| --- Log opened Sat Feb 18 00:00:21 2012 |
| 00:08 | < maoranma> | It's amazing what you can find via HTTP with a little google magic |
| 00:08 | < maoranma> | allintitle: index of roms |
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| 00:33 | <&Derakon> | Finally got in an HDMI cable so I can switch my primary display from VGA to HDMI and use the spare VGA cable for a third display...except that my HMDI-capable display doesn't get any input signal when plugged in via HDMI cable. Dammit. |
| 00:39 | < maoranma> | HDCP? |
| 00:39 | | * McMartin flays Windows Event Viewer, which has the slowest sorting time of anything he's ever seen |
| 00:40 | < maoranma> | That's cause it uses the while list: if unsorted: randomsort(list) technique |
| 00:40 | <&McMartin> | I'm not convinced it isn't |
| 00:41 | < maoranma> | it uses minimal code at least |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | Disagree; bubblesort is pretty much the absolute minimal |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | You need a PRNG to do bogosort |
| 00:41 | < maoranma> | How's that one work? |
| 00:41 | < maoranma> | That's true |
| 00:42 | <@Alek> | P? |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | Repeatedly scan through the list, swapping adjacent entries if they're out of order |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | Alek: Pseudo |
| 00:42 | <@Alek> | bah |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | Bubble sort is O(n) if it's sorted, and O(n^2) in all reasonable cases |
| 00:42 | < maoranma> | Hah |
| 00:43 | <&McMartin> | This does mean that it outperforms quicksort on a sorted list~ |
| 00:43 | < maoranma> | I still like quantum suicide sort. |
| 00:43 | <&Derakon> | Bogosort is O(infinity)~ |
| 00:43 | < maoranma> | In theory, since it could just run forever |
| 00:44 | <&McMartin> | Yup |
| 00:49 | < maoranma> | Oh, that gave me an idea |
| 00:51 | < maoranma> | I should write a python program that does bogosort (to max x iterations), bozosort, maybe goro sort, and "quantum bogosort" at the end |
| 00:52 | < maoranma> | I was wrting a dice module for extra credit, but I wonder which I should do now |
| 01:01 | <~Vornicus> | what is gorosort? |
| 01:02 | <~Vornicus> | oh, I see. |
| 01:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | maoranma: add a pure python reimplementation of the timsort, but with a subtle bug to make it slower than the others for the inappropriately slow test cases you use :) |
| 01:18 | < maoranma> | Haha. I figured what I'd do with qbogosort is have it output the number of other universes destroyed ((2^N)-1) |
| 01:20 | < maoranma> | Hmm... which doesn't sound right... |
| 01:23 | < maoranma> | Let's see, it should spawn 2^n universes where in is the number of random bits. But at least of one should aways be sorted, so that's 2^0, and a list of two should be 2^1? |
| 01:23 | | * maoranma goes back to his dice script... |
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| 01:28 | < maoranma> | Here's a weird question, can I extrapolate info for a class based on the name of the object it's given... Ie, I have a class of dice, and say I do gurps = 3d6(), can I have the class figure out that by it's name it should roll 3d6 for itself? |
| 01:29 | <~Vornicus> | Good god don't fucking do that |
| 01:29 | < maoranma> | LMAO |
| 01:30 | < maoranma> | Actually, it would have to be 3d6 = diceObj() |
| 01:30 | <~Vornicus> | That won't work either anyway |
| 01:30 | < maoranma> | Then from self it can index out that info? |
| 01:30 | <~Vornicus> | Because 3d6 isn't a valid literal |
| 01:30 | < maoranma> | Oh, I see |
| 01:31 | <~Vornicus> | And no language that I am aware of tells a function or constructor what the name of the lvalue is. |
| 01:32 | < maoranma> | So, self in Python only return the name of the object, ie, the class, not the variable that's referencing it? |
| 01:32 | <~Vornicus> | It doesn't return a name at all. |
| 01:32 | <~Vornicus> | It's a reference; references aren't names. |
| 01:32 | < maoranma> | Ah, right |
| 01:33 | < maoranma> | So it's just a memory reference? |
| 01:33 | <&Derakon> | There could be any number of names for that object. |
| 01:33 | <&Derakon> | foo = Dice(); bar = foo; baz = bar; |
| 01:33 | < maoranma> | Yea, that's right |
| 01:34 | <&Derakon> | But more relevantly, if it were possible and you did this I'd have to kill you. |
| 01:34 | < maoranma> | Oh well, the concept question was worth it for Vornicus' reaction |
| 01:35 | < maoranma> | Always looking for ways to make my code as obtuse as possible |
