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| 00:22 | < ToxicFrog> | And there goes the channel |
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| 02:06 | < RichyB> | ToxicFrog: I ran out of sensible questions. ;P |
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| 13:06 | < ErikMesoy> | Python's pickle looks like a powerful complicated thing that I may not want to touch, so for save/load of game state (which is mostly a set of variables) I considered writing a bunch of "playerHP=90" to file and using eval, but that looks potentially unsafe. |
| 13:06 | < ErikMesoy> | Is it better to wrap a bunch of sanity checks around eval use, or find some third way of doing this? |
| 13:10 | < ErikMesoy> | sanity checks being things like "only variable assignments" by means of calling split("=") and checking that I get text on the left, = in the middle and numbers on the right |
| 13:12 | < Syka> | save it in json? |
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| 13:17 | < ErikMesoy> | This sounds like it requires learning something in addition to implementing something. :p |
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| 13:18 | | * ErikMesoy goes to read the python json module |
| 13:20 | < ErikMesoy> | This looks like I would have to put my variables in objects. Have I understood right? |
| 13:20 | <@Azash> | Suggestion: Save everything that's used during game into a map (like 'hp' => int, 'name' => string etcetera) |
| 13:20 | <@Azash> | And write tools to serialize it into JSON and create a map from a JSON |
| 13:29 | < ErikMesoy> | Also, on consideration, I would have to use exec, not eval. eval throws a SyntaxError when asked to evaluate "spam = 5". |
| 13:30 | <@Azash> | This is why I suggested using a map |
| 13:30 | <@Azash> | Then you could parse A=B and tell it that the key identified by A has value B |
| 13:31 | <@Azash> | No need to start execing |
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| 13:52 | <@gnolam> | ErikMesoy: I second JSONing it. |
| 13:53 | <@gnolam> | Python's JSON module takes a trivial amount of time to learn, and JSON's hand-edit capability is great to have when debugging. |
| 13:57 | < Syka> | JSON is also pretty cool |
| 13:57 | < ErikMesoy> | Yeah, well, exec("playerHP=90") would also have great hand-edit capability. :p |
| 13:58 | < Syka> | and by hand edit capability |
| 13:59 | < Syka> | you mean players making their name =exec('rm -rf /') |
| 13:59 | < Syka> | would certainly make it fun |
| 13:59 | <@Tamber> | !!fun!! |
| 13:59 | < Syka> | ~fun~ |
| 13:59 | < ErikMesoy> | That's where the sanity checks come in. 'rm -rf /' isn't a number. |
| 14:00 | < Syka> | or, you use JSON |
| 14:00 | < ErikMesoy> | Yes. |
| 14:00 | < Syka> | which doesn't have any sort of execute capability anywhere |
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| 14:11 | <@froztbyte> | https://github.com/fogus/ulithp/blob/master/src/lithp.rb |
| 15:55 | < ToxicFrog> | ErikMesoy: your variables should be in objects or dictionaries anyways. |
| 15:57 | < ToxicFrog> | Just use JSON. |
| 16:13 | < ErikMesoy> | Is there something I should know before I use a generic empty class to make an object of? |
| 16:22 | <@Tarinaky> | 'generic empty class' you mean object? |
| 16:22 | <@Tarinaky> | a = object() # iirc |
| 16:23 | < ErikMesoy> | Oh, so python has built-in empty object support? neat |
| 16:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Strictly speaking, all object in python inherit from object |
| 16:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Which is, itself, a sugar for a dict. |
| 16:24 | <&McMartin> | And there's really astoundingly little daylight between classes, objects, dicts, and modules, yeah |
| 16:24 | < ErikMesoy> | And its definition is basically "class object: def __init__():" ? |
| 16:24 | <@Tarinaky> | It's a built in. |
| 16:24 | < ErikMesoy> | I got that, but does it do anything more than that? |
| 16:24 | <@Tarinaky> | It doesn't have a definition any more than an integer does. |
