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| 00:20 | <~Vornicus> | why are you killing trunk in the face? |
| 00:20 | <&McMartin> | Trunk was killed in the face 18 months ago. I don't anymore remember why |
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| --- Log opened Tue Mar 20 01:30:18 2012 |
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| 01:33 | | * Vornicus does battle with the object model |
| 01:34 | <~Vornicus> | It doesn't help that I have absolutely no experience with anything this complex. |
| 01:34 | <~Vornicus> | And that even with version control and refactoring tools available I feel like getting it wrong will make it essentially impossible to complete. |
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| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | What ist his you're doing? |
| 01:37 | <~Vornicus> | I'm building a zelda like. Seeing how far I can get. |
| 01:37 | <&Derakon> | Assuming he's talking about Vornda, my advice would be to come up with a design, eliminate any glaring flaws, and accept that it'll need to be refactored later, which is far from impossible. |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | Much belated: |
| 01:37 | <&Derakon> | I rearranged Jetblade's object model several times. |
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| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | Tarinaky: to check for string containment: 'if "foo" in "foobar":' |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | You might want to tolower() them first |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | To catch, say, the Risto Aristocracy |
| 01:38 | <~Vornicus> | That actually sounds like a pretty awesome name |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Well, he also got the King Kingdom. |
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| 01:39 | <~Vornicus> | That's not quite as awesome but still kind of awesome. |
| 01:39 | <&Derakon> | Like the Princess Planet. |
| 01:39 | <&Derakon> | Where all the girls are princesses. |
| 01:40 | <&Derakon> | Everyone in the King Kingdom is a king! |
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| 02:15 | < Janus> | Princess Planet must have one very busy King. And probably a large Queen grub. |
| 02:19 | <&Derakon> | Many busy royal families. http://www.theprincessplanet.com/ |
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| 03:26 | < maoranma> | Hi guys. (Too quiet.) |
| 03:29 | < Janus> | ... whew. That wasn't so bad. I'm glad I stopped trying to program things to sprite for me. |
| 03:29 | | * Janus tried to make a thing that would sprite rocks for him. But it turned out the rocks themselves weren't so bad |
| 03:31 | < Janus> | *dusts hands* I'm genuinely surprised they turned out how they did, aha. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3108480/LoneislandRock.png |
| 03:33 | <@Alek> | beautiful. XD |
| 03:33 | < gnolam> | Pretty. |
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| 03:34 | <~Vornicus> | That's rockalicious. |
| 03:35 | <&McMartin> | Can't stop the rock |
| 03:36 | < Janus> | You guys are ... cracking... me up. |
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| 03:37 | <~Vornicus> | though big question is how spriteable is it? |
| 03:38 | < Janus> | Thanks, aha. I wish I could program as good though. ... oh, the rocks themselves? Well, this took around... 5 hours. |
| 03:39 | < Janus> | *as well. |
| 03:41 | <~Vornicus> | What I mean is |
| 03:41 | <~Vornicus> | Can you break that up into a bunch of tiles |
| 03:41 | <~Vornicus> | 'cause otherwise this isn't scalable by a long shot |
| 03:43 | < Janus> | Oh, nyah. They're pretty much one offs. Luckily, this game has only a handful of small locations in it. The longer stretches of area are almost entirely water. |
| 03:46 | < Janus> | I tried though! But I could never make a tilesheet that looked good. So after a few weeks of failing at that, figured it'd be easier to just do every scene by hand. |
| 03:47 | | * Janus finished the basement with the shelf too. Now, to put the protagonist's house on top, and fill it with furnature and junk. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3108480/basementthing.png |
| 03:48 | < maoranma> | Janus: Those rock sprites... |
| 03:48 | < maoranma> | Rule. |
| 03:48 | < maoranma> | Hah, see what I did there? There was an obvious joke, and I skirted around it |
| 03:49 | < Janus> | The joke has become the joke! |
| 03:50 | < maoranma> | Hoho, we're witty |
| 03:51 | < maoranma> | And back to looking for good Perl tutorials... *cry* |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | lol |
| 03:51 | < Janus> | (oh! I finished the player's walk cycle thing too. Glad I stopped trying to make a hair algorithm for that. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3108480/DoveWalkHatlessFramed2.gif ) |
| 03:52 | < maoranma> | Her bangs are bouncy, I like it |
| 03:53 | < Janus> | They are pretty banging |
| 03:54 | < maoranma> | Hope spriting that didn't give you any... |
