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| 00:05 | < Tarinaky> | Okay. So one of my Haddrives, when I updated, I left unhanged. |
| 00:05 | < Tarinaky> | That is to say, I didn't format it. |
| 00:05 | < Tarinaky> | How do I change the disk's 'owner' in Windows7? |
| 00:06 | < Tarinaky> | Since, I think, the file permissions are still pointing at the now nonexistant user account for the XP install that doesn't exist any more. |
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| 00:13 | < Tarinaky> | Ahah! Found the blighter! |
| 00:18 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:22 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:58 | <@Alek> | GFY |
| 00:58 | <@Alek> | ?_? |
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| 03:21 | < ToxicFrog> | ohgodohgodohgodohgod |
| 03:21 | < ToxicFrog> | email from google |
| 03:28 | <~Vornicus> | ohgodohgodohgod |
| 03:29 | <~Vornicus> | ohgod |
| 03:29 | <~Vornicus> | (had to get the right number in there) |
| 03:31 | < ToxicFrog> | They want to know when is convenient to do the initial phone conversation |
| 03:31 | < ToxicFrog> | brb, freaking out |
| 03:32 | <@Alek> | good luck! |
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| 03:49 | < ToxicFrog> | Naming! |
| 03:49 | < ToxicFrog> | read/write |
| 03:49 | < ToxicFrog> | load/save |
| 03:49 | < ToxicFrog> | parse/??? |
| 03:49 | < ToxicFrog> | source -> AST is parsing; what do you call the AST -> source operation? |
| 03:54 | <~Vornicus> | decompile |
| 03:54 | < ToxicFrog> | hmmm |
| 03:54 | < ToxicFrog> | Don't really like that at all |
| 03:55 | < ToxicFrog> | It implies you're going generated code -> source, and that it is in fact code, neither of which is true here |
| 03:55 | < ToxicFrog> | The operation here is prettyprinting source without compiling it, or writing out a config file, or the like |
| 03:56 | < ToxicFrog> | Maybe just 'print' |
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| 04:41 | < ToxicFrog> | reply sent |
| 04:41 | < ToxicFrog> | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:41 | <~Vornicus> | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:49 | <@Alek> | aaaaaaaaaaaaa*chokesfallsoverunconscious* |
| 04:55 | | * Vornicus gets around to poking at the other-players side of the thingy. |
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| 05:07 | | * Vornicus pokes around in his art. |
| 05:08 | <~Vornicus> | THis would be more pleasant, I think, if I had picked a size and ran with it. |
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| 05:12 | <~Vornicus> | As it is, I have things that are (for the smallest available size) 6px, 10px, 12px, 10*18px... |
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| 11:08 | < Nemu> | Man, has anyone else noticed that Adobe flash is getting even pushier about automatic updates? Also, that Firefox has either a new memory leak, or a massive footprint when idling |
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| 11:16 | <@TheWatcher> | The former is probably out of desperation to try and make people update, given how massively full of holes flash is. |
| 11:16 | <@TheWatcher> | The latter, I'd put money on it being a little from column a and a little from column b these days. |
| 11:17 | < Nemu> | Like, is there alternatives? I don't really like chrome, and IE is right out |
| 11:17 | < Nemu> | *are there alternatives, rather |
| 11:17 | | * Tamber balances elinks on Nemu, runs away. |
| 11:17 | <@TheWatcher> | (of course, if you've got the flash plugin in firefox, there's a good chance a significant amount of memory is being leaked by that. It's pretty horrible) |
| 11:18 | <@TheWatcher> | I use Opera, it's pretty decent. Not as small or fast as it was around the 10.x series, but still acceptable. |
| 11:18 | | io\t-2 is now known as iospace |
| 11:20 | < Nemu> | Yeah, I think it's the flash plugin, but still... |
| 11:20 | | * Nemu looks at elinks |
| 11:20 | < Nemu> | Features: Mouse support |
| 11:20 | < Nemu> | How very 1990 |
