| --- Log opened Mon Nov 19 00:00:52 2012 |
| 00:02 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:10 | <&McMartin> | Hee |
| 00:10 | <&McMartin> | "Shaders! Turning fixed functionality into broken functionality since 2004" |
| 00:10 | <@Tamber> | hehe |
| 00:15 | | Reiv is now known as orthia |
| 00:17 | < celticminstrel> | Oh? |
| 01:09 | <@himi> | Speaking of shaders, McMartin, when you were abusing textures to pass vertex data into a shader for normal computation, how did you do it? |
| 01:10 | <@himi> | I mean, what format of data and so forth |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | Oh |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | That's the part I've been moving towards |
| 01:11 | <&McMartin> | sec |
| 01:13 | <&McMartin> | The mechanism planned is to use a luminance texture as a height map, with vertex location being reinterpreted as texture coordinates |
| 01:14 | <&McMartin> | Shaders can check texture coordinates more or less at will, and as many times as they want, so they can consult their neighbors for, say, normal computation. |
| 01:15 | <&McMartin> | Hilariously, since a vertex normal is the average of all neighboring ones (as long as there isn't a huge difference in heights, which if it's fractal it shouldn't have), *your actual local height* cancels out. |
| 01:15 | <&McMartin> | From the way the cross product math works. |
| 01:15 | | * McMartin is doing that all serially in the CPU right now. |
| 01:17 | <&McMartin> | Also, glLoadGen seems pretty solid |
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| 01:44 | < auREAX> | marvin pls stop hacking me |
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| 01:45 | < Reiv> | If Marvin is giving your computer commands, you've got bigger problems than Marvin. |
| 01:46 | <@Azash> | I'll worry when Marvin starts doing the startkeylogger thing |
| 01:46 | <&Derakon> | Why would he need to start it? It never stopped. |
| 01:48 | < celticminstrel> | Why would an IRC bot be giving my computer commands? :O |
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| 01:50 | < syksleep> | because he secretly wants to rule the world |
| 01:51 | < syksleep> | and maybe get enough computers to play Pandemic 2 and have a chance of winning via brute force |
| 01:54 | <@Tarinaky> | Sleep is for the decaffinated. |
| 01:57 | <@Tarinaky> | What I really need is a list of nouns and adjectives that sound really enterprise-y |
| 01:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Words like Dynamic. |
| 01:59 | <&Derakon> | http://www.businessbuzzwordbingo.com/ |
| 01:59 | <@Tarinaky> | Nah, not what I'm looking for. |
| 02:01 | <@Tamber> | http://search.cpan.org/~tels/Dev-Bollocks-0.06/lib/Dev/Bollocks.pm ? |
| 02:01 | <@Tarinaky> | No, I mean for building proper nouns/names. |
| 02:02 | <@Tarinaky> | Character generation... for businesses! |
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| 05:04 | <~Vornicus> | resources = [[value * max((n * bonus, letter + str(n)),((n-1) * (bonus + PER_PLANET_BONUS), upper(letter) + str(n-1))) for n in range(available_facilities + 1)] for value, bonus, letter in zip(mor, base_bonuses, "mor")] # Somebody beat me with a stick. |
| 05:05 | | * Derakon beats Vorn with the stick of "just because list comprehensions exist doesn't mean all one-liner for loops must be list comprehensions". |
| 05:07 | | * syksleep beats Vornicus with a bucket of buckyballs |
| 05:07 | < syksleep> | also |
| 05:07 | < syksleep> | http://savemagnets.com/ |
| 05:07 | | syksleep is now known as Syk |
| 05:07 | < Syk> | the us govt is trying to ban buckyballs |
| 05:08 | <@Alek> | ... |
| 05:08 | <@Tamber> | "trying to"? |
| 05:08 | < Syk> | or rather, 'are' |
| 05:08 | <@Tamber> | I thought they'd given up fighting already. |
| 05:11 | < Syk> | heh |
| 05:19 | <&Derakon> | The company that makes them gave up, yeah. |
| 05:19 | <&Derakon> | Zen Magnets, which makes a superior product (tighter specs on the diameter, for example), is also under fire. |
| 05:20 | <&Derakon> | http://zenmagnets.com/index.php?p=1_18_CPSC_Press_Release |
| 05:20 | < Syk> | america: land of the free |
| 05:21 | < Syk> | where it's easier to buy radioactive materials than small magnets |
