theme are ruled out for non-technical reasons. |
| 15:25 | < Syka> | Tarinaky: fake some FBI notices! :P |
| 15:26 | <@Tarinaky> | There's a flaw in that plan. |
| 15:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Syka: well, you need to know who first |
| 15:27 | <@froztbyte> | draytek! |
| 15:27 | <@froztbyte> | that's the other model |
| 15:27 | <@froztbyte> | err, brand |
| 15:28 | <@froztbyte> | they have some cool kit |
| 15:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: seriously, install CFW on whatever you have just as a matter of principle, and then that will at least give you the tools needed to figure out who's doing it. |
| 15:28 | <@froztbyte> | pity I can't easily get more of it in .za ;( |
| 15:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...assuming, of course, that someone is actually doing it. |
| 15:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | And it's not just your ISP dicking you about, or the terrible stock firmware falling over under normal load. |
| 15:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Which is just this side of TOTALLY POSSIBLE. |
| 15:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Remind me, what does CFW stand for? |
| 15:28 | | ToxicFrog is now known as ToxicFrog|W`rkn |
| 15:28 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Custom Firmware. |
| 15:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh, custom firmware duh. |
| 15:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Tarinaky: do your roommates have webcams? If so, you could look into SCORPION STAREing them~ |
| 15:30 | <@Tarinaky> | ? |
| 15:31 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Tarinaky: trap sprung, go read the Laundry books by Charles Stross |
| 15:32 | <@Tarinaky> | I should pay more attention to this lecture. |
| 15:59 | < RichyB> | TheWatcher: no, you need *two* cameras for that. |
| 16:00 | < RichyB> | Thing I don't understand. Why do they bother to kill SCORPION STARE victims instead of just poking one eye out? |
| 16:01 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | ...what? |
| 16:01 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | SCORPION STARE is lethal. It kills people because that is what it's designed to do. |
| 16:02 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | And it is designed for use against things that may not have eyes. Or may have hundreds. |
| 16:04 | < RichyB> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: no, the poor people who develop SCORPION STARE inside their brains naturally. |
| 16:06 | <@Tarinaky> | What's Scorpion Stare? |
| 16:06 | <@froztbyte> | <ToxicFrog|W`rkn> Tarinaky: trap sprung, go read the Laundry books by Charles Stross |
| 16:07 | < RichyB> | Go read the Laundry books. |
| 16:07 | < RichyB> | Start with "The Atrocity Archives" |
| 16:07 | < RichyB> | then find some kittens and puppies to hug in order to bring you back from the edge~ |
| 16:07 | <@Tarinaky> | Can't you just give me the crib notes? |
| 16:07 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not a reader :/ |
| 16:07 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | what |
| 16:07 | <@TheWatcher> | They are worth it. |
| 16:07 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | As in...you don't read books? |
| 16:08 | < RichyB> | The "Laundry" is BOfH-versus-Lovecraft (except that the protagonist is nice, unlike Simon). |
| 16:08 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't read fiction. |
| 16:08 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I have to ask...what's it like, not having a soul? |
| 16:08 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Does it hurt? |
| 16:08 | <@Tarinaky> | I just don't enjoy reading fiction as much as other media. |
| 16:09 | <@Tarinaky> | I also only have a finite amount of time and an even smaller percentage of that when I am awake enough to read. |
| 16:09 | <@Tarinaky> | I enjoy films and TV... I just don't like reading :/ |
| 16:11 | <@Tarinaky> | Terry Pratchet is one of the few authors I can stand to read and his days are numbered. |
| 16:11 | <@Tarinaky> | :p |
| 16:11 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | The Laundry books are actually...conceptually similar to Discworld, I think. |
| 16:12 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | It's the same approach to lovecraft and spy thrillers that Discworld has to fantasy. |
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| 16:15 | <@Tarinaky> | Dunno why people act so shocked that I don't really like reading. |
| 16:15 | <@Tarinaky> | As if I've insulted some sort of geek god. |
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| 16:16 | <@TheWatcher> | No, no. Nothing like that. You've insulted the very fabric of multi-dimensional reality. Bugger /gods/~ |
| 16:20 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Tarinaky: because, well, it's shocking. It is like saying "I don't like food" or "I don't like breathing" or "I don't like having opposable thumbs". |
| 16:21 | <@froztbyte> | when I was much younger (I'm talking <6), I didn't like reading |
| 16:21 | <@froztbyte> | until I was one day told that you could effectively see any world you want because of it |
| 16:21 | <@froztbyte> | then in primary school I pretty much destroyed any and all records anyone at that school ever had for "amount of reading done in a year" |
| 16:22 | <@froztbyte> | they had these paper list things where you'd write down the books you read, per week |
| 16:22 | <@froztbyte> | I had a file of them. per term. |
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| 16:23 | <@froztbyte> | though these days I read less dead trees for lack of a comfortable reading spot :( |
| 16:24 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I always forgot to write down the books~ |
| 16:24 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Spend time recording the books I read? I could use that time to READ MORE BOOKS! |
| 16:25 | <@froztbyte> | I cheated, a bit |
| 16:25 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | These days I get most of my reading done on the bus to and from work. |
| 16:25 | <@froztbyte> | used my /next/ list to keep track of which ones I want to read |