| 03:54 | < maoranma> | SPLIT ENDS. |
| 03:54 | < maoranma> | snnrk |
| 03:56 | < maoranma> | What the hell was that damn site that teaches you programming by giving you various tasks to program? |
| 03:56 | <&McMartin> | She's got a Stan dress |
| 03:56 | <&McMartin> | maoranma: Are you thinking of Project Euler? |
| 03:57 | < maoranma> | No, but that's a cool site, and I'll look over it later |
| 03:58 | < maoranma> | It was orignally for java online, then they added python, and changed the name |
| 03:58 | < maoranma> | only* |
| 03:59 | | * Janus image searchs "stan dress." To be honest, I was expecting dudes in dresses, and then I was disappointed somehow |
| 03:59 | <&McMartin> | Stan the used boat salesman from Monkey Island. |
| 03:59 | <@Alek> | well, I'll say this. when your one-off generator is that good, who needs tiling? XD |
| 03:59 | <&McMartin> | His suit's pattern had similar defiance of dynamics |
| 04:00 | < Janus> | Who needs rock tiling when you got flannel dress tiling! |
| 04:01 | < maoranma> | Janus: Unlockable Dress: Black and White Checkered |
| 04:01 | < Janus> | Unlockable Dress sounds dirty somehow |
| 04:02 | < maoranma> | It was the least dirty thing I could thing off |
| 04:02 | < maoranma> | Maybe do like a wardrobe, like in Trilby, which post-game-win dresses that give you special abilities |
| 04:03 | < maoranma> | And make them visually violent |
| 04:04 | < Janus> | Oh, I will! Aha, lots of stuff. Like bread pants and sunglass-monocles and greaser hair salves. |
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| 04:07 | <~Vornicus> | maoranma: you linked that in here recently i think |
| 04:08 | <~Vornicus> | codingbat? |
| 04:08 | < maoranma> | Yea, that's the one |
| 04:08 | < maoranma> | But I didn't link it...I forget who did |
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| 04:10 | <~Vornicus> | Ja-- dang, he's gone, I was going to say that the hair is a bit much. |
| 04:10 | < maoranma> | Nah, I like it, it's poofy |
| 04:11 | <~Vornicus> | It's a bit too much movement I think. |
| 04:12 | < maoranma> | Depends on the running speed I think |
| 04:13 | <@Vash> | that and your character isn't going to continuosly going to move |
| 04:13 | <@Vash> | unless you want to |
| 04:13 | <@Vash> | also, I imagine the image will be smaller in game |
| 04:13 | <@Vash> | I can spell, really! ;_; |
| 04:14 | < maoranma> | I've yet to see proof |
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| 04:15 | <@Vash> | ;_l; |
| 04:15 | <@Vash> | ... |
| 04:15 | <@Vash> | see? |
| 04:15 | <@Vash> | ;_; |
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| 04:29 | < maoranma> | You said to flee in terror if I didn't see "use strict;" at the top of every perl script, right? |
| 04:29 | <&McMartin> | Yes. |
| 04:29 | <&McMartin> | I didn't, but it's a great truth. |
| 04:32 | <&Derakon> | Otherwise if you e.g. typo a variable name, Perl will silently instantiate and initialize it for you. |
| 04:33 | <&Derakon> | Which tends to be irritating to debug. |
| 04:33 | < maoranma> | I don't think I run into that program in Python |
| 04:33 | < maoranma> | But I have in MSL |
| 04:37 | < maoranma> | Oh crap, I just checked my student portal and I noticed that I don't have who I thought I was going to have as an instructor for composition... hope this other one is as good as my previous instructor |
| 04:38 | < maoranma> | And apparently I have the same one for both my windows server and my linux class, so that could be annoying |
| 04:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | MSL? |
| 04:39 | < maoranma> | mIRC Scripting Language |
| 04:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 04:39 | | * McMartin boggles at this code from work |
| 04:39 | <&McMartin> | Why does this code have statics |
| 04:39 | <&McMartin> | I mean, sure, I'm pretty skeptical of OO, but come *on* whoever wrote this. |
| 04:40 | < maoranma> | Damn, and Saturday morning classes are at 9 instead of 8 like it was scheduled... and they didn't move the evening classes forward, so I only have 30 minutes between my two Saturday class instead of an hour and a half |
| 04:40 | | * ShellNinja pipes up. You are skeptical of OO? Why? (Not that I disagree, prefering to code in C over C++.) |
| 04:45 | <&McMartin> | Well, it's really more skeptical of inheritance in most cases, and a grim observation that about 90% of OO design discipline is "reimplementing stuff that logic or higher-order-functional programming gives you for free" |
| 04:46 | <&McMartin> | Things OO are good at are IMO pretty much restricted to dynamic polymorphism, and you can get a lot of that out of ML/Haskell-style languages as well if not better. |
| 04:46 | <&McMartin> | However, the ML/Haskell-style languages do not map well to system programming, and OO is intrinsically better at standard application UI work. |
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| 04:49 | < maoranma> | goddamnit |
| 04:50 | < ShellNinja> | I see. |
| 04:50 | < maoranma> | Wife is snoring in the infrasonic levels, so I can hear her through my ear plugs |