| 01:35 | <~Vornicus> | Seriously why would you do that to yourself |
| 01:35 | < maoranma> | I'm automasochistic? |
| 01:42 | < maoranma> | Okay, so I want to define a class that has 2 nonoptional arguements and three entirely optional arguements, what would be the easiest way to handle that? |
| 01:42 | < maoranma> | Keyword arguements? |
| 01:42 | <~Vornicus> | sort(seq, reverse = False, key = None, cmp = None) |
| 01:42 | <&Derakon> | def __init__(self, arg1, arg2, arg3 = foo, arg4 = bar, arg5 = baz) |
| 01:43 | <~Vornicus> | Just like that |
| 01:43 | <&Derakon> | Just give defaults to all the optional parameters. |
| 01:45 | < maoranma> | so, to creat the object with say, just arg5, I would have to do obj(arg1,arg2,arg5=xyz)? |
| 01:45 | <&Derakon> | Uh, no... |
| 01:45 | <&Derakon> | In my example, that would throw an error "missing required parameter arg1". |
| 01:46 | <&Derakon> | Oh, wait, yes, that's what you'd do. |
| 01:46 | <&Derakon> | Sorry, misread. |
| 01:46 | < maoranma> | lol |
| 01:46 | <&Derakon> | It's Friday. |
| 01:47 | <&McMartin> | Three day weekend wooo |
| 01:49 | <&Derakon> | Yus. |
| 01:49 | <&Derakon> | And it's gonna be a busy one for me. |
| 01:51 | < maoranma> | So, if I did it positional like... def __init__(self,quantity,sides,exp=false,threshold=0,add="+0")... I should be able to create the obj = obj(3,6,0,true,"+1") with the last three in any order and it not melt? |
| 01:51 | < maoranma> | Since I have a bool, int, and string? |
| 01:53 | <&Derakon> | Uh, no. |
| 01:53 | <&Derakon> | Python doesn't have any type safety. |
| 01:54 | <&Derakon> | You have to use the order used in the function definition, or keyword your arguments. |
| 01:54 | < maoranma> | Ah |
| 01:54 | <&Derakon> | E.g. "obj(3, 6, threshold = 0, exp = true, add = "+1")" |
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| 02:00 | <~Vornicus> | You can also, at that, keyword only a few options. |
| 02:00 | <~Vornicus> | obj(3,6,threshold = 4) |
| 02:01 | < maoranma> | Right |
| 02:01 | <~Vornicus> | Or non-keyword options, in order, but leave off the last few: obj(3,6,true,3) |
| 02:03 | < maoranma> | In order of common use, I'll put it add, threshold, exploding |
| 02:03 | <&Derakon> | Oh, is that what exp means? |
| 02:03 | < maoranma> | Exploding dice are something I've only seen a few times, but I like the concept of it |
| 02:03 | <&Derakon> | I assumed it meant exponent. |
| 02:03 | < maoranma> | nah, this is for my dice script |
| 02:03 | <~Vornicus> | by the way don't abbreviate your words unless they're very common abbreviations. |
| 02:04 | < maoranma> | Agreed |
| 02:06 | <&McMartin> | I think "exploding" for dice might be >_> |
| 02:06 | < maoranma> | Know what exploding dice are? |
| 02:07 | <~Vornicus> | Also, you might be violating a normal form here; is the threshold there the threshold to have the dice explode? |
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| 02:08 | <&McMartin> | maoranma: Rolling an N on the N-sided die means you keep the N and add it to a reroll of the (also exploding) die? |
| 02:09 | < maoranma> | No, it's for rerolling, ie dice(3,6,threshold=1) means roll 3 6-sided dice, and reroll 1s |
| 02:09 | <~Vornicus> | Ah, call it reroll_threshold then. |
| 02:09 | < maoranma> | And yes, exploding dice is like that |
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| 02:10 | < maoranma> | You could theoretically have exploding be a value instead of bool, so you can have it reroll and add any particular number, or range of numbers |
| 02:11 | < maoranma> | But the most common definition of it is reroll and add the highest side |
| 02:11 | < maoranma> | Vornicus: will do |
| 02:15 | < maoranma> | Oh, I meant to ask, is there a way to make a class perform it's methods on contruct? |
| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Call them from the constructor. |
| 02:27 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah. As long as the data that the method needs exists, you can use them all you want. |
| 02:27 | <&McMartin> | In Python, do not do this until after you have called super.__init__ |
| 02:28 | < maoranma> | super.__init__? |
| 02:28 | <&McMartin> | The __init__ methods of your parent classes. |
| 02:28 | <&McMartin> | named super here for convenience |
| 02:29 | <&McMartin> | Whoops, d'oh |
| 02:30 | | * McMartin has a working parser here but he forgot some fields in his AST, and as such needs to recode Many Things. |
| 02:31 | <~Vornicus> | note that if your parent is object, you don't have to worry about super |