| 05:21 | <&Derakon> | To be fair, if you swallow a couple of chips of rare earth magnets (and they chip easily), they'll bore holes through your small intestine. |
| 05:21 | <&Derakon> | Not so much fun. |
| 05:45 | | * Vornicus slowly teases apart this terrible listcomp |
| 05:45 | < Syk> | wheeee got my australian business number |
| 05:45 | < Syk> | now to apply for a name |
| 05:45 | < celticminstrel> | The US government tries a lot of stupid things... like acting as though they own the Internet... |
| 05:46 | <&Derakon> | That's hardly unique to the US government; everyone thinks that. |
| 05:46 | <&Derakon> | And I don't just mean all the other governments. |
| 05:46 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 05:46 | <&Derakon> | Though they're more likely to try to act on that belief than most actors. |
| 05:46 | <@Alek> | Syk: what's the business? |
| 05:47 | < Syk> | computer repair right now |
| 05:47 | < celticminstrel> | Well, my statement did include the word "acting", so... |
| 05:47 | < Syk> | in about 3 months, SaaS dev or something |
| 05:47 | <@Alek> | WeFixTheSyk |
| 05:47 | < Syk> | lols |
| 05:47 | < celticminstrel> | What on earth is this magnety nonsense... |
| 05:48 | | * Alek needs some feedback on a resume/CV... >_> |
| 05:48 | | * Syk eats Alek's resume, burps |
| 05:48 | < Syk> | is it in LaTEX |
| 05:48 | < Syk> | LaTeX* |
| 05:49 | <@Alek> | nope. |
| 05:49 | <@Alek> | pdf XD |
| 05:49 | | * jerith has been providing feedback on CVs recently, can take a look. |
| 05:49 | <@Alek> | exported from .doc |
| 05:49 | | * Syk sets fire to the evil .doc |
| 05:49 | < Syk> | :P sure pm me a link |
| 05:49 | <@Alek> | hey now, it's the de facto standard. XD |
| 05:49 | | * celticminstrel uses docx now. |
| 05:50 | < Syk> | so is Windows, doesn't mean it's any good~ |
| 05:50 | < celticminstrel> | Or sometimes rtf. |
| 05:50 | <@Alek> | well, sure, I can do docx too. |
| 05:50 | <@Alek> | in fact, I should. XD |
| 05:50 | <@Alek> | MO10E. |
| 05:50 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 05:50 | <@Alek> | Microsoft Office 2010 Enterprise |
| 05:51 | < Syk> | >Studied COBOL |
| 05:51 | < Syk> | you poor poor soul |
| 05:51 | < Syk> | :P |
| 05:51 | <@Alek> | I blame DeVry. |
| 05:52 | < celticminstrel> | Oh. I have Office 2011. |
| 05:52 | <@Alek> | it was on the CIS curriculum. right after BASIC. |
| 05:52 | <@Alek> | oh, there was also unix shell scripting. |
| 05:52 | < Syk> | I see nothing outwardly wrong with it... the formatting at the bottom is a little weird, and it probably needs tightening up in some areas ('flavours of Windows' isn't used by HR drones) |
| 05:52 | <@Alek> | but I don't remember any of that. |
| 05:52 | < Syk> | and don't say that, before they go "Oh good, someone who knows Windows 3.11 for Workgroups - we've got this machine in the corner that's been having some problems..." :P |
| 05:53 | <@Alek> | well, it's not getting sent to a HR drone. not directly, anyway. but yeah, good pint. |
| 05:53 | <@Alek> | point. |
| 05:53 | <@Alek> | do I need to change this keyboard? sheesh. |
| 05:53 | < Syk> | specify the versions (XP, Vista, 7, 8) |
| 05:53 | <@Alek> | ALL. |
| 05:53 | <@Alek> | I've used them all from 3.11 onwards. |
| 05:53 | < Syk> | do you want to work somewhere that operationally uses anything before XP? |
| 05:53 | <@Alek> | MAY have used something older before I knew the difference. XD |
| 05:54 | <@Alek> | well, 98SE wasn't that bad. >_> |
| 05:54 | <@Alek> | but true. XD |
| 05:54 | < Syk> | only list the relevant things |
| 05:54 | < celticminstrel> | Are we talking about versions of windows used? |
| 05:55 | < Syk> | and don't use "etc" after two examples |
| 05:55 | < celticminstrel> | I guess I've used 3.1 (minimally), 95, 98, XP, and 7... oh, and ME. |
| 05:55 | < celticminstrel> | Some more than others. Win7 only at school. |
| 05:55 | < Syk> | so, not NT4, 2000, Vista or 8 RT? :P |
| 05:56 | <@Alek> | :P |
| 05:56 | < celticminstrel> | Pretty sure I haven't used NT or 2000. |
| 05:56 | < Syk> | oh wait i mixed up there |
| 05:56 | <@Alek> | oh, I haven't touched 8 yet. so there's that. |
| 05:56 | < celticminstrel> | Nor Vista. |