| 16:25 | < ToxicFrog> | Don't be obtuse |
| 16:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Sorry. |
| 16:25 | <@Tarinaky> | You don't need the def __init__() anyway. |
| 16:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Just class object: \n\t pass \n |
| 16:27 | < ToxicFrog> | ErikMesoy: object does in fact have a bunch of __methods__ (the base definitions of them, AIUI): |
| 16:27 | < ToxicFrog> | >>> dir(object) |
| 16:27 | < ToxicFrog> | ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__doc__', '__format__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__sizeof__', '__str__', '__subclasshook__'] |
| 16:27 | < ToxicFrog> | But that's it. |
| 16:31 | <&McMartin> | If you invoke hasattr() three times the King in Yellow shows up and devours your soul |
| 16:32 | <@Tamber> | :D |
| 16:33 | <&McMartin> | I'd forgotten that it's __getattribute__ but __setattr__ and __delattr__ |
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| 16:36 | < ErikMesoy> | McMartin: Like three times ever, or three times on the same object? |
| 16:37 | <&McMartin> | More "in rapid succession", I think. |
| 16:38 | <&McMartin> | The base reference here is to, well |
| 16:38 | <&McMartin> | Hastur, the King In Yellow, who tends to do the Beetlejuice thing in Lovecraft fanfic. |
| 16:39 | <@EvilDarkLord> | from time import sleep # For soul protection |
| 16:39 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 16:39 | < ErikMesoy> | Your explanation is like a pair of goggles, seeing as I'm more familiar with Lovecraft than Beetlejuice. :p |
| 16:39 | <&McMartin> | "Comes when called' |
| 16:40 | | * ErikMesoy explains the goggles. |
| 16:40 | <&McMartin> | They do nothing, I imagine. |
| 16:40 | <&McMartin> | Also, I did say "Lovecraft fanfic", not Lovecraft himself; I think he was used mostly by his imitators |
| 16:41 | <&McMartin> | And Ambrose Bierce, who doesn't count |
| 16:52 | | * ToxicFrog evicts kitten from my thesis |
| 16:53 | < ToxicFrog> | Dr. Grewal apparently likes to do everything in hardcopy despite being a CS professor, so I have a huge stack of paper here which, of course, is irresistable to cats. |
| 16:54 | <&McMartin> | \o/ |
| 16:58 | < Syka> | man |
| 16:58 | < Syka> | one day i have to write a paper |
| 16:58 | < Syka> | because that would be cool |
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| 17:10 | | * iospace hugs Syka |
| 17:11 | | * Syka hugs iospace |
| 17:11 | < Syka> | i has new houseplacething :3 |
| 17:11 | <@iospace> | nice |
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| 17:14 | < ErikMesoy> | http://wiki.wxpython.org/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions#How_do_I_get_out_of_wxSi zerHell_.3F <-- I resemble this remark. |
| 17:20 | <@gnolam> | And then you realize that you have to go back to sizer hell, because the "proper" sizers are buggy and/or have such poor performance that your entire UI suffers. |
| 17:24 | <&McMartin> | wx >_< |
| 17:45 | < ToxicFrog> | Syka: I recommend it, it's fun |
| 17:46 | < Syka> | ToxicFrog: I dunno what i'd write about though |
| 17:47 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 17:47 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah you do kind of need a topic you enjoy |
| 17:47 | < ErikMesoy> | McMartin: Hey, I tried tkinter and it was like "You already know this other thing, right? No? See its docs." |
| 17:50 | <@gnolam> | Tkinter is just unsuitable, period. |
| 17:50 | <@gnolam> | wx and Qt. Those are your two choices. |
| 18:08 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I've been a Qt4 partisan for some time |
| 18:08 | <&McMartin> | Though I admit freely that Qt4 is less "widget toolkit" and more "operating system" |
| 18:11 | < ToxicFrog> | At this point I'm flirting pretty heavily with "fuck GUIs forever, I will develop only for the command line" |
| 18:11 | | * McMartin tends to give his apps consolitis >_> |
| 18:14 | | * iospace whaps McMartin upside the head |
