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| 00:59 | < maoranma> | If I wanted to check raw_input against a list of possible things, how do I go about that again? if inputPretest isin list: ? |
| 01:00 | < maoranma> | Like, accepting yes, y, ye, yea, etc for yes |
| 01:00 | <&Derakon> | Python? |
| 01:00 | < maoranma> | Yes |
| 01:00 | <&Derakon> | "if foo in bar" is the way to check for presence in a list. |
| 01:00 | <&McMartin> | if x in ['foo', 'bar', 'baz']: |
| 01:01 | <&Derakon> | You'd have better time if you used a set instead of a list. |
| 01:01 | <&Derakon> | O(1) instead of O(n) |
| 01:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or just match against ^[yY], really |
| 01:01 | < maoranma> | A tuple then? |
| 01:01 | <&Derakon> | No, set. |
| 01:01 | <&Derakon> | set() |
| 01:01 | < maoranma> | Oh |
| 01:04 | <&Derakon> | Sets are containers where an item can be in the container only once. |
| 01:04 | <&Derakon> | You can get a similar effect by using a dict where you ignore the values the keys map to. |
| 01:04 | < maoranma> | Right, I recall now |
| 01:05 | < maoranma> | so it's just like set(item, item2, item3,...)? |
| 01:06 | <~Vornicus> | in 2.7 and py3, {item1, item2, item3} works as well |
| 01:06 | < maoranma> | Okay |
| 01:06 | < maoranma> | but set() for backwards compat? |
| 01:07 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, like dict() |
| 01:08 | <~Vornicus> | man, wtf, why is python.org having such problems for me lately |
| 01:08 | < maoranma> | iunno |
| 01:10 | <~Vornicus> | pre-2.4 you have to import sets from the collections library, but if you're using older than 2.6 you're honestly silly |
| 01:10 | < maoranma> | Agreed |
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| 01:20 | < gnolam> | Dammit, I keep reading "stuck-at faults" as "suck-at faults". |
| 01:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's always nice when you finish making your changes and build it and toss it into the simulator and it runs perfectly on the first try. |
| 01:26 | <&Derakon> | No, it's not. |
| 01:26 | <&Derakon> | Because it never works on the first try. |
| 01:26 | <&Derakon> | So all that means is that you haven't found the bugs yet. |
| 01:26 | <&Derakon> | (Facetious, but having it work on the first try always makes me paranoid) |
| 01:39 | < gnolam> | Sacrifice a chicken to Murphy. |
| 01:46 | < maoranma> | I agree with Derakon |
| 01:46 | < maoranma> | If it runs fine on the first try, you didn't break something properly |
| 01:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Maybe you should be more careful~ |
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| 02:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | (the next iteration is breaking, anyways - "idle" PUs are suspending rather than returning, causing the CP to deadlock when it calls PI_StopMain()) |
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| 13:56 | <@TheWatcher> | ... ohgods, what was I thinking when I wrote this?! |
| 14:06 | <@TheWatcher> | <dt><a name="abstract"></a>abstract</dt> |
| 14:07 | <@TheWatcher> | Looks fine. Except there's no <dl> |
| 14:07 | <@TheWatcher> | I.. and I somehow missed a load of closes too. How did this even display!? |
| 14:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Am I the only one who's heard of the concept of a "local train" or "local bus"? |
| 14:09 | <@TheWatcher> | you mean like a bus that has its route around places in one town? |
| 14:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yes |
| 14:09 | <@TheWatcher> | Clearly not, then. |
| 14:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The opposite being non-stop |
| 14:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Of the.. 4 people who commented on my screenshot in #openttd, apparently none of them have heard it |
| 14:11 | < Namegduf> | "local train" no, "local bus" seems like a straightforward combination of adjective and noun. |
| 14:11 | < Namegduf> | It seems to correspond to what in the UK we consider the normal use of a bus. |
| 14:11 | < Namegduf> | (Lots of stops, often staying within a city or going only between a few close towns) |
