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| 00:17 | < JustBob> | https://github.com/noidontdig/gitdown |
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| 00:49 | < RichyB> | My inability to write a correct circular queue is annoying me. |
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| 00:55 | < RichyB> | Heh |
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| 00:58 | < RichyB> | I just spotted on twitter a conversation of the form, "<a> X is boring, takes ages." "<b> Here's a plugin for doing X." "<c> Dear b, I've just put your plugin into trunk as a new '-H' option." |
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| 01:13 | <@Azash> | RichyB: Nice |
| 01:15 | <@Alek> | is this good, bad or ugly? |
| 01:16 | <&McMartin> | -H? |
| 01:21 | <@Azash> | Alek: What about license? Is it FOSS or is it for a few dollars more? |
| 01:25 | | * gnolam snickers. |
| 01:25 | <&McMartin> | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/04/how-an-accountant-created-an-entire-rpg-in side-an-excel-spreadsheet/ |
| 01:26 | <@Alek> | I'm not surprised. |
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| 07:04 | <@froztbyte> | <RichyB> My inability to write a correct circular queue is annoying me. |
| 07:04 | <@froztbyte> | where are the problems? |
| 07:19 | <~Vornicus> | I wrote one in js once. |
| 07:19 | <~Vornicus> | (so chosen because it was a common language between me and the professor and rich output was relatively easy) |
| 07:20 | <@froztbyte> | yeah, afaik it's a reasonably easy structure to implement in most languages |
| 07:20 | <@froztbyte> | but perhaps there are some that make it a bit more of a mission |
| 07:21 | <~Vornicus> | I can't think of any off the top but then most languages i know have arrays~ |
| 07:21 | <@froztbyte> | hehe |
| 07:21 | <@froztbyte> | indeed |
| 07:22 | <@froztbyte> | and even if they didn't, you could do a really really rancid object-based linked list setup, or so |
| 07:22 | <~Vornicus> | oh that's rancid |
| 07:22 | <@froztbyte> | :D |
| 07:22 | <@froztbyte> | I have an uncanny ability to bash things into working, if necessary |
| 07:23 | <@froztbyte> | Vornicus: there is, in fact, an upside to that approach |
| 07:24 | <~Vornicus> | why would you make a linked, circular queue? |
| 07:24 | <@froztbyte> | if you want to do block-sized reads, having an object-based thing that just drains all its values is easier than maintaining a number of circular queues |
| 07:24 | <@froztbyte> | at least, to interface with |
| 07:24 | <@froztbyte> | (say, for example, a network packet ringbuffer) |
| 07:25 | <@froztbyte> | slow(er) to update, quick to flush |
| 07:25 | <@froztbyte> | (the rate of update is mostly determined by rate of input, I suppose) |
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| 11:00 | < Thalass|afk> | Hey. Can anyone think why my netbook (running Mint 14) would be invisible on the WLAN, without knowingly setting anything to invisible or anything. I attempted to ssh into it from my phone, but it fails. |
| 11:00 | < Thalass|afk> | It doesn't show up on a network scan (Using Fing on my phone), but ifconfig informs me of the ip address, and obviously the internet is connected. |
| 11:05 | <@froztbyte> | mint is an ubuntu-like |
| 11:05 | <@froztbyte> | and ubuntu has ufw shit by default, afaik |
| 11:05 | <@froztbyte> | so it might be dropping everything |
| 11:05 | <@froztbyte> | alternatively, it could be in a different subnet, which means scanning tools wouldn't necessarily pick it up |
| 11:06 | <@froztbyte> | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW |
| 11:06 | <@froztbyte> | but also just doing `sudo iptables -L -n` might show what you need |
| 11:15 | < Thalass|afk> | UFW is disabled, but i'll try iptables. thanks. :) |
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| 14:04 | < Syk> | hey froztbyte |
| 14:04 | < Syk> | froztbyte: is it just me or did SF explode |
| 14:04 | <@froztbyte> | it's back now |
| 14:04 | <@froztbyte> | there was a network explosion |
| 14:05 | < Syk> | froztbyte: uhhh, in my one, it's 4 people in the room |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | which server are you on? |
| 14:05 | < Syk> | froztbyte: nauruto isn't linked back |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | okay |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | thanks |
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| 17:22 | | * ToxicFrog|W`rkn weeps |
| 17:23 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I've spent the last two days trying to test a server interaction that depends on features that won't be activated until next month. |
| 17:32 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 17:32 | <@froztbyte> | nice :/ |
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| 18:23 | <@jeroud> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: :-( |
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| 20:57 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | froztbyte: google in general, or the version control in specific? |
| 20:57 | <@froztbyte> | from the ouside it looks like you're still enjoying the big toys a lot |
| 20:57 | <@froztbyte> | Derakon_: indeed, but from what I know at least some of the systems people *hate* dealing with it |
| 20:58 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: in general |
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| 20:58 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | It's pretty awesome. Yeah, lots of shiny toys, but also interesting work and fantastic co-workers. |
| 20:59 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I do wish I were doing less C++ and more Python, though~ |
