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| 02:28 | < RichyB> | String manipulation in C is kind of evil. |
| 02:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 02:30 | < Syk> | I just bought Windows 8 |
| 02:31 | | * Syk goes to get the scrubbing brush. never_be_clean.jpg |
| 02:31 | <@Azash> | RichyB: Oh, it looks like you misspelled the word a bit |
| 02:31 | <@Azash> | For future reference, I'm attaching a quick way to check it |
| 02:31 | <@Azash> | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delightful |
| 02:32 | < Syk> | rofl |
| 02:32 | < Syk> | I find Microsoft's W8 advertising... interesting |
| 02:32 | < Syk> | its like |
| 02:32 | < Syk> | >Windows 8 is here! |
| 02:33 | < Syk> | *picture of two guys and two girls wearing technicolour clothing and wearing those goddamn hipster glasses* |
| 02:33 | < Syk> | thankyou Microsoft, you have made my confidence in you as a small business owner /skyrocket/ |
| 02:37 | <@gnolam> | Well. At least it's not Tornado92. |
| 02:39 | <@gnolam> | (http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3850056/qualcomms-insane-ces-2013-keynote-pict ures-tweets in case you missed the horror) |
| 02:41 | < Syk> | gnolam: i love the verge's tweets |
| 02:42 | < Syk> | one is like "HAHA I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON" |
| 02:42 | < Syk> | also, this begs the question |
| 02:42 | < Syk> | gnolam, were you born mobile |
| 02:44 | < Syk> | my favourite part was sweaty ballsmer running across the stage, though |
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| 03:27 | <@RobinStamer> | Syk: I got it preloaded on a laptop... which I can't boot off of USB, it doesn't bring me to the BIOS menu with F2, F8 or Del so I'm kind of stuck with it. |
| 03:27 | <@RobinStamer> | Also there's no access hatch to remove the HDD with. |
| 03:27 | <@RobinStamer> | So be glad that you can wipe it I guess. |
| 03:27 | <@RobinStamer> | Also that you can boot into recovery media D: |
| 03:28 | < Syk> | wut |
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| 03:28 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: whats the laptop |
| 03:28 | <@RobinStamer> | Dell XPS "tablet" |
| 03:29 | <@RobinStamer> | AFAIC it's actually just a laptop with a touchscreen that swivels. |
| 03:31 | < Syk> | apparently 'spamming f2' works on Dell laptops |
| 03:31 | <@RobinStamer> | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/07/dell_xps_12_convertible_windows_8_ultrab ook_review/ <-- this thing |
| 03:33 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 03:38 | <@RobinStamer> | Looks like there are secureboot compatable ways to boot into Linux |
| 03:38 | | * RobinStamer will have to try them |
| 03:56 | < RichyB> | Evil! I had a specific reason for writing this: https://github.com/RichardBarrell/snippets/blob/master/string_ln.c |
| 03:56 | < RichyB> | I'm not sure if I regret not just having functions operating on structs instead of the silly pseudo-ADT there. |
| 04:01 | < RichyB> | I almost definitely regret not writing the silly thing as a, like, six-line Python program. ;P |
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| 04:28 | < Syk> | RobinStamer: can't you turn off secureboot |
| 04:28 | <&McMartin> | It's kind of nice to know your kernel is intact, though |
| 04:29 | < Syk> | because otherwise the EU would be like MICROSOFT WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING |
| 04:29 | < Syk> | DO WE NEED TO GO LATE 90S ON YOUR ASS AGAIN |
| 04:29 | < Syk> | McMartin: but dont you have to be using redhat for that |
| 04:29 | < Syk> | i think theyre the only ones who have paid for a key |
| 04:30 | <&McMartin> | Maybe |
| 04:30 | <&McMartin> | Canonical probably *should*, because nobody else seems to provision mass market laptops. =P |
| 04:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | RobinStamer: PXE? |
| 04:33 | < Syk> | time to install windows butthell 8 |
| 04:37 | < Syk> | wait nope |
| 04:37 | < Syk> | not enough SATA cables |
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| 05:43 | <@Tamber> | Syk: Apparently you *can* turn off/otherwise fiddle with the secure boot thingy on x86 machines, due to -- like you said -- the EU beating MS around the head if it were otherwise. If, however, it's a Win8 ARM machine; you're out of luck. |