| 14:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yeah, it's kind of an odd thing because there's no such thing as a train or bus that doesn't list all stops |
| 14:12 | | * TheWatcher ponders |
| 14:12 | < Namegduf> | Well, our buses often don't on the timetables |
| 14:12 | < Namegduf> | Because there are a LOT of little stops |
| 14:12 | < Namegduf> | They list all the major ones, though. |
| 14:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Not to the user, but privately they do |
| 14:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The driver has a big list |
| 14:13 | < Namegduf> | Oh, yeah. |
| 14:13 | < Namegduf> | He will. |
| 14:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Each stop lists each route that stops there |
| 14:13 | < Namegduf> | Yes. |
| 14:13 | < Namegduf> | You can sometimes ask to hop off at random locations |
| 14:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | A map will show which stops a bus goes along |
| 14:13 | < Namegduf> | But that's a different thing |
| 14:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Sure, but that's with an express too |
| 14:14 | < Namegduf> | And depends on the driver's whim |
| 14:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yup |
| 14:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The only one here that really doesn't is a super-express. Leaves downtown and has *no* stops until WEM. |
| 14:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | http://i.imgur.com/oD0JZ.png |
| 14:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Do you think the top two windows (the existing ones) are cluttered? |
| 14:26 | <@jerith> | http://bucket.jerith.za.net/depixel.pdf -- my slides for a talk this evening. |
| 14:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Anybody? |
| 14:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Rhamphoryncus: I don't really have any substantial context to evaluate that in (I've never fiddled with ottd) |
| 14:31 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ahh |
| 14:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Well, the non-stop bit? That wasn't in original TTD (not that I recall). Openttd added it. And had an option to make it the default. You never need local orders, all they save is a couple clicks, most of the time you want the opposite |
| 14:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Having trains stop unexpectedly leads to weird stuff |
| 14:33 | <@TheWatcher> | jerith: Looks good (although "in the internet" v "on the internet" is an interesting debate, imo) |
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| 14:43 | | * Rhamphoryncus is considering replacing "as local" with "stopping automatically" |
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| 14:52 | <@jerith> | TheWatcher[afk]: That's a tyop. Thanks. :-) |
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| 18:41 | < maoranma> | Who's so good at math that they don't even have a proper letter grade to describe it? |
| 18:41 | | * maoranma <-- this guy |
| 18:42 | < maoranma> | I mean, if math was a Japanese arcade machine, I would've triple S ranked it |
| 18:42 | <&McMartin> | This elides the most important question: how many thumbs do you have? |
| 18:46 | < maoranma> | I have x thumbs, where x equals (-4i^2)/2 |
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| 20:03 | <@jerith> | My depixeling talk went over pretty well I think. |
| 20:03 | <@jerith> | Got some good questions, at least. |
| 20:21 | < Tarinaky> | Let epsiolon > 0 |
| 20:22 | < Tarinaky> | And let the set A be defined as the set of solutions to the question "how many thumbs do you have" |
| 20:23 | < Tarinaky> | If thumbs is real then: thumbs < thumbs + epsiolon <= Supremum A |
| 20:24 | < Tarinaky> | :. maoranma's thumbs aren't real :p |
| 20:24 | | * Tarinaky ducks. |
| 20:24 | < Tarinaky> | No wait. Nm. |
| 20:24 | < Tarinaky> | I fowled up. |
| 20:24 | | * Tarinaky facepalms. |
| 20:25 | < Tarinaky> | Ignore me, I thought I had a joke but I didn't >.> |
| 20:25 | < Tarinaky> | Also: I fail at Analysis. |
| 20:46 | < maoranma> | mah fumbs! |
| 20:46 | < maoranma> | Oh, I kept reading, I still have mah fumbs |