| 05:56 | < Syk> | celticminstrel: i thought you were Alek for a second lol |
| 05:56 | < Syk> | but yeah |
| 05:56 | | * Vornicus ends up with 14 lines of code instead of that listcomp |
| 05:56 | < celticminstrel> | Unless the school computers had Vista before they updated to 7. |
| 05:56 | < Syk> | 8 is being used by businesses that don't like business continuity or sanity |
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| 05:59 | <&jerith> | Vornicus: Was it a very complicated listcomp? |
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| 06:01 | <~Vornicus> | jerith: I wrote it up there. It built a 2d list with tuples inside, selecting between two possible tuples using max. |
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| 06:02 | <&jerith> | Yes. Yes, it is. |
| 06:02 | <@Alek> | back. |
| 06:02 | <@Alek> | what did I miss? |
| 06:02 | <~Vornicus> | jerith asked if my listcomp was complicated and I described it to him. |
| 06:06 | <@Alek> | so, please remind me what the things I should change were? |
| 06:06 | <@Alek> | Windows, flavors of. etc. |
| 06:07 | <@Alek> | besides those. |
| 06:07 | < Syk> | "I can learn" should be a 'skill' rather than experience |
| 06:07 | <@Alek> | maybe s/can/want to/ |
| 06:07 | < Syk> | yeah |
| 06:08 | <@Alek> | maybe change it to Skills And Experience? |
| 06:10 | <@froztbyte> | hello world |
| 06:11 | <@Alek> | Error: Invalid Exception |
| 06:11 | <&jerith> | Hello froztbyte. |
| 06:11 | < Syk> | hello planetoid |
| 06:11 | | * Alek needs to finish up this resume so he can mail it off and go to sleep. he needs to be up in 5 hours. :( |
| 06:12 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: which TZ are you in? somewhere in leftpondia? |
| 06:13 | <@Alek> | GMT-6 |
| 06:13 | <@Alek> | so yeah. |
| 06:13 | <@Alek> | it's just past midnight here. |
| 06:14 | < celticminstrel> | Quarter past one for me. :/ |
| 06:15 | < Syk> | whoo business name registered |
| 06:15 | <@Alek> | east coaster. |
| 06:15 | <@Alek> | XD |
| 06:15 | | * Syk is actually a business now :U |
| 06:15 | <@Alek> | Syk: so what did you choose? |
| 06:15 | < Syk> | if i told you that, I would have to kill you c: |
| 06:15 | < Syk> | (mainly because literally all my personal details are gettable via the ASIC register now) |
| 06:16 | | ErikMesoy|sleep is now known as ErikMesoy |
| 06:20 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|out |
| 06:23 | | * Azash suspects Kindamoody is Erik's secret identity |
| 06:23 | <@Azash> | Syk: Nice \o/ |
| 06:24 | < Syk> | :3 now for gaems |
| 06:24 | <@Kindamoody|out> | wut |
| 06:25 | <@Azash> | Syk: I'll make sure I leech advice from you when I feel ready to do the whole entrepreneurship thing myself |
| 06:25 | <@Kindamoody|out> | I'm not Erik! I'm me!!! |
| 06:25 | <@Azash> | Kindamoody|out: yeah, just thought it was funny |
| 06:25 | <@Kindamoody|out> | :P |
| 06:25 | <@Azash> | How Erik comes back from sleep and you append |out |
| 06:26 | <@Kindamoody|out> | Hehe. ^^ |
| 06:26 | | * Kindamoody|out proceeds out, has a shed to build. |
| 06:26 | <@Alek> | heh. Send As is useful, in gmail. but you gotta remember to use it. XD |
| 06:27 | <@ErikMesoy> | I deny everything |
| 06:27 | <@Alek> | and it doesn't even remember it for a message chain. |
| 06:28 | <@Alek> | so I need to send off this resume to a guy who was recommended to me by a mutual acquaintance. |
| 06:29 | <@Alek> | how do I Subject? gah |
| 06:29 | | * Alek is le bad at this type of thing. |
| 06:36 | <&McMartin> | Whoops. Looks like Iodine doesn't support vertex textures. |
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| 06:37 | <~Vornicus> | ...vertex textures? |
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| 06:38 | | * Alek ponders including both a .doc and a .pdf versions of resume. |
| 06:39 | < Syk> | Alek: .doc is useless |
| 06:39 | < Syk> | send only pdf |
| 06:39 | <@Alek> | and what if he doesn't have a pdf reader? |
| 06:39 | <~Vornicus> | I know literally noone without a pdf reader |
| 06:39 | < Syk> | i'm sorry, did i fall into 1998 again? |
| 06:40 | <~Vornicus> | If I sent my grandmother a PDF ten years ago she would have been able to open it. |