| 11:23 | < Nemu> | I really appreciate that FOSS always tries to simplify their programs and remove unnecessary cruft, but I think that a text-based internet browser isn't really taking advantage of our current media-rich internet environment |
| 11:23 | < Nemu> | Must fill a different niche, or something |
| 11:24 | <@Tamber> | "media-rich"? Oh, you mean all that annoying tat that keeps getting stuck around the content? :p |
| 11:25 | < RichyB> | Using elinks in anger is... let's ignore elinks. |
| 11:25 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 11:25 | < Nemu> | Actually, I was just thinking about what it would be good for. |
| 11:26 | < RichyB> | Using lynx in anger is like saying "everything except the text is irrelevant". |
| 11:26 | <@Tamber> | It's handy for de-HTML-ing emails, IME. |
| 11:26 | < sshine> | or de-HTML-ing webpages. :) |
| 11:26 | <@Tamber> | That too! |
| 11:27 | < sshine> | I used it recently to create a crawler for an intranet to create a TOC. |
| 11:27 | < Nemu> | I was thinking it may reduce bandwidth consumption, but I think webpages are served in a complete chunk, meaning elinks still receives the images, and discards the data |
| 11:27 | <@Tamber> | Nemu, nope. Separate requests for all of it. |
| 11:27 | < Nemu> | Really? Cool. |
| 11:27 | < Nemu> | Ah, hmm, yeah, I suppose I can see how that would work |
| 11:27 | < Nemu> | Everything's a file |
| 11:28 | < RichyB> | Nemu, very no. You *can* make web pages that include images and so on that are served as a single chunk but it's slightly dark magic. :) |
| 11:28 | < RichyB> | and involves lots and lots of heinous javascript. |
| 11:28 | < RichyB> | Do you have Chrome? Or Firebug? |
| 11:28 | < RichyB> | or Safari? |
| 11:28 | < Nemu> | Firebug? |
| 11:29 | <@Tamber> | Slightly more seriously, I have no recommendations for browsers; I use Firefox because I've just got it more or less to a point I don't hate it too much. I'm fairly sure the only way I could get the browser I *want* would involve writing my own, though. ?? |
| 11:29 | < RichyB> | actually, recent Firefox will do |
| 11:29 | < RichyB> | firefox |
| 11:29 | < RichyB> | ugh, wrong window |
| 11:29 | < RichyB> | Nemu, firebug is a html, css and javascript debugging tool for Firefox. |
| 11:30 | < Nemu> | Yeah, I was just reading about it on Wikipedia |
| 11:31 | < RichyB> | So, bring up firefox, go to the menu, Tools -> Web Developer -> Web Console |
| 11:32 | < RichyB> | Brings down a little console. Neat thing, you can type javascript statements and expressions into it and it'll evaluate them. |
| 11:32 | < RichyB> | Four buttons at the top. Net, CSS, JS, Logging. |
| 11:32 | < sshine> | Tamber, writing your own browser isn't too difficult with webkit. several of my fellow students did it. |
| 11:33 | <@TheWatcher> | RichyB: I vaguely note that firebug is not unique, opera has Dragonfly, IE actually has a built-in debugger these days too |
| 11:33 | <@TheWatcher> | No idea bout chrome or safari, though |
| 11:34 | <@Tamber> | sshine, ah, but that would add yet another thing to my project list; which is already long enough. I figure I can do without, for now. :p |
| 11:34 | < sshine> | webkit, so by extension chrome and safari, has a decent debugger |
| 11:34 | <@TheWatcher> | (I note the IE one is generally unhelpful, but it is at least there) |
| 11:34 | <@TheWatcher> | (Baby steps, microsoft, etc) |
| 11:35 | < sshine> | let me just take a screenshot. |
| 11:35 | < sshine> | http://stuff.anarcho.dk/webkit-debugger.png |
| 11:37 | < sshine> | it's been so long since I used WebDeveloper / Firebug that I don't remember if it's better than webkit's. it might be. |
| 11:38 | < RichyB> | TheWatcher, both Chrome and Safari come with a debugging environment called "Web Inspector" which looks modelled off Firebug. |
| 11:38 | < sshine> | I'll happily trade chrome's speed for firebug's special features, though. :) |
| 11:38 | <@TheWatcher> | RichyB: ah, righto. |