| 05:43 | < Syk> | oh yeah |
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| 09:33 | <@froztbyte> | wilkommen |
| 09:38 | < thalass> | speaking of codery, my bluetooth adapter doesn't always play the game when i boot this machine, which means i have to use the keyboard to bring up BT preferences, and switch it off/on to get it to find the mouse. Sometimes i have to physically remove the device and reinsert it! |
| 09:39 | < thalass> | I should look into a shell script or something to run at login to make sure it's awake. |
| 09:39 | | thalass is now known as Thalass|fud |
| 09:39 | < Thalass|fud> | but first, dinner! |
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| 11:17 | <@RobinStamer> | Syka: don't know how to turn off secureboot. Don't know how to boot from USB either. |
| 11:17 | <@RobinStamer> | ToxicFrog: That works over Wifi? (it doesn't have an ethernet port) |
| 11:35 | < Thalass|fud> | Booting from USB just requires you to select USB as the primary boot device (either pushing escape like a crazy person when you power up, or changing the setting in bios). And having a bootable usb image as well, of course. |
| 11:36 | < Syka> | Thalass|fud: RobinStamer's problem is EFI Secureboot |
| 11:36 | < Syka> | aka FUNBARRELS |
| 11:39 | < Thalass|fud> | Oooo yes. Everything i've heard about that makes me whimper inside a bit. |
| 11:40 | < Syka> | also the reason why i'm not getting any x86 laptop from now on |
| 11:41 | | * RobinStamer is still looking for a step-by-step to get booted |
| 11:41 | <@RobinStamer> | Sigh |
| 11:41 | < Thalass|fud> | What about from someone like System76? They sell linux machines, surely that would mean the issues would be bypassed somehow? Or would you still not be able to install a different OS on those, too? |
| 11:42 | < Syka> | Thalass|fud: secureboot is optional to enable |
| 11:43 | < Syka> | Thalass|fud: like, if you're making a PC |
| 11:43 | < Syka> | you are supposed to be able to disable secureboot |
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| 11:45 | < Thalass> | ah |
| 11:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Except on arm systems |
| 11:55 | < Syka> | solution is to not use an ARM EFI secureboot system |
| 11:57 | <@TheWatcher> | In theory, yes. |
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| 12:18 | <@froztbyte> | http://board.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?13607 --- pro RTT |
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| 12:21 | <@TheWatcher> | I.. wat |
| 12:23 | <@froztbyte> | :D |
| 12:27 | <@froztbyte> | http://fail0verflow.com/blog/2013/megafail.html |
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| 12:58 | <@TheWatcher> | froztbyte: that's... special |
| 12:59 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 12:59 | < Syka> | http://www.yankodesign.com/2013/01/21/aha-the-mac-pro-concept/ |
| 12:59 | < Syka> | i hate designers so much |
| 13:00 | <@froztbyte> | haha Syka |
| 13:01 | < Syka> | http://www.yankodesign.com/2013/01/15/printer-is-officially-off-the-desk/ |
| 13:01 | < Syka> | so. much. |
| 13:01 | <@TheWatcher> | wtf is that shit O.o |
| 13:01 | < Syka> | http://www.yankodesign.com/2013/01/17/the-power-of-a-family-huddle/ |
| 13:01 | < Syka> | so. so. so goddam much |
| 13:02 | <@froztbyte> | you seem to hate the crazybad "ideator" kind, though |
| 13:02 | < Syka> | you know what they call good designers |
| 13:02 | <@froztbyte> | aka the ones who dream up random shit for the sake of dreaming up random shit |
| 13:02 | < Syka> | engineers |
| 13:02 | <@froztbyte> | *snrk* |
| 13:02 | < Syka> | because engineers fix problems |
| 13:02 | < Syka> | if you can fix a problem via clever design then that's engineering |
| 13:03 | <@froztbyte> | well, no |
| 13:03 | <@froztbyte> | what about actual visual design? |
| 13:03 | <@froztbyte> | think like UI, logo work, etc |
| 13:03 | < Syka> | that's graphic design not product design |
| 13:03 | < Syka> | graphic design is slightly less awful |
| 13:04 | | * TheWatcher attempts to parse 'You can use "Battery.Family" by inserting its small batteries that fir the size of a battery or batteries that a product uses.' |
| 13:04 | < Syka> | TheWatcher: basically |
| 13:04 | < Syka> | it's an AAA battery with lots of adapters |