| 06:40 | <@Alek> | fresh PCs usually don't come with a reader preinstalled even now, in my experience. but ehh. |
| 06:40 | <@Alek> | also, see gubbermint computers. not that this is a gubbermint office. |
| 06:41 | <~Vornicus> | I haven't met a government computer without a pdf reader either. |
| 06:41 | < Syk> | Alek: what kind of business uses 'fresh pcs' |
| 06:41 | < Syk> | and PDF is standard in nearly every government organisation |
| 06:41 | <@Tamber> | I normally send a PDF and HTML copy, and offer others if they're needed. |
| 06:41 | <&jerith> | PDF is a pretty standard format. |
| 06:41 | < Syk> | PDF-A is uses heavily in anywhere federal |
| 06:41 | <@Alek> | hm. |
| 06:41 | <@Alek> | ok. |
| 06:42 | <&jerith> | gmail will show it to you through the interwebs, too. |
| 06:42 | < Syk> | unless their IT department breathes through their ass |
| 06:42 | < Syk> | and is actually a deep sea fish |
| 06:42 | < Syk> | they'll have a PDF reader |
| 06:42 | < Syk> | if not 7 |
| 06:43 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 06:44 | <@Alek> | ok, I probably should include a few lines on my other employment. |
| 06:44 | <@Alek> | what's a nice way to say "warehouse monkey" and "temp jobber"? |
| 06:44 | < Syk> | 'point of shipping order synergiser' |
| 06:46 | <~Vornicus> | find the actual title of the job. |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> | neither "warehouse monkey" nor "temp jobber" are that. |
| 06:47 | <@Alek> | mmm. true. I just don't really want to clog it up with a bunch of temp-job listings and titles. |
| 06:48 | <~Vornicus> | don't have to put them all. Or even most. |
| 06:50 | <@Alek> | nngh. |
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| 06:50 | <@Alek> | I just want a good, steady, long-term job. Is that so much to ask? :( |
| 06:52 | < Syk> | pick any two |
| 06:53 | <@Alek> | har har |
| 06:53 | <@Azash> | "Next, we will introduce you to sed, which is powerful like a roundhouse kick, but painful to get just right." |
| 06:53 | | * Azash nods approvingly |
| 06:54 | | * Alek ponders. |
| 06:55 | <@Alek> | there's basically 2 positions I've got my eye on here. |
| 06:55 | <@Alek> | one is a glorified data entry clerk, but I'm more or less qualified. |
| 06:55 | <@Alek> | the other I'm not really qualified for, it's a jr software developer, but I'd like a chance. |
| 06:55 | <@Alek> | should I mention anything? |
| 06:55 | < Syk> | well being qualified is a start |
| 06:56 | <@Alek> | whether in the email or in the resume, like in the Objective? |
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| 08:09 | <&McMartin> | Rargh |
| 08:09 | <&McMartin> | None of my sampler2D objects work |
| 08:09 | <&McMartin> | Either in the vertex *or* the fragment shader; texture2d() invariably returns (0.0,0.0,0.0,1.0) |
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| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | Alternately, I just can't load textures of any kind, wtfx |
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| 09:15 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
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| 09:42 | <&McMartin> | wharrrgrbl |
| 09:42 | | * McMartin makes it work, finally. |
| 09:44 | <&McMartin> | Apparently if I don't tell it that the max level of detail is 0, it will start using nonexistent textures. -_- |
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| 09:55 | <&McMartin> | So |
| 09:55 | <&McMartin> | Things I learned tonight: |
| 09:55 | <&McMartin> | Despite the fact that all OpenGL 2.x chips must support at least 2 texture units, they only have to support a maximum of zero in the vertex shader. |
| 09:55 | <&McMartin> | When you define a texture with glTexImage2D, unless you say that the max mipmap level is 0 instead of 1000, then even if you're using a non-mipmap sampler on the texture it will still feel free to index into nonexistent textures, effectively ignoring glEnable(GL_TEXTURE_2D) in addition to making it look like your shader is broken when it's not |
| 09:55 | <&McMartin> | Luminance textures do not preserve the values they are fed, breaking them up into human-consumable RGB combinations that are not easy to recombine on the fly. |