| 04:52 | < maoranma> | "We sometimes say that an object has been "blessed into a class"." |
| 04:52 | < maoranma> | Okay, fuck Perl |
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| 06:22 | < Eri> | Hmm. Looks like nohup is another way to run programs in terminal, without locking up the terminal |
| 06:23 | < Eri> | This one has the added benefit of being included in the install be default, whereas I had to use apt-get for screen |
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| 06:58 | < maoranma> | Damnit Windows, why are you taking up nearly 20GB of space |
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| 07:27 | < maoranma> | My holocaust of useless data is complete |
| 07:28 | < maoranma> | Prevous free space: 7GB |
| 07:28 | < maoranma> | Current free space: 34GB |
| 07:43 | < Tarinaky> | Improvement? ['Karneath Regime', 'Geadust Union', 'Zeadoostuw Principality', 'Tarj Colonies', 'Chowtourpooch Council', 'Laydjytah Union', 'Shooth Theocracy', 'Moyzoz Democracy', 'Horlayjin Junta', 'Mowd Council'] |
| 07:43 | < Tarinaky> | Some are distinctly cooler than others. |
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| 08:41 | <@jerith> | Tarinaky: How are you generating these? |
| 08:42 | < Tarinaky> | https://github.com/Tarinaky/DuelFieldStars/blob/master/duelfieldstars/name.py |
| 08:43 | <@jerith> | Those Phonecian letters look very much like Hebrew, with "waw" pushed to the end... |
| 08:43 | < Tarinaky> | There's probably a reason for that. |
| 08:45 | <@jerith> | Given that it's a semitic language, probably. |
| 08:50 | <@jerith> | Tarinaky: You might find http://jerith.za.net/code/cfnamegencode.html interesting. |
| 08:51 | <@jerith> | Has it really been seven years since I wrote that!? |
| 08:51 | | * jerith feels all old now. |
| 09:30 | < Tarinaky> | Awww. |
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| 15:11 | < Tarinaky> | What's wrong with this picture: Me trying to convince someone that templates would make his C++ matrix stuff more readable. |
| 15:16 | < Tarinaky> | He's not even using intrinsics. |
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| 16:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: the C++~ |
| 16:14 | < Tarinaky> | More readable than C++ without templates :p |
| 16:19 | < Tarinaky> | Stupid question: If I want some little svg icons/modifiers to import into my pygame app... |
| 16:20 | < Tarinaky> | But I need those icons/modifiers in a variaty of sizes... |
| 16:20 | < Tarinaky> | What's the sensible way of laying that out? |
| 16:20 | < Tarinaky> | Juat flatfiles labled accordingly? |
| 16:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Um |
| 16:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | The whole point of SVG is that it's not sized |
| 16:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Just render them at the size you want |
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| 16:41 | < Tarinaky> | I don't think pygame can load svg |
| 16:42 | < Tarinaky> | So I need to convert them to png as a compile step. |
| 16:42 | < Tarinaky> | I might be wrong about that, am looking it up now. |
| 16:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh |
| 16:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | In that case, yeah, just render it once at each size you want and store them all |
| 16:59 | < Tarinaky> | Hurray for wikipedia having an easy to understand guide to APP-6A on there for me to pilfer for unit icons in a braindead fashion >.> |
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| 17:42 | | * Tarinaky adds a function to randomly name ships >.> |
| 17:42 | < Tarinaky> | ['Venus', 'Rose', 'Gray Paper', 'Twisted Thoyr', 'Green Zarm', 'Ocean', 'Mercury', 'Starh', 'Plain Lance', 'Red Lord'] |
| 17:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Welp |
| 17:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | just found something that completely obsoletes fet |
| 17:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | *felt |
| 17:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh well, time to port Descent to it |
| 17:51 | < Tarinaky> | Heh. |
| 17:51 | < Tarinaky> | If it's any consolation my game was rendered obsolete in the era of DOS. :p |
| 17:57 | <&McMartin> | TF: What is this? |
| 17:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | VASSAL. |
| 17:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | Networked board-game engine, written in Java. |
| 17:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | Has a module editor for non-programmers to create support for new games (with some serious UI design issues >.<) and an extension API for implementing new behaviours. |
| 17:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | It even has an existing Descent module which is, sadly, terrible. |
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| 18:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Crash and I have decided to implement a better one. |
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