| 13:04 | < Syka> | :D |
| 13:05 | <@froztbyte> | Syka: both are designers, though ;D |
| 13:05 | < Syka> | froztbyte stop using logic |
| 13:05 | <@froztbyte> | hahaha |
| 13:05 | < Syka> | it's far too late and nobody has time for that sensical bullshit' |
| 13:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, yes, which merely underlines how little the designer actually comprehends about /why there are different sizes of batteries/, but they apparently don't comprehend sentence construction, either. |
| 13:05 | < Syka> | TheWatcher: a lot of the yankodesign guys are korean |
| 13:06 | < Syka> | south korea is a fucking hotspot of bad product designers |
| 13:06 | < Syka> | for example: andrew kim |
| 13:06 | | * TheWatcher eyes the designer names now |
| 13:06 | < Syka> | speaking of |
| 13:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, you're probably right there - Kim+Kim |
| 13:06 | < Syka> | Andrew Kim is now working at Microsoft under the XBox division |
| 13:07 | | * Syka has a very large sad at this development |
| 13:07 | < Syka> | if you dont know who he is |
| 13:08 | < Syka> | he got minor-famous after he did a microsoft branding 'makeover' |
| 13:08 | < Syka> | http://www.reddrgn.net/tidbits/files/thenewms/6.jpg |
| 13:08 | < Syka> | let that just sort of sum up the quality of the entire thing |
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| 13:18 | < Thalasleep> | Graphic design at least has a purpose: Trying to convey an idea using a limited number of images (often just the one). Which takes some skill. This stuff is just random wankery. bleh. |
| 13:19 | < Thalasleep> | one: Didn't we just get away from rolled up paper printers like fifteen years ago? Maybe twenty. |
| 13:20 | < Syka> | Thalasleep: rolled paper is still common above A3, but otherwise yeah |
| 13:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, and in POS terminals |
| 13:21 | < Thalasleep> | two: Hooray, lets replace a battery that has ~22.5Wh of energy with one that has 1.8Wh at best. >.< |
| 13:21 | <@TheWatcher> | and in some industrial hardware systems |
| 13:21 | < Syka> | Thalasleep: there's also bunches of stupid shit |
| 13:21 | < Syka> | that Andrew Kim guy had a phone design that had a UV light inside the phone |
| 13:21 | < Syka> | to kill germs |
| 13:22 | < Syka> | and was made out of ~machined brass~ |
| 13:22 | | * TheWatcher blink |
| 13:22 | < Syka> | http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/a/htcone.html < here, I wrote an article where I tear it apart. NSFW language lols |
| 13:23 | < Thalasleep> | I can't even pronounce that website address. >.< |
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| 13:23 | < Syka> | 'reddrgn' -> 'red drgn' -> 'Red Dragon' |
| 13:23 | < Syka> | it's a dragon that's been disemvoweled |
| 13:26 | < Syka> | i kind of wrote like fourteen of those articles, because they're fun to write C: |
| 13:27 | < Thalass> | Oh sorry, the minimalist hipster website address :P |
| 13:28 | < Syka> | oh |
| 13:28 | < Syka> | yankodesign? |
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| 13:28 | < Syka> | yanko is some guy i think |
| 13:28 | < Syka> | but yes |
| 13:28 | < Thalass> | http://www.minimallyminimal.com/journal/2010/7/11/htc-1.html |
| 13:28 | < Syka> | other such good ideas is a HDD that has a giant magnet attached to it for holding paperclips, and an integrated speaker |
| 13:28 | < Thalass> | my mouth just goes minimibmiimbiblbibl |
| 13:28 | < Syka> | not even fucking kidding |
| 13:28 | < Thalass> | ... |
| 13:28 | < Syka> | Thalass: minimally minimal? yeah its kinda... silly |
| 13:29 | < Syka> | Thalass: if you don't trust me: http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/a/monami.html (nsfw language) |
| 13:29 | < Syka> | http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/files/monami/9.jpg < here's the speaker |
| 13:29 | < Syka> | http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/files/monami/10.jpg < here's the magnet! |
| 13:29 | < Thalass> | I'm still trying to get my head around "logic board/battery". Aside from being impractical, he's burying the battery in the middle. Removable battery = good. |
| 13:30 | < Syka> | Thalass: yeah, this guy doesn't understand products at all |