| 02:31 | < maoranma> | I guess I'm not understanding. I get a global name 'x' is not defined whenever I do it where x is a function in the same class |
| 02:32 | <&McMartin> | You have to say self.x (assuming you've named the self argument self) |
| 02:32 | < maoranma> | Oh |
| 02:32 | < maoranma> | OH |
| 02:32 | < maoranma> | *headdesk* Of course it was that simple |
| 02:33 | < maoranma> | That self arguement throws me off every time |
| 02:35 | <&McMartin> | To be fair, this is a major difference between the Python family of OO (Smalltalk, Objective-C) and the more common one (C++, Java, C#). |
| 02:49 | < maoranma> | Oh, polymorphism, right |
| 02:49 | < maoranma> | x.append(y) != x + y |
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| 03:24 | < maoranma> | beep |
| 03:28 | | * Vornicus beeps maoranma. |
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| 11:40 | < Stalker> | Ano of you have the necessary tools to open minidump files and are currently active? |
| 11:44 | <@jerith> | What are minidump files? |
| 11:45 | | * jerith fiddles with his depixeling code, trying to do magic with integration. |
| 11:47 | <&McMartin> | Stalker: WinDbg should be a free download from MSDN |
| 11:47 | <&McMartin> | Actually *using* it I cannot teach you at 3:47 AM |
| 11:48 | <&McMartin> | But I can point you at http://windbg.info |
| 11:48 | <&McMartin> | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg463009 |
| 11:48 | <&McMartin> | These open dump files |
| 11:48 | <&McMartin> | And, well |
| 11:48 | <&McMartin> | Good luck |
| 11:49 | < Stalker> | McMartin: I've come that far too, but I am not actually able to download it. |
| 11:49 | <&McMartin> | You can't get or run winsdk_web.exe? |
| 11:49 | <&McMartin> | It's a piece of what that installs. |
| 11:50 | < Stalker> | MSDN in general seems unwilling to provide a download button. |
| 11:50 | <&McMartin> | https://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=8279 ? |
| 11:52 | < Stalker> | That was easy, thank you. |
| 11:52 | <&McMartin> | Dunno why it didn't work for you at first, but there you go |
| 11:52 | <&McMartin> | It'll show up under "Debugging Tools for Windows" - make sure the x86/x64 part matches the minidump |
| 11:53 | <&McMartin> | windbg.info is full of tutorials but it's terrifyingly arcane overall |
| 11:53 | <&McMartin> | !analyze -v is a good start for BSOD minidumps though. |
| 11:57 | < Stalker> | Well, can't actually use this, since I have to boot in safe mode to avoid a BSOD. |
| 11:57 | < Stalker> | And safe mode does not have the windows installer, on which this relies. |
| 11:57 | < Stalker> | Thanks though, at least that exhausts that possebility. |
| 11:58 | <&McMartin> | If you're still having trouble tomorrow night, I might be able to try to look at it myself if you can put it somewhere |
| 11:59 | <&McMartin> | But I'm not likely to get you much more than the bluescreen itself will give you (that is, which module, and a stack trace with nothing you care about in it) |
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| 11:59 | <&McMartin> | Unless you've been developing your own device drivers or something. |
| 11:59 | <&McMartin> | You might try logging the boot to see what the last successful load is, maybe? |
| 12:00 | < Stalker> | Actually the cause of the bluescreen is a STOP 0xbe event, which is a driver trying to write in ROM memory. |
| 12:00 | < Stalker> | So I wanted to find out which driver it was so that when I wipe my box I can perhaps avoid the issue. |
| 12:00 | <&McMartin> | There should be a .sys or .dll listed too |
| 12:00 | <&McMartin> | As the one causing the STOP |
| 12:01 | < Stalker> | Oh? |
| 12:01 | < Stalker> | Didn't see one. |
| 12:01 | < Stalker> | But I'll try to provoke another. |
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| 12:01 | <&McMartin> | It's right under the stop code |
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| 12:06 | < Stalker> | Nope. |
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| 12:07 | <&McMartin> | Hm, odd |
| 12:07 | <&McMartin> | It should look like this: |
| 12:07 | <&McMartin> | http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/BSOD_Main.png |
| 12:07 | <&McMartin> | With a .sys under the STOP code |
| 12:08 | < Stalker> | It doesn't. |
| 12:08 | < Stalker> | No .sys line. |
| 12:08 | <&McMartin> | To get the faulting module or stack trace, !analyze -v from the dump should do it. |
| 12:08 | <&McMartin> | How big is the dump? |
| 12:08 | <&McMartin> | Also: x64 or x86? |
| 12:09 | < Stalker> | 271 kb |
| 12:09 | < Stalker> | x64 |