| 09:58 | < ReivDriod> | ... what the shit |
| 09:59 | < ReivDriod> | Why on earth would you do that. |
| 10:00 | <&McMartin> | Why would I use Luminance textures, or what do they work like that? |
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| 10:01 | <&McMartin> | The work like that because the way luminance textures are supposed to work is that they turn into grayscale when rendered in an RGBA context (which, AFAICT, shader contexts always are, as are normal texture display)... |
| 10:02 | <&McMartin> | ... and because the human retina reacts more strongly to green, for instance, you need to increase the R, G, and B components at different rates for a steady increase in luminance to appear to in fact *be* a steady increase from dimmest to brightest. |
| 10:02 | <&McMartin> | This is noticably less awesome when you're actually trying to use it to store a heightmap, though. -_- |
| 10:03 | | * McMartin solved that one by saying "This will be an RGBA texture but the only value I'm sending you in it is the Green intensity." |
| 10:03 | < ReivDriod> | ... Ah. So you mean the system makes sense, but you're trying to hack it? |
| 10:04 | <&McMartin> | More or less |
| 10:04 | <&McMartin> | The trick I've been trying to do here is to use OpenGL textures to describe terrain geometry. |
| 10:04 | <&McMartin> | It turns out that despite the OpenGL 2.1 spec totally allowing this, there's a casual side note that says that you can be OpenGL 2.1 compliant and still not allow it. -_- |
| 10:05 | <&McMartin> | So, for instance, now this machine right here can't run the demo anymore. |
| 10:05 | <&McMartin> | Hee |
| 10:05 | <&McMartin> | "Nope, I'm busy. Trains to build, top hats and monocles to wear." |
| 10:05 | < ReivDriod> | ... So allowed but not compulsory? |
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| 10:06 | <&McMartin> | YEah |
| 10:06 | <&McMartin> | Which means "if you intend it to be more than a tech demo, forbidden" -_- |
| 10:12 | < Syk> | just finished setting up Google Apps |
| 10:13 | < Syk> | apart from the requisite DNS screwassery, it's great and rather easy to use |
| 10:13 | < Syk> | (also free for 10 users, which is good) |
| 10:14 | < Syk> | so yes. it gets a 9/10, syka would recommend |
| 10:14 | < Syk> | which as Tamber would know, means it is rather good |
| 10:14 | < Nemu> | What would make it a 10? |
| 10:14 | < Syk> | :P |
| 10:14 | < Syk> | Nemu: if I didn't have to log out of my personal google account to do anything |
| 10:14 | < Syk> | but thats fine as i can use it on my phone/tablet |
| 10:14 | <&jerith> | Syk: You can use both. |
| 10:15 | < Syk> | 'you can use both' |
| 10:15 | < Syk> | in theory, yes |
| 10:15 | <&jerith> | It's a bit tricky if you click on links to docs or something. |
| 10:15 | < Syk> | in actuality, use G+ and it screws everything up |
| 10:15 | | * jerith uses both. |
| 10:15 | <&jerith> | My work account has G+ as disabled as it can be. |
| 10:16 | < Syk> | heh |
| 10:16 | < Syk> | i'm probably going to need one, and probably a facebook account too |
| 10:16 | < Syk> | argh fucking marketing |
| 10:20 | < ReivDriod> | Google apps being? |
| 10:22 | < Syk> | ReivDriod: GMail, Docs, etc for businesses |
| 10:22 | < Syk> | and you use your own domain |
| 10:23 | < ReivDriod> | Oh yes I remember that, know a couple consultants that use it, and my university used gmail for student accounts too |
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| 11:49 | | * McMartin is now using immediate mode to submit the same 200-odd vertices 64 times per frame. |
| 11:49 | <&McMartin> | Maybe I should look into those Vertex Buffer Object thingies. |
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| 16:57 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh for fuck's sake, why won't this commit push :/ |
| 16:58 | < AnnoDomini> | What does it say? |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | It says there's a non-fast-forward commit. |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | But when I pull it says I'm up to date and there's nothing to merge. |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | ://// |
| 16:59 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh goodie. It works if I do it from the CLI. |