| 13:30 | < Thalass> | So in summary: This is wanky art shit with a technological theme. |
| 13:30 | < Syka> | Thalass: he later designed a TV, right |
| 13:30 | < Syka> | it had curved glass like CRTs did |
| 13:30 | < Syka> | as a 'homage' |
| 13:30 | < Syka> | and it had a tablet companion, that was charged via an inductive charger |
| 13:31 | < Syka> | the inductive charger was shaped like a coffee cup and you have to sit it on top of the tablet to charge it |
| 13:31 | < Syka> | oh yes, and he designed a cell phone that had an integrated purfume bottle that connected via magnets |
| 13:31 | <@RobinStamer> | That wall printer is kind of cool. The battery adapter thing though... yay for hanging on to more junk around the house. |
| 13:32 | < Syka> | ...and a line of vitamins |
| 13:32 | < Syka> | ...that are made by /Google/ |
| 13:32 | < Syka> | because apparently the best thing Google should do is make vitamin supplements? |
| 13:32 | < Syka> | so yeah |
| 13:32 | < Syka> | oh yes, another one of these guys 'invented' a printer |
| 13:33 | < Thalass> | ... |
| 13:33 | < Syka> | http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/files/arc/9.jpg |
| 13:33 | < Syka> | this is the printer |
| 13:33 | < Syka> | this is a different guy |
| 13:33 | < Syka> | but it prints the paper face-up |
| 13:33 | < Syka> | because it all coming out on a tray is confusing |
| 13:33 | < Syka> | and the only thing I can think of is "PUBLIC SERVANT SENSE... TINGLING..." |
| 13:34 | < Syka> | OH and it only prints A3 |
| 13:34 | < Syka> | and it got awarded some sort of design award! |
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| 13:35 | < Syka> | oh and someone else designed a phone |
| 13:35 | < Syka> | that had a unibody case |
| 13:35 | < Syka> | made of glass c: |
| 13:38 | < Thalass> | So you have to install the circuitry/screen/battery into molten glass inna mold? Awesome. |
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| 13:40 | < Thalasleep> | *thud* |
| 13:56 | <@froztbyte> | http://excelexposure.com/ --- heh, kinda cool |
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| 15:41 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Mounting a printer on the wall is a good idea, if you can make it shallow enough (which should be achievable). Using a roll is a good idea, but also a failure if you can't perfectly prevent the result from curling up |
| 15:48 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | hmm that phone.. a built in stand would be nice (if it had multiple angles), but the arguments against that version stand (heh). I see nothing wrong with using a phone as an alarm clock, I know multiple people that do; biggest flaw IMO is that the screen doesn't have a deep black (despite being LED, wtf?) |
| 15:49 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | The speaker on top is better than my phone (galaxy S3). WTF would you make it so the people across the room can hear better than you can? I often have to cup the phone to redirect the sound towards me |
| 15:50 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Stereo speakers would be awesome when in landscape mode, for videos and games |
| 16:11 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | On the laptop table.. that "super compact" usb flash drive is rather bulky by today's standards. It's quite possible make one that fits *entirely* in the usb port itself. Obviously usability is the limiter there |
| 16:12 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | oh, laptop speaker, not a laptop table |
| 16:14 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | No way to orient the mouse, so if you're holding it horizontally you'd be just as likely to hit forward or volume up as you are to hit volume down |
| 16:15 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | That face up, flush mounted usb port is awesome too. Count the seconds until it's filled with dirt or somebody's drink. Where's the drain hole? Is it dishwasher safe? |
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| 17:12 | <@Tamber> | In short, it's useless, pointless, detached-from-real-life design-wankery~ |
| 17:14 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 17:20 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | yup |
