| --- Log opened Sat Mar 24 00:00:26 2012 |
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| 00:58 | < maoranma> | Okay, so autoscroll is application specific in linux, so working as intended |
| 00:59 | < maoranma> | Now, nvidia drivers for compiz and getting that fingerprint scanner working |
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| 10:34 | | * TheWatcher ponders the fact that development of his preferred bug tracker appears to have been abandoned, and that he hates bugzilla with a passion and won't go back to it, sighs vaguely |
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| 11:00 | | * TheWatcher digs a little deeper, determintes that it's not abandoned, it has just ended up being forked a dozen ways, and there's nobody actually handling official releases. |
| 11:00 | | * TheWatcher has this horrible sinking feeling |
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| 11:15 | < maoranma> | BAH. |
| 11:16 | < maoranma> | So Linux Mint installs, but fails to boot entirely. |
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| 16:33 | < gnolam> | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2559#comic |
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| 17:16 | <~Vornicus> | TW: what tracker is this? |
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| 17:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Vorn: Flyspray. It's the only bug tracker I've found that doesn't fill me with seething rage when trying to use it >.> |
| 17:50 | <~Vornicus> | <3 flyspray |
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| 18:02 | <@TheWatcher> | Unfortunately, last release version was 2009, and the dev community seems to have completely fractured :/ |
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| 20:36 | <@Tamber> | Ah, that wonderful amount of support when it comes to errors from open-source software. |
| 20:36 | <@Tamber> | ...sweet fuck all. Plenty of threads from others having the exact same problem; 0 actual answers, 2 "This is the users list, go ask on the sysadmins list", several "Please help, I'm having this isuse too!" |
| 20:37 | <@Tamber> | issue* |
| 20:37 | <@Tamber> | This bloody thing worked until it got upgraded and restarted. *sigh* The real lesson? Don't upgrade, it fucking breaks things. |
| 20:37 | <@Anna> | What program+error? |
| 20:38 | <@Tamber> | jabberd14. And "bouncing a routed packet to tamber@im.furryhelix.co.uk from 13@c2s/92F8830: Internal Delivery Error" every time I try to connect. |
| 20:39 | < gnolam> | And let me guess: the only Google hits you get on the error are from 2007 or something like that and nothing in the answers apply anymore? |
| 20:39 | < gnolam> | (A.k.a. the Linux Support Problem) |
| 20:39 | <@Tamber> | Answers? |
| 20:39 | <@Tamber> | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 20:40 | <@Tamber> | And it's exactly no consolation whatsover that the hits on the error range from 2004 to 2009. |
| 20:40 | <@Tamber> | All with exactly the same lack of any help whatsoever. |
| 20:41 | <@Tamber> | It seems to mostly be two or three threads asking; and the rest of them are mirrors of those damn MLs. |
| 20:42 | <@Tamber> | But, yep; "The Open Source Support Problem." |
| 20:42 | <@Anna> | Shitty |
| 20:42 | <@Anna> | Unfortunately, it's not something I'd be familliar with, all I can suggest is make use of tcpdump |
| 20:43 | <@Tamber> | I've tried reinstalling the damn thing; purging all the configs and reconfiguring from scratch; etc, etc, etc. |
| 20:44 | <@Tamber> | I really don't think I'm asking for something unreasonable, though: That I can log into my own jabber account. |
| 20:58 | | * Tamber ...s |
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| 21:01 | <@Tamber> | Apparently, Debian thinks the best way of configuring what hostname jabberd is supposed to be on is to *ignore* the value in the configuration file, and set it in /etc/defaults/jabberd14; so their default value of 'localhost' overrides the value I thought it was using. (im.furryhelix.co.uk) |
| 21:02 | <@Tamber> | That would explain why I was seeing different behaviour between running it from init script, and running it manually. |
| 21:08 | | * Tamber dances |
| 21:08 | <@Tamber> | It works now! |
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| 21:42 | <@Anna> | Huzzah! Debian retardation wastes another's day! |
| 21:44 | <&McMartin> | Hm. I can scrap this whole file. |
| 21:44 | <@Jasever> | First time I configured it, took me two days to make it normally usable. |
| 21:45 | <&McMartin> | I find Debian is noticably more usable when it's called "Ubuntu", though even then getting an acceptable dev environment up and running is like pulling teeth. |
| 21:45 | <@Anna> | Ugh, no |
| 21:46 | <@Anna> | I used to SA Ubuntu Servers |
| 21:46 | <@Anna> | It was one of the most rage inducing things I've done beyond use Windows for half an hour. They keep a bunch of configuration idiocy from Debian. |
| 21:47 | <@Tamber> | And add their own? :p |
| 21:47 | <@Tamber> | Which isn't compatible with anything else on the planet? |
| 21:47 | <@Anna> | Yeah |
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| 21:47 | <@Jasever> | Ubuntu's most major crime is its interface. |
| 21:48 | <@Anna> | Also configuration scripts that ask questions when you start an update, come back an hour later and discover the postfix paused the entire fucking thing. |
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| 21:54 | | * ToxicFrog stabs MTP right in the goddamn face |
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| 22:06 | <&McMartin> | Anna: Your problem here is you said "server"~ |
| 22:07 | <&McMartin> | Notice I said "dev environment", that is, a desktop system. |
| 22:08 | <@Anna> | Yeah |
| 22:08 | <@Anna> | :p |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | This also means that modern Windows systems are high end of middle-of-the-pack for my metric, because it's "insert DVD, push button, go read comics for a while, repeat once, run the updaters, done" |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | And then "go download stuff off of sourceforge" instead of "go on the Internet to find what the packages are named in *this* distro again" |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | Which, for debian, often took longer than the actual download and install =P |
| 22:12 | <@Tamber> | "It's not 'libfoo', it's 'libfoo11'." |
| 22:13 | <&McMartin> | It's libfoo11-dev. |
| 22:14 | <@Tamber> | Except when it's libfoo11dev |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | And then libfoo11-doc if you wanted to be able to call up useful information about it. |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | It's the 11 part that rankles =P |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | I can make guesses for the rest. |
| 22:14 | <@Tamber> | Indeed. |
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| 23:34 | < noah> | Uhg |
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| 23:35 | < Noah> | So, mint is installed, and I got Nvidia drivers working, yay I guess |
| 23:36 | < Noah> | Trying to get Chrome installed, but it's fighting me wabout it |
| 23:45 | < Noah> | There we go |
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