| 17:00 | < AnnoDomini> | How else can you do it? |
| 17:00 | <@Tarinaky> | From Eclipse. |
| 17:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Eeech |
| 17:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Because Windows isn't well known for its superb CLI. |
| 17:00 | | * TheWatcher gets out the crucifix |
| 17:00 | <&jerith> | Eclipse VCS integration assumes everything is CVS. |
| 17:00 | | * RichyB grabs the book, bell and water. |
| 17:00 | <@TheWatcher> | And it is also shit |
| 17:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Tarinaky: install cygwin, use that. |
| 17:01 | <@Tarinaky> | I am using that. |
| 17:01 | <@Tarinaky> | We have had long discussions over the particular ways that fucks everything up. |
| 17:02 | | * AnnoDomini swaps RichyB's water for a candelabrum. |
| 17:03 | <&jerith> | git was written to manage the Linux kernel. I don't think Windows support is very high on their interest list. |
| 17:03 | <~Vornicus> | Tarinaky: what vcs? |
| 17:03 | <@Tarinaky> | Is there a way to undo a commit on a particular file? |
| 17:03 | <&jerith> | Vornicus: git, by the "fast-forward" reference. |
| 17:03 | <@Tarinaky> | I've fucked something up/ |
| 17:04 | <&jerith> | Tarinaky: You can fix it and then "git commit --amend". |
| 17:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Two problems with that. |
| 17:04 | <@Tarinaky> | The fix is "I want to undo all the changes to a particular file, made by a particular commit" |
| 17:04 | <&jerith> | Or you can "git reset --soft HEAD^", fix it and commit again. |
| 17:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Every other file is fine. |
| 17:04 | <&jerith> | Oh, is it not the most recent commit? |
| 17:05 | <@Tarinaky> | It is the most recent commit. |
| 17:05 | <@Tarinaky> | The commit is also pushed so amend is bad. |
| 17:05 | <&jerith> | Oh, it's pushed. |
| 17:05 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't mind making another commit. |
| 17:05 | <&jerith> | Hrm. |
| 17:05 | <@Tarinaky> | But I need to undo the changes made to a particular file. |
| 17:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Can't I tease a patch or something out of git? |
| 17:06 | <&jerith> | "git diff HEAD^" will give you the diff. |
| 17:06 | <@Tarinaky> | It gives me nothing. |
| 17:07 | <~Vornicus> | I have some shell integration thing for git. I don't remember if it was tortoise or soemthing else. |
| 17:07 | <&jerith> | Then you can apply it in reverse (patch has a flag for that), checkout all the files it changed that aren't the one you want to revert and commit the remaining one. |
| 17:07 | <&jerith> | That's strange. |
| 17:10 | < RichyB> | Tarinaky: git log -p file # will give you diffs from all of the commits that touched file. |
| 17:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Argh. |
| 17:10 | < RichyB> | Pick out the revision number of the change that you want to undo on that one file, and the commit before that one. |
| 17:10 | <@Tarinaky> | I can't even get the damn thing to merge this fucking commit right in the first fucking place. |
| 17:11 | < RichyB> | git diff commit1 commit2 | patch -p0 -R |
| 17:11 | < RichyB> | oh, oops |
| 17:11 | < RichyB> | git diff commit1 commit2 file | patch -p0 -R |
| 17:12 | < RichyB> | in fact, you can just write "git diff commit1 commit1^ file", which is nice. |
| 17:12 | < RichyB> | no need to look up the other one. |
| 17:13 | <@Tarinaky> | Why won't this fucking thing do the right fucking thing :/ |
| 17:14 | < RichyB> | Because you're angry and you don't understand the state that you've gotten your tree into. |
| 17:15 | <@Tarinaky> | No. I don't. |
| 17:16 | <@Tarinaky> | How the fuck do I unfuck this? |
| 17:16 | <&jerith> | git is a tool that is prone to this kind of problem. |
| 17:16 | <@Tarinaky> | This commit doesn't even touch Monster.java |
| 17:16 | <@Tarinaky> | So why the fuck does merging it touch it? |
| 17:19 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay. Never mind. Got it. |
| 17:19 | <@Tarinaky> | I think. |
| 17:20 | < AnnoDomini> | I once had trouble with commits so I uncommitted stuff with the HARD option. It kind of brought me back to the version on the remote repository, cancelling all my changes, but there weren't very many, thankfully. |
