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| 00:46 | <&McMartin> | http://java-0day.com |
| 00:48 | <~Vornicus> | that's a higher number than I expected actually |
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| 00:53 | <@Reiv> | What, 12? |
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| 03:23 | | * McMartin eyebrows. |
| 03:23 | <&McMartin> | "- Updated runtime with the final SDL 2.0 ABI" |
| 03:36 | <~Vornicus> | ?? |
| 03:48 | <&McMartin> | Steam update changelog. |
| 03:48 | <&McMartin> | It carries... implications |
| 03:49 | <@Alek> | wat |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | SDL 2.0 has been in development for ages |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | The Linux port of Source uses it |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | Valve hired the original SDL leads some time ago |
| 03:50 | <&McMartin> | Maybe they're wrapping that work up |
| 03:51 | <@Alek> | maybe they'll use it for HL3. |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | They're already using it for TF2~ |
| 03:51 | | * McMartin taps his foot. "Where's the Portal ports, guys" |
| 03:53 | <@Reiv> | Multiplayer Portal deathmatch |
| 03:53 | <@Reiv> | It is something we've needed for many years now! |
| 03:54 | <@Reiv> | All you do is remove the springboots and make levels with a couple of strategically placed pillows~ |
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| 04:08 | | * celticminstrel just did the Steam update, and thus is startled to notice it was mentioned here. |
| 04:09 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: I've been programming in various versions of SDL for over a decade. It jumped out. :D |
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| 04:33 | <&Derakon> | ...come to think, my first use of the SDL was 9 years ago. |
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| 07:10 | <~Vornicus> | I'm trying to think, I don't think I've ever met a language where nil/undefined/none/NULL/et al are not considered false. |
| 07:12 | <~Vornicus> | I've met many where other things might or might not be considered false - empty strings and other containers, 0, NaN... |
| 07:12 | <~Vornicus> | but I've never met one, as far as I know, where nil-oids are considered true. Have you? |
| 07:37 | <&McMartin> | "0 but true" >_< |
| 07:40 | <~Vornicus> | Not what I mean at all. :P |
| 07:41 | <&jerith> | Vornicus: I can write one for you if you want... ;-) |
| 07:41 | <~Vornicus> | Fortunately this is merely intellectual curiosity. |
| 07:42 | <@Syk> | nil != true oh god |
| 07:42 | <@Syk> | uh |
| 07:42 | <@Syk> | = true |
| 07:42 | <@Syk> | if nil = true |
| 07:42 | <@Syk> | it would be very bad |
| 07:43 | <&McMartin> | There have been some people who defined a boolean enum in C and got the first element wrong |
| 07:43 | <~Vornicus> | heh |
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| 08:22 | <~Vornicus> | I just got a claim of java and C# but it feels wrong. |
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| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | Um |
| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | That is true in a very restricted sence |
| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | It is indeed not the case that if (null) { ... } is a no-op |
| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | That is because it is a type error and does not compile. |
| 09:11 | <&McMartin> | Because those languages do not permit the casting of reference types to boolean. |
| 09:12 | <&McMartin> | That's the "tow Earth into Jovian orbit" solution to "make the Earth cease to exist as a planet" problem and deserves the same response. |
| 09:12 | <&McMartin> | "Yes, yes, very clever. Get back to work." |
| 09:15 | <@Namegduf> | XD |
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| 09:27 | < JustBob> | McM - Ah, but your problem was solved. :p |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | In fact, it was not |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | Vorn's question was 'in which nil-oids are considered true' |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | In Java and C#, this is not the case |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | What is the case is that null is not false. |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | Because it is not a boolean of any kind. |
| 09:38 | <@Namegduf> | It's FILE_NOT_FOUND. |
| 09:42 | <~Vornicus> | so if I do if(object_reference_that_happens_to_be_null), do I enter the block or not? |