| 17:35 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Yeesh. You'd think it's be possible to find a chart that demonstrates how the spectrum of sunlight varies through the day |
| 17:36 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | But no, what you find is the canonical smoothed sunlight vs artificial lighting vs theoretical black bodies |
| 17:36 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | (okay, theoretical and black body is redundant) |
| 17:40 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Spent a couple hours trying to find information on "full spectrum" bulbs to help with sleep and SAD. All I've found is reasons why the details on the available products aren't sufficient. |
| 17:51 | < JustBob> | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19637047 |
| 17:53 | < JustBob> | http://web.mit.edu/dick/www/pdf/286.pdf |
| 17:54 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Yeah, I was sure research had been done on it, just couldn't find any |
| 17:56 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | First link has no download option (paywall?), second has no chart on different times of day (and is a BW scan of multicolour charts anyway, heh) |
| 17:57 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Not to be negative. It's just hard to get the info :) |
| 17:57 | < JustBob> | Well, if you're that concerned about the spectrum of light available, you could always do the physics. |
| 17:57 | < JustBob> | I mean, it's a standard optics problem. |
| 17:57 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | hmm? |
| 17:57 | < JustBob> | Generate an integral over the day, based on angle of the sun, transient change in path length due to changing solar angle, etc. |
| 17:58 | < JustBob> | (Hint: Sunlight doesn't really vary by spectrum over the day. It's a near-continuous distribution, hence 'full spectrum.') |
| 17:59 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Other than that blue sky/red sunset thing.. |
| 18:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, that's a scattering effect |
| 18:01 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Absolutely, yet critical to what light *we* get, as opposed to the solar radiation in space and its associated black body temperature |
| 18:01 | < JustBob> | Okay, so... Are you looking for info on SAD or something? |
| 18:01 | < JustBob> | Or just generic sleep problems? Get a pair of those blue-blocker orange glasses, give'em a try. They're not that pricy. |
| 18:02 | < JustBob> | Then look into the full-spectrum light thing. I used to use a pair of the glasses; put'em on ~3 hours before bedtime and it was fine to comp the insomnia and the effect of blue light glare everywhere. |
| 18:02 | < JustBob> | I figured that spending the cash on the glasses was cheaper than spending it on all the lights, not to mention my monitor tends towards harshness. |
| 18:03 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | JustBob: I have substantial sleep issues (medication has finally gotten me into the ballpark of manageable) and depression. My girlfriend has SAD (mitigated by working outside, but still there) |
| 18:04 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | If it *worked* I would be willing to spend a few grand on lighting as it's a medical issue for me. I don't have any confidence though |
| 18:04 | <@Alek> | bob: for monitor, there's programs that can adjust the colors to be easier on the eyes at night, etc. |
| 18:04 | <@Alek> | I recall seeing one such program quite recently. |
| 18:05 | <@Alek> | but can't remember the name. :( |
| 18:06 | < JustBob> | Alek - It doesn't bother me enough to make it worth the hassle. |
| 18:07 | < JustBob> | Rhamp - Can't help with the depression, but half the reason I know this crap is because I have shift sleep disorder, narcolepsy, and insomnia. Give the glasses a shot, before spending the money on the lights. Make sure to take your vitamin D. |
| 18:07 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | I'm not on any vitamins right now. Last time I tried they hurt my stomach. Need to find a decent family doctor first |
| 18:08 | < JustBob> | The vitamin D thing is probably a decent contributor, but I dunno, I take a multivitamin these days, instead of a D-tab. |