| 20:47 | < maoranma> | Phew, it would be hard to play mah pokeymans wifout mah fumbs |
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| 20:55 | <&Derakon> | So I have my meeting with my boss today...and as usual every time I open my mouth he interrupts me. |
| 20:55 | <@jerith> | :-/ |
| 20:55 | <&Derakon> | When I express my frustration with this, he says he's just trying to expedite things because he knows what I'm going to say. |
| 20:55 | < maoranma> | have/had? |
| 20:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why even have the meeting, then? |
| 20:55 | <&Derakon> | And how this is science, and you have to be willing to suppress the ego and listen to what other people have to say. |
| 20:56 | <&Derakon> | Pot, this is kettle, report color status, over. |
| 20:56 | <&Derakon> | TF: well, we still have to coordinate what I'll be working on. |
| 20:56 | < maoranma> | As your talking, wield a dirty sock at him menacingly as if to dare him to open his mouth |
| 20:56 | <&Derakon> | It's not entirely a one-way flow of information. |
| 20:57 | <&Derakon> | Also apparently it'd be A-OK if I interrupted him right back. |
| 20:57 | <&Derakon> | Sigh. |
| 20:57 | < maoranma> | have him apply that logic to say |
| 20:57 | < maoranma> | Driving a card |
| 20:57 | < maoranma> | car* |
| 20:57 | < maoranma> | Then, after 3 hours of interrupting each others driving, see how far you got |
| 20:58 | <&Derakon> | Nah, this isn't a situation in which reason applies. |
| 20:58 | <&Derakon> | He's in his sixties, I doubt he'll change at this point. I'm just venting. |
| 20:58 | < maoranma> | Oh, so he's stupid. Got ya |
| 20:58 | <&Derakon> | Oh, he's a genius. Just terrible at conversation. |
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| 21:01 | < maoranma> | Genius or not, if he's 60+ and still interrupting conversation, it's because no one has properly told him what a douche thing to do it is, never too late to teach him some new tricks |
| 21:01 | < maoranma> | Or shove a dirty sock in his mouth |
| 21:04 | < maoranma> | How'd he handle email? "Re: Stuff | Instead of getting reading your entire email, I got half-way through the first sentence and assumed everything else you wrote and made this reply, here are my thoughts on our apparently imaginary conversation. Hugs and kisses, Urist McDumbass" |
| 21:05 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 21:05 | <&Derakon> | He's not a fan of email; prefers paper. |
| 21:06 | <&Derakon> | Oddly he's a lot less verbose when leaving written notes than when talking. |
| 21:06 | <&Derakon> | He sure can ramble. |
| 21:06 | < maoranma> | Bring a whiteboard to your next meeting and converse with him that way |
| 21:07 | <&Derakon> | That's not a serious suggestion, right? |
| 21:07 | <&Derakon> | I mean, I do need to work with this guy. |
| 21:08 | < maoranma> | No, of course it isn't |
| 21:08 | < maoranma> | Use this instead: http://www.amazon.com/iMPROV-Electronics-8-5-Boogie-Tablet/dp/B002ZE4TDI |
| 21:09 | <&Derakon> | So it's...a monochrome electric whiteboard. |
| 21:09 | < Namegduf> | "Are your consultancy's profits down? Do your bullshit diagrams not cost enough to convince your clients to hire you?" |
| 21:09 | < Namegduf> | "We have the answer!" |
| 21:10 | < Namegduf> | "Only 11 left in stock- order soon." |
| 21:10 | < maoranma> | Yes, and they have a 10.5in version too |
| 21:10 | < Namegduf> | Seriously though, I have this thing called "a piece of paper" |
| 21:10 | < Namegduf> | XD |
| 21:11 | <&Derakon> | "The Boogie Board, alas, can't help me in this situation, simply b/c there is no save function. If there were I could toss away the sticky note pad for good. As it is I've got one foot in the 21st century and the other in ancient Egypt, with Pharaoh's scribes forming letters on papyrus as the Nile flows lazily by." |
| 21:11 | < maoranma> | hehe |
| 21:13 | <&Derakon> | In unrelated news, I keep thinking about trying to make a Devil May Cry / Legend of Zelda 1 game. |
| 21:13 | <&Derakon> | And the more I think about it, the more I conclude that really I just want to play Devil May Cry again. |
| 21:14 | < maoranma> | It's a neat device, but it is super-niche |