| 09:43 | <~Vornicus> | ah, starforge saves the day again. |
| 09:44 | < JustBob> | Hrm. |
| 09:44 | < JustBob> | MatLab apparently considers null to just be an empty 0x0 matrix. |
| 09:50 | <~Vornicus> | can you ask matlab if (that matrix)? |
| 09:51 | <@Azash> | Is anyone here good with xhtml? |
| 09:51 | < JustBob> | Well, okay. More specifically, from what I've skimmed, MatLab goes, 'Oh, null? Well, let's pretend it's a matrix of dimension [], i.e. an empty matrix. Because otherwise I don't know what to do with it.' |
| 09:51 | < JustBob> | And there is an isempty function, which returns true if empty. |
| 09:52 | <~Vornicus> | right, but what does if do with empty matrices in if clauses, if you don't ask it to do isempty or anything |
| 09:52 | <~Vornicus> | (or indeed matrices in general) |
| 09:53 | < JustBob> | Um. If I remember right, http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/math/empty-matrices-scalars-and-vectors.htm l?nocookie=true#f1-86384 |
| 09:53 | < JustBob> | There. Faster that way. :p |
| 09:56 | < JustBob> | I'm not sure if it's really 'null' in the sense you're defining it, though. |
| 09:56 | < JustBob> | In that it's a nil-oid, as McM phrased it. |
| 09:58 | <~Vornicus> | I'm not sure if matlab even has pointers or objects. |
| 09:59 | < JustBob> | http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_external/working-with-pointers.html? nocookie=true |
| 09:59 | < JustBob> | As far as I can tell, it... Doesn't? It can work with them, in the same sense that you can work with radioactive materials using a remote arm. :p |
| 10:00 | < JustBob> | http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/object-oriented-programming.html?nocookie=t rue <- But apparently it does have objects? |
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| 12:30 | <@[R]> | Azash: yes |
| 12:32 | <@Azash> | Alright, lemme just fire up VMW and pastebin this |
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| 12:38 | <@Azash> | [R]: Part of this XML assignment is modifying an HTML 4.0 Transitional page to XHTML 1.0 Transitional |
| 12:38 | <@Azash> | This part is giving me grief and is the only one I haven't solved: http://pastebin.com/EDmUight |
| 12:39 | <@Azash> | For each of those <tr> tags, the validator gives me document type does not allow element "tr" here |
| 12:39 | <@Azash> | For each of those <tr> tags, the validator gives me 'document type does not allow element "tr" here', sorry |
| 12:43 | <@TheWatcher> | That's because it doesn't |
| 12:43 | <@TheWatcher> | you can't do <tr><td></td><tr>... |
| 12:45 | < RichyB> | <tr> <td> is right, but <table> <tr> might be objected to on the grounds that it's supposed to be <table> <thead> <tr> or <table> <tbody> <tr>. |
| 12:45 | <@TheWatcher> | thead and tbody are completely optional, provided for styling really |
| 12:47 | <@TheWatcher> | The problem here is that you can not place a <tr> straight inside a <tr> |
| 12:47 | < RichyB> | You're right. |
| 12:47 | <@TheWatcher> | Either the first <tr> needs to be closed before the second one, or the second one needs to be wrapped in <td><table>...</table></td> |
| 12:48 | < RichyB> | I had to look that up in the DTD. |
| 12:49 | < RichyB> | table tags are allowed to contain a caption, then a list of col or colgroup tags, then a thead, then a tfoot, then one or more tbody or tr tags. |
| 12:49 | < RichyB> | trs are supposed to contain only th or td tags. |
| 12:49 | <@Azash> | Alright, thanks |
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| 15:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | This is me today: http://blog.operationreality.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/chemistry-dog-no-ide a-e1332533698640.jpg |
| 15:24 | < JustBob> | That's me every day. :p |
| 15:43 | <@Azash> | I'm doing a practical project in traffic analysis |
| 15:43 | <@Azash> | My idea is to pipe tcpdump into a script that formats the data and puts it in an sql database |
| 15:43 | <@Azash> | And then put up a small php page that presents the data |
| 15:43 | <@Azash> | But, what kind of data should I present? |
| 15:44 | <@Syk> | how much porn everyone is viewing |
| 15:45 | <@Syk> | (hint: you'll need a pie chart that's about 90-10 for porn-notporn) |
| 15:45 | <@Syk> | (in an office environment, just cut it in half |
| 15:45 | <@Syk> | Azash: well if you're getting everything, I suppose throughput? |
| 15:46 | <@froztbyte> | you'd think |
| 15:46 | <@froztbyte> | but you'd be wrong |
| 15:46 | <@froztbyte> | for africa, at least |