| 18:14 | | * EvilDarkLord eyebrows. A website indexed in Google Scholar is triggering some antiviral thingie in Chrome. |
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| 18:29 | <@Azash> | Syka: Conglaturation |
| 18:30 | < Syka> | :D |
| 18:31 | <@Tamber> | Conglomerations! |
| 18:33 | < ErikMesoy> | Conurbations! |
| 18:34 | < Syka> | ffff |
| 18:34 | < Syka> | my mobile doesn't work anywhere in here except right at the window -v- |
| 18:34 | < ToxicFrog> | What are we congratulating? |
| 18:35 | < Syka> | ToxicFrog: i moved into my new place |
| 18:35 | < Syka> | my very own place |
| 18:35 | < Syka> | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14290114/IMG_20130105_214238.jpg |
| 18:35 | < Syka> | chaos! |
| 18:36 | < Syka> | it's somewhat neater now |
| 18:36 | <&McMartin> | I think you need more clocks |
| 18:36 | <&McMartin> | And larger ones |
| 18:36 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure what time it is in that photo |
| 18:38 | < Syka> | rofl |
| 18:39 | <@EvilDarkLord> | Syka: Cool. So does this room double as your office now? |
| 18:43 | < ToxicFrog> | Syka: sweet! |
| 18:43 | < ToxicFrog> | Symbol and I just did the same. Still boxes everywhere! |
| 18:43 | < ToxicFrog> | The cats are super happy about it. |
| 18:44 | < Syka> | EvilDarkLord: yeah |
| 18:44 | < Syka> | kinda sorta |
| 18:44 | < Syka> | home business, whoo |
| 18:44 | < Syka> | can't wait for my new stuff to get here |
| 18:44 | <@EvilDarkLord> | Brave decision to put the TV in the same room. |
| 18:44 | < Syka> | i have a new screen, and the demo equipment for a little storage box i'm gonna sell |
| 18:45 | < Syka> | EvilDarkLord: I don't have any other rooms >v> |
| 18:45 | < Syka> | I have this room, which backs off into the kitchen, then my bedroom |
| 18:45 | < Syka> | and by bedroom, I mean 'hallway' |
| 18:45 | < Syka> | ...because my bed just fits in it |
| 18:47 | < ToxicFrog> | Hee |
| 18:47 | < ToxicFrog> | How big is it? Flat or house? |
| 18:48 | < Syka> | it's a flat, sort of thing |
| 18:48 | < Syka> | really, it's a housey bit on the side of some storage units, with a proper house on the other side |
| 18:48 | < Syka> | i'm in the flat bit, which is part of the same building as the storage |
| 18:49 | < Syka> | but yeah |
| 18:49 | < Syka> | ugh, tomorrow I have to go help the parents with some more shit |
| 18:50 | < Syka> | then I'm basically coming here, and ignoring the shit out of them |
| 18:50 | < Syka> | because today I spent six hours moving stuff, and I am not made for that in 40C heat :| |
| 18:51 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, 40C is pretty miserable. |
| 18:51 | | * McMartin offers a Proper American Lemonade. |
| 18:51 | <&McMartin> | which is apparently closer to what the Aussies call a lemon squash. |
| 18:52 | < Syka> | yay lemon squash |
| 18:52 | | * Syka adds much alcohol to it |
| 18:52 | | * McMartin also suggests crushed raspberries or strawberries. |
| 18:52 | <@EvilDarkLord> | Mmm, my deliciousense is tingling. |
| 18:54 | < Syka> | heh |
| 18:54 | <&McMartin> | (I have no idea if raspberry lemonade is a Thing elsewhere, but it is here, and, well, yes. It is Good Stuff) |
| 18:57 | | * Syka is paying for her own power now |
| 18:57 | | * Syka enables her monitors to turn off >v> |
| 18:57 | < ToxicFrog> | Snrk |
| 18:57 | < Syka> | they wouldnt turn off before |
| 18:58 | < Syka> | and xscreensaver would go nom nom gpu making spinning cubes |
| 19:07 | < ToxicFrog> | oh god kitten |
| 19:07 | < ToxicFrog> | she is eating my thesis |
| 19:08 | < Syka> | blind it with science |
| 19:08 | <@EvilDarkLord> | At least it's only paper now, it'd be worse if she started going through that pile of hardcovers that you generate at the end. |
| 19:09 | | Syka is now known as syksleep |
| 19:09 | <@EvilDarkLord> | You'll have a lot of practice finding places to hide them! |
| 19:16 | < ToxicFrog> | Books she doesn't really go for, it's just loose papers |
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