| 21:16 | < maoranma> | I wonder if it could be hacked into an e-reader |
| 21:17 | <&Derakon> | Sure, stick it into an automatic typewriter. |
| 21:17 | < maoranma> | haha |
| 21:18 | < maoranma> | Yea, I don't think theres even a way to link into the screen |
| 21:18 | <&Derakon> | If there were they'd've added the much-desired saving functionality. |
| 21:18 | < maoranma> | Indeed |
| 21:21 | < maoranma> | Though saving wouldn't necessarily a link into the video, just a way to record the input, maybe just have it print a png to a SD card with a timestamp when erase pressed |
| 21:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | SVG. |
| 21:22 | < maoranma> | Yes, or SVG |
| 21:27 | < maoranma> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bum_xYd6WgA |
| 21:27 | < maoranma> | This device still blows my mind every time I see it |
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| 21:38 | <@jerith> | codingbat.com |
| 21:41 | < gnolam> | jerith: why are you speaking like a spambot? ;) |
| 21:41 | < maoranma> | jerith: That site is neat |
| 21:43 | < maoranma> | def make_abba(a, b): |
| 21:43 | < maoranma> | return "%s%s%s%s" % (a,b,b,a) |
| 21:43 | < maoranma> | lol |
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| 21:44 | | * jerith was sad to discover that their Python lacks "any()" |
| 21:45 | < maoranma> | What's that do? |
| 21:45 | <@jerith> | So I had to "return sum([i == whatever for i in thingy]) > 0" in order to get it all on one line. |
| 21:46 | <@jerith> | maoranma: any() take an iterable as its only parameter and returns True if any item in the iterable is True. |
| 21:46 | < maoranma> | Ah |
| 21:46 | <@jerith> | There's also all(), which does that you'd expect. |
| 22:02 | < celticminstrel> | How does it lack any()? |
| 22:07 | <@jerith> | I'm guessing they severly restrict globals in the sandbox. |
| 22:13 | <&Derakon> | def sum_double(a, b): return a + b if a != b else b ** 3 |
| 22:13 | <&Derakon> | I feel dirty now. |
| 22:15 | < gnolam> | o_O |
| 22:16 | < maoranma> | So if you put a=2 b=3, then you get 5, but if you enter a=3 and b=3, you get 27? |
| 22:16 | <&Derakon> | Sorry, duty calls...BBIAB |
| 22:19 | < maoranma> | "Huh? Weedle stopped evolving." Fuck yes he did, because he's gonna learn something awesome at level 15, then he can become a useless cocoon for exactly one level |
| 22:23 | <@Vash> | rofl |
| 22:24 | <@Vash> | are mew and mewtwo available to be catched at all in any of the new pokemon games and stuff? |
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| 22:26 | | * Vash only got to play red, yellow, silver, a tiny bit of crystal and didn't bother with gold. Since it was the same as silver. Has not played any pokemon games after that. |
| 22:26 | < maoranma> | Not mew, he's always been an event pokemon, however, there was an event for him for fourth generation, and if you have a flash cart of some sort, you can broadcast him from another DS to make a legit copy (or use an action replay device to trigger the wondercard, either way gets you the "faithful meeting" attribute), making it "legit" |
| 22:26 | < maoranma> | Mewtwo can be caught in HG/SS |
| 22:27 | < maoranma> | But he's also available as an event pokemon for B/W |
| 22:27 | <@Vash> | HG/SS?- or wait, is that the new gold and silver versions? |
| 22:27 | < maoranma> | Yes |
| 22:27 | < maoranma> | For the DS |
| 22:27 | < maoranma> | D/P/Plat/HG/SS, those are 5th gen |
| 22:27 | < maoranma> | sorry, 4th gen |
| 22:27 | | * Vash mainly stopped playing because there's too many fucking pokemon in the newer games |
| 22:28 | < maoranma> | B/W is 5th gen |
| 22:28 | <@Vash> | @_@ |
| 22:28 | <@Vash> | is team rocket in those games at all? >_> or something like that? |
| 22:28 | <@Vash> | just wondering |
| 22:29 | < maoranma> | As well as Black and White 2 (I'm not sure if that's the name of a single cart or if it's going to be two cards Black 2 and White 2, which would be very odd since the forumula says it should be Pokemon Gray, lol) |
| 22:29 | < maoranma> | But B/W2 isn't out yet, only been announced in Jap |
| 22:29 | < maoranma> | Yes |
| 22:29 | < maoranma> | Well |
| 22:29 | < maoranma> | Sorta |