| 11:39 | < sshine> | ah, web inspectir os what my screenshot is of then. |
| 11:39 | < sshine> | s/i/o/ |
| 11:43 | < sshine> | Tamber, if I were to create my own browser, I'd base it on surf. |
| 11:47 | < RichyB> | http://uzbl.org/ |
| 11:47 | < RichyB> | If you want a ridiculously overly scripting-oriented browser. |
| 11:47 | < RichyB> | Try that and tell me whether it makes you want to rip your own limbs off? |
| 11:47 | < RichyB> | I haven't played with it, only noted that it exists. :) |
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| 12:52 | < Nemu> | ...This is behaviour that should not be |
| 12:52 | < Nemu> | Firefix, why why why did you forget that you don't remember my history? |
| 12:52 | < Nemu> | *Firefox |
| 12:52 | <@Tamber> | Firebreak? |
| 12:53 | < Nemu> | They updated again. I should start checking the version info again. Are they patching, like, the most esoteric exploits? It seems like there's an update every couple days now |
| 12:57 | < RichyB> | Nemu, Google Chrome is releasing updates with that frequency too. |
| 12:57 | < Nemu> | Everyone needs to cool it. |
| 12:57 | < RichyB> | FF are right to be releasing updates almost every day. |
| 12:58 | < RichyB> | It's not a problem for Chrome because they spent a lot of work on a self-patching system that makes Chrome's updates painless and cheap. |
| 12:59 | < RichyB> | There's a really cool executable-code-specific diffing and patching system built in, for instance. Chrome updates are typically well under <100kB of data. |
| 12:59 | < RichyB> | I think FF are still sending out complete copies of a multiple-megabyte executable file? |
| 13:00 | < RichyB> | There's work going on in FF's trunk to make some of the same improvements to its patching system. |
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| --- Log opened Fri Jul 20 15:06:08 2012 |
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| 17:02 | | * ToxicFrog finds an honest to god bug in the clojure compiler |
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| 17:14 | < Tarinaky> | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery .html |
| 17:15 | < iospace> | haha |
| 17:15 | < iospace> | old though :P |
| 17:16 | < Tarinaky> | I'm afraid I was unable to give a shit :) |
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| --- Log opened Fri Jul 20 22:21:25 2012 |
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| 22:31 | < Atreus> | Argh, fucking Windows 7 :/ |
| 22:36 | < rms> | What blessing has the most secure OS ever granted you? |
| 22:38 | < Atreus> | It's playing silly buggers still with the harddrive I didn't format. |
| 22:39 | | Atreus is now known as Tarinaky |
| 22:40 | < Tarinaky> | Fucking file permissions. |
| 22:40 | < Tarinaky> | Where's the "Copy as administrator" button? |
| 22:42 | < Tarinaky> | It's coimplaining about permissions |
| 22:42 | < Tarinaky> | Do I need a fucking signed note from the teracher/? |
| 22:42 | < Tarinaky> | *teacher |
| 22:47 | < Tarinaky> | At least linux has sudo and chown. |
| 22:55 | < rms> | Windows has a "take control of this file" CLI utility |
| 22:56 | < rms> | Since at least XP |
| 22:57 | < Tarinaky> | What is it? |
| 22:58 | < Tarinaky> | I also find it incredibly frustrating that it's marked folders as inaccessable. |
| 22:58 | < Tarinaky> | I can't even poke in Documents and Settings without a "Access denied" dialog. |
| 22:58 | < Tarinaky> | It's my bloody machine =.= |
| 23:01 | < rms> | I don't remember, all I know is it exists and it does things in a stupid way (namely it can't give files only take them) |
| 23:01 | < rms> | Also it has some stupid accronym name |
| 23:02 | < rms> | Like all Windows CLI utilities |
| 23:02 | < Tarinaky> | I'm currently seeing if running cygwin as administrator and using that to run rsync will work. |
| 23:12 | <@TheWatcher> | Godsdamnit, the kernel compile process needs a more finely grained sodding progress report |
| 23:12 | <@TheWatcher> | On that note |
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