| 18:14 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | I've never made sense of public nutritional guidelines anyway. I was looking at one this weekend (might have been vitamin D) and you'd need to eat a pound and a half of mushrooms each day to hit the guideline |
| 18:15 | | Kindamoody|out is now known as Kindamoody |
| 18:15 | <@gnolam> | Vitamin D is the one you actually have a decent chance of having a deleterious deficiency of. |
| 18:16 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Mushrooms were #10 on their 10 most containing foods. Half the others were fortified, so they wouldn't contain it naturally |
| 18:17 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | IOW, it is NOT natural to have sufficient amounts in our diet |
| 18:17 | <@gnolam> | Well. We're supposed to have sunlight to provide us with it. |
| 18:18 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | And if it's not naturally from our diet.. it's not a vitamin at all :P |
| 18:18 | <@gnolam> | But when one's ancestors decided that a subarctic climate was just right for them... |
| 18:18 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Nope, still didn't get enough according to the guideline |
| 18:19 | < JustBob> | The guidelines overdo everything, if memory serves me right, to protect against a deficiency by oversupplying. |
| 18:21 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | I'm not arguing the significance of it, just that the classification is useless. "How much should we have?" "A BAJILLION!!!11!!!" "..." |
| 18:21 | <@Alek> | so, what's up with those C pills that provide 1333% of the RDA? |
| 18:21 | <@gnolam> | Alek: that people are irrational. |
| 18:22 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | afaik the guidelines are picked by finding the lowest dose (where having insufficient amounts will kill you) and the highest dose (where having too much will kill you) and picking an arbitrary point in the middle that makes them feel warm and fuzzy |
| 18:22 | <@gnolam> | Alek: If a little of something is good for you, then lots of it must be /really/ good for you! Right? :P |
| 18:23 | <@gnolam> | Now, for vitamin C it's not actually harmful, since we can tolerate massive doses of it. |
| 18:24 | <@gnolam> | But there's no benefit. |
| 18:24 | <@gnolam> | It's classic "alternative medicine". |
| 18:24 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | gnolam: doesn't cause acute death but may have more subtle longterm effects shortening your lifespan |
| 18:24 | <@Alek> | AND it gets pissed out and deteriorates pretty fast, too. |
| 18:24 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Which is starting to be discovered.. don't ask me about the specific research though, I long since forgot |
| 18:24 | < JustBob> | Heh. |
| 18:25 | <@Alek> | it oxidizes rapidly. |
| 18:25 | < JustBob> | I'm pretty sure that if I did a risk analysis, the fact that I have 500% my RDA of Vitamin C will be at the bottom of 'reasons Bob died.' |
| 18:25 | <@Alek> | :P |
| 18:26 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C_megadosage#Possible_adverse_effects |
| 18:27 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | rebound scurvy, woot! |
| 18:27 | <@gnolam> | (As Tim Minchin so eloquently puts it: "By definition, 'alternative medicine' has either not been proved to work or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.") |
| 18:31 | <@Alek> | ha |
| 18:31 | <@Alek> | This is equivalent to a 70 kilogram human ingesting 833 grams of vitamin C. |
| 18:31 | <@Alek> | (LD50) |
| 18:32 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Gotta love LD50 |
| 18:39 | <@Alek> | is python case-sensitive? |
| 18:39 | <@Alek> | perl? |
| 18:39 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | python yes, perl.. dunno |
| 18:40 | <@Alek> | java? |
| 18:40 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Pretty sure |
| 18:40 | <@Alek> | k |
| 18:40 | <@Alek> | Case-sensitive highlighting enabled. XD |
| 18:41 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Python module names are influenced by the OS, which is why the convention is to only use lowercase |
| 18:41 | <@Alek> | ahuh. |
| 18:43 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Any language on windows likely is. Consistency is key |