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| 22:30 | < maoranma> | In 5th Gen B/W, it's Team Plasma, who are considerably more hardcore than any other team thus far |
| 22:30 | <@Vash> | ... |
| 22:30 | < maoranma> | B/W has a tad darker tone over all tbh |
| 22:31 | <@Vash> | interesting to hear that. I thought most, if not all pokemon games are mostly geared towards kids? |
| 22:32 | < Namegduf> | The Pokemon GB* games were always more mature than the rest of the franchise. |
| 22:32 | < Namegduf> | A bit. |
| 22:32 | < maoranma> | Yes, in general, though B/W seems to be like it's finally starting to grow up a bit, sort of like the Harry Potter books year to year |
| 22:33 | < maoranma> | In D/P/Plat 4th Gen, we had Team Galactic, and in HG/SS we meet Team Rocket again |
| 22:34 | < maoranma> | 3rd gen LG/FR, it was Team Rocket from gen 1 games |
| 22:34 | <&McMartin> | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/railgun-real-gun/ |
| 22:34 | | * Derakon returns, can't figure out how to scroll up in irrsi over SSH/cygwin. |
| 22:35 | < Namegduf> | Press page up? |
| 22:35 | < Namegduf> | If that doesn't work, then I suggest getting PuTTY. |
| 22:35 | <&Derakon> | ...oh, hey. |
| 22:36 | <&Derakon> | Thanks. |
| 22:36 | < Namegduf> | No problem. |
| 22:36 | < maoranma> | 3rd Gen Ruby and Sapphire, it was Team Aqua and Magma (I think Magma for Ruby and Aqua for Sapphire), Emerald had both of them heavily in the plot, instead of one or the other |
| 22:36 | < maoranma> | 3rd Gen was really odd. |
| 22:37 | < maoranma> | Though, by formula, we should expect a revist to Hoenn after 5th gen's 3rd (and 4th apparently this time) game |
| 22:38 | | * Derakon writes an angry email to the users mailing list that can be broadly summarized as "stop breaking the microscope and then complaining that it doesn't work." |
| 22:38 | <&Derakon> | On the bright side, we've come a long way that user error is the #1 cause of failure now. |
| 22:39 | < maoranma> | Yup, now we just need to eliminate user error Star Trek style, then we're good |
| 22:41 | | * Vash sighs. Thinks that if eh buys a pokemon game now, she will stay stuck with trying to get a few of the first 150 pack. Maybe one or two of the later ones. Does not like the new pokemon. specially fire pig dude |
| 22:42 | <@Vash> | she* |
| 22:42 | <@Vash> | as much as I likfe FIRE |
| 22:42 | <@Vash> | anyway |
| 22:42 | | * Vash goes cut veggies before vorn gets home. flrrd |
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| 22:51 | < maoranma> | Vash: If you have a DS, and just want nostalgia, get HG/SS. With the pokewalker if possible. You get 1st/2nd/3rd gen pokemon, tons of legendaries (both Lugia and Ho-oh are catchable in either game), one of the Hoenn legendaries (based on the cart you get), Mewtwo, Latias or Latios (the other if you can get the event item), and the three legendary dog pokemon |
| 22:51 | < maoranma> | And the legendary bird pokemon too |
| 22:51 | < maoranma> | http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/legends.shtml |
| 22:51 | < maoranma> | Fuck ton of legends, there |
| 22:52 | < maoranma> | I'm getting an action replay device, so if you do decided to buy one, I can trade you anything you want |
| 22:53 | < maoranma> | WWJD? He's complete the national pokedex, that's what. |
| 22:55 | < maoranma> | And some 4th gen pokemon too, of course... |
| 22:56 | < maoranma> | And the pokewalker is a good reason to get out and walker |
| 22:56 | < maoranma> | walk* |
| 22:56 | < maoranma> | Or attach it to your dog/cat |
| 22:56 | < maoranma> | Although they're not shielded from emf so a plasma ball will rack up steps too |
| 22:56 | | * maoranma <pokenerd> |
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| 23:29 | <@Vash> | XD |
| 23:29 | <@Vash> | thanks maoranma =) |
| 23:29 | | * Vash randomly remembers something |
| 23:29 | <@Vash> | I used to like giving heart attacks... back then |
| 23:30 | <@Vash> | I had a Kadabra/Alakazam |
| 23:30 | <@Vash> | who I renamed as Mewtwo. >=D |
| 23:30 | <@Vash> | XD |
| 23:32 | | * Vash liked pokemon quite some back then... also had pokemon stadium and pokemon snap. |
| 23:32 | <@Vash> | >_> |
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