| 17:21 | <@Tarinaky> | I still don't know if this is fixed because my test coverage is incomplete. |
| 17:22 | <&jerith> | If it's untested, assume it's broken. |
| 17:23 | <&jerith> | Then fix it by writing tests to see if it works. |
| 17:23 | <&jerith> | (And fixing it if it doesn't.) |
| 17:25 | <@Tarinaky> | This is a bit chicken and egg though. |
| 17:27 | <&jerith> | Why? |
| 17:27 | <&jerith> | Write a test to see if it works. |
| 17:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Like? |
| 17:29 | <&jerith> | Dunno. |
| 17:29 | <&jerith> | I don't know your code. |
| 17:29 | <@Tarinaky> | Neither do I. I haven't looked at it for 10 days. |
| 17:29 | <@Tarinaky> | I've slept since then. |
| 17:30 | <@Tarinaky> | The gaps in the unit tests coincide with where the system tests are supposed to be. |
| 17:30 | <@Tarinaky> | Except the system tests don't exist yet, because there isn't a system. |
| 17:30 | <&jerith> | Then it's a good chance to familiarise yourself with it again. |
| 17:30 | <@Tarinaky> | Except I only had to add one patch. |
| 18:08 | <@Tamber> | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430711_10151125923611401_ 380783041_n.jpg |
| 18:15 | < RichyB> | Original source: http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2012/11/19/0430-software-engineering-now-with-cats/ |
| 18:16 | < RichyB> | If you don't hate the very concept of webcomics, or even comics on the internet, with the marrows of your bones themselves, then you might want to be reading Sandra and Woo. |
| 18:17 | <@Tamber> | Meh. That's the link that cropped up elsechan. |
| 18:23 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 18:27 | <~Vornicus> | I preferred the one with the tire swing. |
| 19:41 | <&jerith> | I don't really like that analogy. |
| 19:42 | <&jerith> | It follows the "software development as construction" fallacy. |
| 20:07 | <@Tarinaky> | I like the first panel of the "How software is designed" thing. |
| 20:08 | <@Tarinaky> | With the varying levels of detail. |
| 20:08 | <@Tarinaky> | "pfft, it's a tail. How hard could it be..." |
| 20:08 | <@Tarinaky> | *80% of the project budget later* |
| 20:19 | <@Tarinaky> | "Not only were we able to find intelligent life among the stars, we were amazed at how similar with us they were. The only problem is our internet addressing schemes are mutually incompatable - so we're holding out on celestial horrors with IPv6." |
| 20:21 | <@ErikMesoy> | What's that from? |
| 20:22 | <@Tarinaky> | My imagination. |
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| 20:37 | < RichyB> | Tamber: sorry, wasn't criticising you, just noting that if you liked that at all, you might want to be reading their entire archive. |
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| 21:10 | <@Tamber> | Ah. |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | Kittybrain is only 4% |
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| 23:07 | | * McMartin commits a one-character bugfix. |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | I think that's a new record for me. |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | Protip: when initializing fields, f_ = f_; doesn't work as well as f_ = f; does, though both compile happily. |
| 23:08 | <~Vornicus> | Now all you need is a 0-character bugfix. |
| 23:08 | <~Vornicus> | I don't know what that would look like. |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | RESOLVED WORKSFORME |
| 23:08 | <~Vornicus> | that's not a bugfix |
| 23:09 | <&McMartin> | Elsenet, it is suggested that fixing a letter's capitalization counts as a "one bit bugfix" |
| 23:11 | <~Vornicus> | nice |
| 23:11 | <&McMartin> | What's impressive is how corner-casey this particular rather flagrant bug ended up being. |
| 23:11 | <&McMartin> | Like, of something like 30 operations modes for this object, this only produced a bad result in one of them. |
| 23:16 | <~Vornicus> | man |
| 23:21 | <&McMartin> | Man, VMware's mostly-software OpenGL implementation is better than Iodine's hardware. -_- |
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