| 15:46 | <@froztbyte> | here it's ~60% in office hours, baseline |
| 15:46 | <@Azash> | Syk: Well, it should be analysis, not measurement |
| 15:46 | <@Syk> | uh |
| 15:46 | <@Syk> | those words both mean the same thing |
| 15:46 | <@Azash> | I'm thinking seeding linux distros and displaying some peer data |
| 15:46 | <@Syk> | to me, at least |
| 15:48 | <@Azash> | Well |
| 15:48 | <@Syk> | Azash: tcpdump seems like an incredibly inefficient tool for that though |
| 15:48 | <@Azash> | I'd see analysis as qualitative measurement |
| 15:49 | <@Azash> | And measurement as, well, quantitative |
| 15:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | Today so far: spent 20 minutes wondering why my changes weren't showing up, asked for help, was informed that I'm looking at production, not dev. |
| 16:00 | <@Azash> | ToxicFrog: Nice |
| 16:01 | <@Azash> | Syk: I wouldn't know, I've only used tcpdump and wireshark for such before |
| 16:02 | <@Syk> | if its bittorrent seeding, the client should be able to give you the data |
| 16:02 | <@Syk> | + how many block reqs its serving and such |
| 16:03 | <@Azash> | Oh, I see |
| 16:03 | <@Azash> | Well, the course thematics require using tools that read raw traffic so ~ |
| 16:03 | <@Syk> | oh this is course stuff |
| 16:04 | <@Syk> | then yeah tcpdump all the things |
| 16:04 | <@Syk> | infect a windows pc with every virus you can find in virtualbox, tcpdump the resuly |
| 16:05 | <@Azash> | Lol |
| 16:07 | <@Syk> | map it to a globe |
| 16:07 | <@Syk> | as a heatmap |
| 16:08 | <@Syk> | present 'if C&C servers were heat, east europe would be tropical' as your report |
| 16:09 | <@Azash> | Now that is actually a good idea |
| 16:09 | <@Syk> | oh great |
| 16:10 | <@Syk> | i've used my good idea allotment for the day now |
| 16:10 | <@Syk> | it's only 11 past midnight |
| 16:10 | <@Azash> | But I think I'll stick to using legal torrents instead, like measure where the poor people who download arch are located :P |
| 16:10 | <@Syk> | Azash: if you turn off encryption, you can probably do some inspection of the bittorrent packets |
| 16:11 | <@Syk> | possibly differentiate between metadata and data |
| 16:11 | <@Syk> | and number of dl reqs |
| 16:11 | <@Azash> | Hm |
| 16:11 | <@Syk> | higher amounts of dl reqs possibly means theyve got faster internet |
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| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | <Azash> I'm doing a practical project in traffic analysis |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | <Azash> My idea is to pipe tcpdump into a script that formats the data and puts it in an sql database |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | <Azash> And then put up a small php page that presents the data |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | don't do that. |
| 17:22 | <@froztbyte> | if you do do that, tshark is your friend (or custom shit written against libpcap) |
| 17:23 | <@froztbyte> | but what you want is to take http://pmacct.net/, apply nfdump and forward to the pmacct collector |
| 17:23 | <@froztbyte> | and then by happier |
| 17:23 | <@froztbyte> | be* |
| 17:37 | | * celticminstrel wonders whether there's any way to safely edit a file that could have additional data appended to it at any time. |
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| 17:40 | | * Derakon ponders a problem his boss wants him to work on. |
| 17:41 | <&Derakon> | We have a field of stitched-together images, and we want to find isolated beads on the images. Think like looking at a field of stars and finding ones that don't have other stars nearby. |
| 17:42 | <&Derakon> | My current thinking is 1) break the field into 128x128 sections; 2) cross-correlate with a reference bead image; 3) examine peak in correlation; use some heuristic to decide if this indicates 1 or multiple beads? |
| 17:43 | <&Derakon> | (Ignore beads near the boundary of a 128x128 section, and overlap the sections, in case a bead is actually close but the boundary is in the way, of course) |
| 17:45 | < JustBob> | celticminstrel - Make a local copy/in-memory copy of the file, edit that one, compare/contrast with any potential changes. Prompt as needed. |
| 17:45 | < JustBob> | iirc, that's what dropbox, etc. do. |
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| 17:54 | <@celticminstrel> | Apparently using cat to overwrite the file prevented additional data from being appended... |
| 17:55 | <@celticminstrel> | Yet using my sftp client to do the same did not. |