| 16:25 | <@froztbyte> | and then just ticked off next to them when done |
| 16:26 | <@froztbyte> | (my strategy these days is to peel the pricetag off a book when I've finished it, then go over the box with the goodreads app now and then) |
| 16:26 | <@froztbyte> | (it can scan barcodes) |
| 16:26 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I should do that someday. |
| 16:27 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Calibre has an increasingly-comprehensive list of all of my ebooks, but I have no similar record of my hardcopies. |
| 16:27 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Although I've read a much higher proportion of those. |
| 16:27 | <@froztbyte> | yeah, same here |
| 16:27 | <@froztbyte> | I do read a bunch on my kindle, because I've got the cover with the light in it |
| 16:27 | <@froztbyte> | (kindle gen3) |
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| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Sony PRS-650 here. |
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| 16:29 | <@froztbyte> | that sounds like the name of a scientific calculator |
| 16:30 | <@Tarinaky> | Calculators usually begin with two characters. |
| 16:30 | <@Tarinaky> | Like TI. |
| 16:31 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | froztbyte: 6" touchscreen e-ink reader. |
| 16:31 | <@froztbyte> | yar, I checked the product page |
| 16:31 | <@froztbyte> | but that's the impression the name left me with :) |
| 16:31 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I think it's actually called the Sony Touch Pocket or something, but I can't be arsed |
| 16:32 | < Syka> | sony touch pocket? |
| 16:32 | <@froztbyte> | repeatedly touching your pockets on the bus might be misconstrued for ... nefarious reasons |
| 16:32 | < Syka> | sounds like a device that only works when you don't want it to in your pants |
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| 16:48 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | See, this is why I use the model number instead~ |
| 16:48 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | It's pretty nice, though. |
| 16:49 | | * TheWatcher tends to read on his Galaxy S2 these days, small screen, but it's decent enough. |
| 16:49 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Now that I've used an e-ink screen, I just can't go back to LCD. |
| 16:49 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I used a PSP for a while, and a phone after that, but there's just no comparison. |
| 17:10 | | * Alek pities Taki. |
| 17:11 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: I also vastly prefer reading on e-ink |
| 17:11 | <@froztbyte> | strangely, though, the sort of technical stuff I read during the day I prefer to read on screen |
| 17:11 | <@froztbyte> | I think it's because I can easily switch to another app to try it out or whatever |
| 17:11 | <@froztbyte> | which incurs no motion change |
| 17:25 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Technical stuff, IME, also tends to rely heavily on diagrams and code listings that don't reflow well. |
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| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | "There is also an option to install MIR, a new display server that will eventually replace the X window system in Ubuntu." |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | This seems like a bad move |
| 22:41 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 22:41 | <@froztbyte> | are you reading up on wayland, or is this latest ubuntu news? |
| 22:41 | <@froztbyte> | also, I started making a thing: https://github.com/froztbyte/learnyouamonitoring |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | Apparently this is also not Wayland |
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| 22:43 | <@froztbyte> | I should expand on my question, perhaps |
| 22:43 | <@froztbyte> | the reason I ask is because I ran into a similar sentence the other day when I discovered Bodhi Linux |
| 22:43 | <@froztbyte> | which, in turn, I'd found because I was checking up on Wayland |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, I ran into it because Raring just came out. |
| 22:46 | <@froztbyte> | oh, right. |
| 22:46 | <@froztbyte> | I forgot about that |
| 22:46 | <@froztbyte> | guess I should check on my mirror's traffic in the morning.. |
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| 22:47 | <@[R]> | Learn You Amonito Ring? |
| 22:47 | <@froztbyte> | ahahaha |
| 22:48 | <@froztbyte> | Feb 20138046047772194777219958.05 GB |
| 22:48 | <@froztbyte> | Mar 20137875149915694991569927.38 GB |
| 22:48 | <@froztbyte> | Apr 2013149539969346796934671410.11 GB |
| 22:48 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: ^^ |
| 22:48 | <@froztbyte> | [R]: there ;) |
| 22:49 | <@froztbyte> | 24 Apr 20131604910911921091192164.56 GB |
| 22:49 | <@froztbyte> | 25 Apr 20131635511844311184431231.47 GB |
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| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | froztbyte: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at? |
| 22:51 | <@[R]> | ? |
| 22:51 | <@froztbyte> | those are mirror traffic stats |
| 22:51 | <@froztbyte> | unless they came out terribly munged on your side |
| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | It wasn't great because of tabs but it's there, I guess |
| 22:51 | <@froztbyte> | ah |
| 22:51 | <@froztbyte> | sorry, I copy-pasta'd from awstats |
| 22:51 | <@froztbyte> | which is not the greatest piece of software |
| 22:52 | <&McMartin> | I'd say "That looks like only a modest increase" but then two days are an eighth of yoru monthly traffic |
| 22:52 | <@froztbyte> | yeah, this is probably going to pick up even a chunk more tomorrow |
| 22:52 | <@froztbyte> | and I'd expect it to burn at this rate for roughly 4~5 days |
| 22:53 | <&McMartin> | Arghlebargle, I have the nyancat song stuck in my head and I have no power drill with which to trepan it out |
| 22:54 | <@froztbyte> | here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A |
| 22:54 | <@froztbyte> | if that doesn't quite help, try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fziTZ3m-khE |
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