| 20:59 | < Derakon_> | How'd your Lua talk go? |
| 20:59 | <@froztbyte> | wjat |
| 20:59 | <@froztbyte> | what's* your actual position/title? |
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| 21:01 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Derakon_: there were some technical difficulties, but overall it was fun and I got a lot of good questions. I might do a similar talk on git at some point, since we have some team-members who are not very familiar with it. |
| 21:02 | < Derakon_> | Surely there are tons of resources available to help them learn? |
| 21:02 | < Derakon_> | I mean, you're a resource they can talk to, but is a presentation really needed? |
| 21:02 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | froztbyte: Software Engineer II |
| 21:03 | <@froztbyte> | ah k |
| 21:06 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Derakon_: necessary? No. These talks are fun 20-minute things we do at the weekly meeting, a mix of "stuff you should know" and "stuff that's cool" |
| 21:06 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | The Lua talk isn't really relevant to anything we're working on, but it was something people were interested in. |
| 21:06 | < Derakon_> | Fairynuff. |
| 21:07 | <@froztbyte> | also, ideas from other styles/vantage points are often refreshing and helpful |
| 21:08 | < Derakon_> | Well yeah, for Lua that makes sense. |
| 21:08 | < Derakon_> | I was just surprised at doing it for Git. |
| 21:09 | < Derakon_> | Which, well, I'm not especially conversant in Git, but it's not that hard to learn, right? |
| 21:09 | < Derakon_> | I also kinda figure that knowing the basics of source control is my responsibility as a dev. |
| 21:10 | <@froztbyte> | hmmmmm |
| 21:10 | <@froztbyte> | more and more I'm starting to suspect that that's a very "personal" choice |
| 21:10 | <@froztbyte> | I mean, I'm mostly a systems guy (or rather, that's my background) |
| 21:10 | <@froztbyte> | and yet all of my workflow/process/methods vastly outweighs the devs at my current workplace |
| 21:11 | <@froztbyte> | (I'm not even kidding, these people actively rail against writing tests) |
| 21:12 | < Derakon_> | I don't always have the patience to write tests, but they're very handy if you have them. |
| 21:12 | <@froztbyte> | yeah |
| 21:12 | <@froztbyte> | my colleagues literally abhor the idea |
| 21:12 | < Derakon_> | And my work on optimizing pathfinding? Unit tests are very important there! |
| 21:12 | < Derakon_> | Because I kept breaking the pathfinding while trying to make it faster. |
| 21:13 | <@froztbyte> | I've tried for nearly 2 years to drag the environment into The Future |
| 21:13 | <@froztbyte> | and have just given up |
| 21:13 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Derakon_: bear in mind that git here is *optional*. There's a bunch of people on my team who use p4 directly. Some of them might be interested in git if they knew some of the stuff you could do with it, but haven't really looked into it in depth. |
| 21:13 | <@froztbyte> | the one dude's idea of templating is "a form with most of the stuff there already, and then spaces you fill in by hand before you paste the config onto the network device" |
| 21:14 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Others use git but didn't have a lot of pre-google git experience, and thus mostly know "git as it's used to talk to p4" and not some of the neat things you can do with git itself. |
| 21:14 | <@froztbyte> | this being for router configs and service provisioning and shit |
| 21:14 | <@froztbyte> | aka "nitty-gritty work that humans are usually bad at and often make mistakes in" |
| 21:14 | < Derakon_> | TF: to be fair, the only reason I know anything about branching is because of participating in the Angband dev community. |
| 21:15 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | (re: git being not that hard to learn: I think the difference between git and p4 is greater than the difference between, say, lua and python.) |
| 21:15 | < Derakon_> | Well, yes, centralized vs. decentralized source control. |
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| 21:15 | < Derakon_> | But I generally dealt with that by making my mental model be "everyone has their own private repo they can commit to". |
| 21:15 | < Derakon_> | It's not perfectly accurate but it's close enough to not cause problems. |
| 21:16 | <@froztbyte> | a few years back, selenic had a tutorial pdf up with nice pretty graphs |
| 21:16 | < Derakon_> | Other than that you just have to deal with git's fetish for letting you destroy commit histories~ |
| 21:16 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | There are vast differences in how p4 vs. git think about branches, merges, and history structure as well |
| 21:16 | <@froztbyte> | that showed cool timeline things with coloured arrows |
| 21:16 | <@froztbyte> | I found that useful for explaining DVCS things to people |
| 21:16 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | p4 is a very SVN-style linear-history, branches-are-tagged-directories thing |
| 21:16 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | "p4 branch" is, if anything, most analogous to "git clone" |
| 21:17 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Kind of. |
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| 21:18 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Anyways, what I'm getting at is that if I did a shallow dive on git, the target would not be the people on the team who know git well, but the people who only use p4, or who haven't used git outside of git/p4. |
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