| 17:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | Most likely your sftp client writes a different file and then rename()s it into place. |
| 17:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | Whereas cat foo > bar opens both files in place. |
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| 18:11 | <@celticminstrel> | ...wait, that's not what I did. I cat'ed into a new file and mv'ed it into place. |
| 18:11 | < RichyB> | Derakon: do beads lie on top of each other? |
| 18:12 | <&Derakon> | Richy: assume the pattern is sufficiently sparse that this is uncommon. |
| 18:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | Well then, just reverse what I said~ |
| 18:12 | <&Derakon> | User can manually veto marked beads if they like. |
| 18:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 18:15 | < RichyB> | If a "bead" is a dot of light, I think that you want connected-component labeling. |
| 18:15 | <&Derakon> | I was kinda hoping that something clever with signal analysis might be more efficient. |
| 18:15 | <&Derakon> | Otherwise, yeah, threshold the image, find the centroids of each connected region, count number of regions. |
| 18:15 | <&Derakon> | But that tends to be slowish. |
| 18:16 | < RichyB> | How big are these things? |
| 18:16 | <&Derakon> | Figure at least 100 512x512 images to analyze. |
| 18:17 | < RichyB> | It seems like you ought to be able to get that to process pixels at full RAM throughput, since there's not much work per pixel. |
| 18:17 | <&Derakon> | Mm, if you say so. |
| 18:18 | <&Derakon> | This is basically a "I'm still in the design phase, so changing things is easy; I'd rather not implement a dumb design if there's a smarter one available." |
| 18:18 | < RichyB> | Connected-components is just "if I'm adjacent to another light pixel, copy my label over to him" on every pixel until it stabilises, no? |
| 18:19 | <&Derakon> | ...oh, hey. numpy has a "label connected components" function. |
| 18:19 | <&Derakon> | So that wouldn't be written in pure Python then. |
| 18:20 | < RichyB> | Excellent. |
| 18:20 | <&Derakon> | http://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/generated/scipy.ndimage.measurements.l abel.html |
| 18:28 | < RichyB> | Derakon: I don't know if there are cleverer DSP-based tricks. TBH, I was never very good at signal processing. |
| 18:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/linuxusers.jpg/1363717989 |
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| 18:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh god they're having me write code |
| 18:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | aaaaa |
| 18:53 | <&McMartin> | A shocking development! |
| 18:53 | | * McMartin decides this problem will be easier if he writes programs that write programs. |
| 18:53 | <@Alek> | tell them you have to go home, you have a code. |
| 18:59 | <@jeroud> | McMartin: Have you ever written a program to write programs to write programs? |
| 19:00 | <&McMartin> | Ophis is in part mechanically generated, and is itself an assembler; does that count? |
| 19:04 | | * Derakon idly wonders how often some programmer thinks "Writing this code is beneath me; I will write code that will write the desired code instead and leave the configuration up to my users." |
| 19:04 | <&Derakon> | Second question: how often does that actually work? |
| 19:04 | <@jeroud> | The only thing I can think of offhand is the JIT generator in pypy. |
| 19:04 | <&McMartin> | Well, here, "my users" is "me" and "the configuration" is "the makefile" |
| 19:04 | <&McMartin> | So I'm pretty sure I'm in good hands here |
| 19:05 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, writing tools for yourself doesn't count. |
| 19:05 | <&McMartin> | This isn't even a tool =P |
| 19:09 | < RichyB> | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/swearwords-per-1000-commits.png |
| 19:09 | < RichyB> | Heehee. |
| 19:09 | < RichyB> | McMartin: I think that once you have code generating any other kind of code, it's not really worth counting the layers involved. |
| 19:10 | <&Derakon> | I find it odd that PHP has a middling count there. |
| 19:10 | < RichyB> | Maybe your compiler is built with some local equivalent of lexx and yacc. Do you care? Nahhhh, we've already got at least one level of code generation in here. |
| 19:10 | <&Derakon> | Maybe because so many of its uses are corporate? |
| 19:11 | < RichyB> | Derakon: "I will write code that writes the desired code" works perfectly for every Lisp user who has ever typed "defmacro". |
| 19:11 | < RichyB> | Also for most Prolog programmers. |