| 19:00 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Weee. The xgamma manpage says it's just a multiplication applied to the gamma values. However, brightness works properly, while gamma messes with the contrast somehow |
| 19:03 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Sorry, that's xrandr, not xgamma |
| 19:03 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | The xrandr manpage also says that since brightness is just a software multiplication to the gammas I should instead use xbrightness to change the backlight itself. xbrightness then states it's just using xrandr (presumably the API rather than the command line) |
| 19:03 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | ergh, xbacklight, not xbrightness |
| 19:04 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | And xbacklight doesn't work. --help works and an invalid display gives an error, but otherwise it prints nothing and has no effect |
| 19:07 | | * TheWatcher readsup |
| 19:07 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | xgamma works, but it loses contrast quickly as you lower the value. xrandr's brightness reduces the brightness with no loss in contrast. Both lose contrast when told to go up (unsurprising) |
| 19:07 | <@TheWatcher> | perl is case sensitive, yes. |
| 19:08 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | This monologue brought to you by Alek for suggesting a change to the monitor's brightness ;) |
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| 20:33 | <@Alek> | does python 2.7.x support {x} output formatting (the newer method, apparently, as opposed to %x) |
| 20:34 | <@Alek> | actually, I didn't suggest a change in monitor brightness. |
| 20:34 | <@gnolam> | Yes. |
| 20:34 | <@Alek> | I suggested programs that adjust the colors. using cooler ones in the nighttime, to be easier on the eyes. |
| 20:41 | <@Alek> | LPtHW teaches %x formatting. should I stick with that for now or learn both ways? |
| 20:47 | <~Vornicus> | I'd use the newer way |
| 20:47 | <~Vornicus> | a lot easier to work with |
| 20:49 | | * TheWatcher arghs vaguely at schema design |
| 20:50 | <~Vornicus> | honestly from what I've heard of lpthw I can't reallyrecommend it |
| 20:51 | <@Alek> | hah. |
| 20:51 | <@Alek> | it WAS recommended in here just this week. XD |
| 20:51 | <&Derakon> | The advantage of the % formatting system is that it's the same as used by printf, which is also used in a ton of other contexts. |
| 20:51 | <@Alek> | oh well, I've started already. |
| 20:51 | <&Derakon> | It's a bit like knowing how to use regexes -- it's a skill that will come in handy in many other situations. |
| 20:52 | <@froztbyte> | Vornicus: it appears to be better than the alternatives |
| 20:53 | <@froztbyte> | swaroop's thing appears to have gone py3, iirc |
| 20:53 | <@froztbyte> | which doesn't help anyone who wants to learn python and make use of the majority of public code today |
| 20:53 | <@froztbyte> | and I don't recall what the problem was with the other "big" one |
| 20:58 | <@gnolam> | The advantage of the {} formatting syntax is that it is slightly more powerful and flexible, in that you can have out-of-order and repeated insertions. |
| 21:12 | <~Vornicus> | swaroop's thing? |
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| 21:48 | <@Alek> | nobody cares about swaroop's thing. |
| 21:48 | <@Alek> | ?_? |
| 21:53 | <@celticminstrel> | So I randomly decided to make a rogue-like. |
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| 21:55 | <@Azash> | celticminstrel: Sounds like a neat project |
| 21:56 | <@celticminstrel> | Started last night and already have working combat! |
| 21:58 | <@Azash> | Woo |
| 21:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Sounds like you're certainly having a good stab at it |
| 22:01 | <@Azash> | TheWatcher: (????) YEEAAAHHHHH |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | :shades: |
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| 22:42 | <&Derakon> | And here I thought that emote was what happens when Kirby eats Meat Boy. |
| 23:25 | <@Reiv> | Man, I love using consistent aliases |
| 23:25 | | * Reiv copy+pastes a chunk of joins from one SQL query to another, doesn't change a damn thing and they link in perfectly |
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