| 19:11 | <&Derakon> | Man, Prolog. |
| 19:11 | <&Derakon> | I used that for 2 assignments back in college and never again~ |
| 19:11 | < RichyB> | Also for anyone who ever designed an FFI that isn't a huge pile of annoyance. |
| 19:11 | <&Derakon> | I wonder if it's still listed on my resume? |
| 19:11 | < RichyB> | I used Prolog to sleep. |
| 19:12 | < RichyB> | By which I mean, I pulled a copy of "The Art of Prolog" - heavy going, but one of the best CS books I have ever seen - out of my university's library and read it every night when trying to sleep one summer. |
| 19:13 | < RichyB> | Failed spectacularly; by Autumn I suffered profound insomnia and fluency in Prolog. ;) |
| 19:14 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 19:14 | <&Derakon> | My "can't sleep" book is Goedel Escher Bach. |
| 19:15 | <&ToxicFrog> | Derakon: IME, most of PHP's userbase has never used anything else and has no real comprehension of just how bad it is. |
| 19:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | And most of the rest are stuck maintaining corporate stuff, not making public commits. |
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| 19:27 | < RichyB> | Heeheehee http://pics.nase-bohren.de/php_vs_python.png |
| 19:30 | <&McMartin> | ON ERROR RESUME NEXT |
| 19:31 | <&McMartin> | (ON ERROR RESUME NEXT gets a bad rap; it is strictly better than average C code because you can tell at a glance whether or not secretly returned error codes are being ignored~) |
| 19:31 | <&McMartin> | Also, man, Prolog |
| 19:31 | <&McMartin> | Prolog is *technically* the first programming language I used |
| 19:32 | <&McMartin> | By which I mean I was seated in front of a Prolog system at the age of 2 as a stress test. >_> |
| 19:32 | <&McMartin> | ... of the system, not me |
| 19:32 | <&McMartin> | YAY, BUTTOSN |
| 19:32 | <&McMartin> | ALSO BUTTONS |
| 19:32 | <&Derakon> | I imagine you couldn't spell very well when you were two~ |
| 19:33 | <&Derakon> | I strongly suspect my first program was "10 PRINT HI 20 GOTO 10". |
| 19:33 | <&Derakon> | It might have been HELLO though. |
| 19:34 | <&McMartin> | Assertions can be anything! |
| 19:35 | < RichyB> | McMartin: eh. You can see precisely which functions I'm ignoring the errors from when I write C code. |
| 19:35 | < RichyB> | "Did they look at the function's return value? Did they save a copy of errno somewhere?" |
| 19:36 | < RichyB> | This is a question that can pretty typically be answered with not much context. |
| 19:36 | <&McMartin> | RichyB: Are you pretending that *all* functions return an ignorable error code, or that the reader will know at a glance which ones those are? |
| 19:38 | < RichyB> | All functions return a possibly-ignored error code which might need to perform syscalls. |
| 19:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Pretty sure mine was DOWN. FORWARD 100. RIGHT 90. FORWARD 100. RIGHT 90. FORWARD 100. RIGHT 90. FORWARD 100. RIGHT 90. UP. |
| 19:38 | | * Tamber watches a little turtle trundle across the floor. |
| 19:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Or something similar to that. |
| 19:39 | <&McMartin> | DOWN REPEAT 4 [ FORWARD 100 RIGHT 90 ] UP |
| 19:39 | <&jerith> | LOGO is still one of my favourite LISPs. |
| 19:40 | <&McMartin> | Dynamic scoping everywhere :argh: |
| 19:40 | < RichyB> | McMartin: realistically I'm pretending that every function returns an error code except for things like memcpy() where it would be better to segfault than to have to check an error flag. |
| 19:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: I was like 5, the concept of iteration was alien to me~ |
| 19:40 | <@Alek> | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/swearwords-per-1000-commits.png |
| 19:40 | <&Derakon> | Was just linked earlier. |
| 19:40 | <&McMartin> | Isn't that a really old study? |
| 19:41 | <&McMartin> | (There are also studies about mining program invariants by searching for phrases like "In case some idiot") |
| 19:41 | <&jerith> | When I was in grade 2, we were given a thick book of LOGO exercises starting with simple things that came with the code and ending with complicated things that we had to figure out ourselves. |
| 19:42 | <&jerith> | A week later I gave it back to my teacher and asked for the next one, because I was finished with this one. |
| 19:42 | <&McMartin> | To be fair, 7-year-olds can do a lot |
| 19:42 | <&jerith> | I was very sad when she told me that there was only one and it was supposed to last us two years. |
| 19:42 | <&Derakon> | And thus was your destiny decided~ |
| 19:43 | <&McMartin> | When I was 7 I was questing for teachers to show me why long division worked |
| 19:43 | <&jerith> | So I picked up the programmer's manual for my dad's C64 and learned BASIC. |
| 19:43 | <&McMartin> | ... Would that be the User's Guide or the one with the timing diagrams for the chips |
| 19:44 | <&McMartin> | (The latter being the one I still have my copy of on my desk) |
| 19:44 | <&jerith> | Probably the User's Guide, but I definitely referred to the other one later. |
| 19:45 | <&jerith> | I clearly remember fold-out circuit diagrams in the back. |
| 19:45 | <&McMartin> | THE COMMODORE 64 KEYBOARD AND FEATURES |
| 19:45 | <&McMartin> | A two-character input buffer! |
| 19:46 | <&McMartin> | Also called "a queue"! |
| 19:46 | <&McMartin> | It is, indeed, the future |
| 19:46 | <&jerith> | I actually implemented one of those in a videogame I wrote. |
| 19:46 | <&jerith> | Because when you're writing a Snake clone, it turns out that queueing two characters is optimal. |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | one move on each axis?~ |
| 19:47 | | * celticminstrel noticed Logo come up and got confused as to where it came from. |
| 19:48 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Pretty much. |
| 19:52 | <@Alek> | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/this-doesnt-work.jpg |
| 20:05 | <@AnnoDomini> | Anyone here know MediaWiki syntax? |
| 20:05 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm trying to make a wiki-wide links table thingy. |
| 20:05 | <@AnnoDomini> | Like a sidebar with links to important pages. |
| 20:05 | <&jerith> | AnnoDomini: I know it's horrible and impossible to parse. :-/ |
| 20:06 | <@Alek> | for Vorn http://pics.nase-bohren.de/math-not-even-once-2.jpg |
| 20:07 | <&jerith> | Banach-Tarski! |
| 20:11 | <@Alek> | Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski! |
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| 20:37 | <@Azash> | 21:36 <@C> freenode -- | RichiH (~richih@freenode/staff/richih): [Global Notice] Hi all. PDPC, freenode's parent organisation, has been dissolved. |
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| 20:54 | <&Derakon> | "Hm under the latest development builds, there're only options for 64-bit and 86-bit [architectures]... not 32-bit." |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | <3 |
| 21:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hahaha. |
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| 21:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/webdeveloper-with-without-job.jpg |
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| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | Derakon: The sad thing is that this is a perfectly logical guess~ |
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| 22:48 | <@Reiv> | 86-bit wut |
| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | Someone saw the whatever_x86.exe and whatever_x64.exe downloads and made The Logical Conclusion. |
| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | Logical but mistaken, as it turns out~ |
| 22:49 | <@Reiv> | snerk |
| 22:50 | <@Reiv> | Yes that's fair |
| 22:50 | | * McMartin would absolutely consider that one a facepalm with rather than facepalm at. |
| 22:52 | <@Reiv> | Indeed! |
| 22:52 | <@Reiv> | Hell, it took a while when I was Newbieish to work out why the hell I had to pick x86 or x64... and that x64 is in fact the newer. |
| 22:52 | <@Reiv> | Butbut the NUMBERS go UP right? |
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| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | The di! |
| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | *do |
| 22:54 | <&McMartin> | But that "6" is actually for "16" |
| 23:02 | <@gnolam> | 816 > 64.~ |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | Well, I mean, the 8088 was 8-bit and the 8086 was 16-bit, right? |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | Totally logix! |
| 23:08 | <@celticminstrel> | Lies. |
| 23:09 | <@celticminstrel> | Logic does not come into this anywhere! |
| 23:13 | <@Tarinaky> | See also, the impending release of the XBox 3. |
| 23:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm? |
| 23:14 | <@celticminstrel> | ...previous release was 360, wasn't it? |
| 23:27 | <@Reiv> | Aw. They called it the Xbox 3? |
| 23:27 | <@Reiv> | C'mon, everyone's been calling it the Xbox 720, that was /much/ cooler |
| 23:27 | <@celticminstrel> | Pfft. |
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