| 12:09 | <&McMartin> | Feel free to email it to mcmartin@gmail.com, I've got the x64 WinDbg installed right here |
| 12:09 | < Stalker> | Thank you. |
| 12:10 | <&McMartin> | No guarantees, though, if the BSOD didn't say anything itself |
| 12:11 | < Stalker> | Sent. |
| 12:11 | < Stalker> | Nah, that's fine. |
| 12:12 | < Stalker> | I'm going to wipe the box anyway, I just want to avoid future complications. |
| 12:17 | <&McMartin> | It's ntoskrnl.exe crashing, but I can't get the symbols to work right for me so I can't tell which driver it's dealing with, if any |
| 12:17 | < Stalker> | ntoskrnl sounds like something serious enough to actually warrant a reinstall. |
| 12:17 | < Stalker> | This happened before too, but then went away on its own. |
| 12:17 | < Stalker> | Now it's back, with a vengeance. |
| 12:18 | <&McMartin> | If you're getting through the credprov, and msconfig says nothing's there, the only other places to check would be the Startup folder, and the registry keys that hide additional autostart info |
| 12:18 | < Stalker> | At first I thought it was due to the frost freezing my RAM. (Frozen RAM attack - like) |
| 12:18 | < Stalker> | I've also disabled the registry keys. |
| 12:18 | <&McMartin> | You might want to take a look at HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run |
| 12:18 | < Stalker> | I did. |
| 12:18 | <&McMartin> | And RunOnce, underneath it |
| 12:19 | <&McMartin> | And then the HKLM equivalents |
| 12:19 | <&McMartin> | k |
| 12:19 | <&McMartin> | memtest86 isn't actually too shabby an idea |
| 12:19 | < Stalker> | I had manually added a bat file to open some explorer windows which had been working fine. (This was a substitute to Explorer's native save-open-windows-thingie) |
| 12:19 | < Stalker> | Did that, no results. |
| 12:19 | < Stalker> | CHKdsk is also clean. |
| 12:19 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, you're getting through the login screen, it sounds like |
| 12:20 | < Stalker> | I am. |
| 12:20 | <&McMartin> | Which is crazy for BSODs, because once you're through the credential provider, damn near everything lives in userland |
| 12:20 | < Stalker> | I thought it might be explorer.exe being initialized too quickly (due previously mentioned bat) but the problem persisted through disabling all startup programs. |
| 12:20 | <&McMartin> | Also, this looks like it's Vista/7? |
| 12:20 | < Stalker> | 7. |
| 12:20 | <&McMartin> | Explorer can survive termination in Vista/7. |
| 12:21 | < Stalker> | What do you mean? |
| 12:21 | <&McMartin> | Or rather |
| 12:21 | <&McMartin> | A login session can survive having explorer terminated |
| 12:21 | < Stalker> | Been able to do that since 95. |
| 12:21 | <&McMartin> | Somebody else - I think it's LogonUI.exe - will restart it for you. |
| 12:21 | <&McMartin> | Right, but the thing is, explorer also lives in userspace |
| 12:21 | < Stalker> | .. well, I've been terminating explorer.exe whenever there's explorer problems since 95 at least. |
| 12:22 | <&McMartin> | It shouldn't be able to bluescreen you under any circumstances |
| 12:22 | | * Stalker shrugs. |
| 12:22 | <&McMartin> | ISTR in 95 and 98 you had to restart it by hand afterwards |
| 12:22 | <&McMartin> | through the task manager or whatever |
| 12:22 | < Stalker> | At this point I was just trying to secure everything. |
| 12:22 | <&McMartin> | Don't remember for XP |
| 12:22 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 12:22 | < Stalker> | Still do for XP. |
| 12:22 | <&McMartin> | I'd say "back up important data, then do your nuke and pave, see what's up" |
| 12:22 | < Stalker> | Did the backuping already. |
| 12:22 | <&McMartin> | By the time you hit the login GUI *at all* all device drivers should be completely loaded. =/ |
| 12:23 | < Stalker> | Yup. |
| 12:23 | < Stalker> | It idles just fine at the login GUI too. |
| 12:23 | <&McMartin> | Though I guess it wasn't a driver crashing, huh, it was ntoskrnl.exe~ |
| 12:23 | < Stalker> | For at least 10 minutes. |
| 12:23 | < Stalker> | Possibly. |
| 12:24 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I guess I should say "that's the module the dump identifies" |
| 12:24 | < Stalker> | Oh well, see you on the other side, I guess. |
| 12:24 | <&McMartin> | Good luck |
| 12:24 | < Stalker> | Thanks. |
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| 12:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | #define DECLARE_POSTFIX_INCREMENT(type) \ |
| 12:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | inline type operator ++(type& e, int) \ |
| 12:41 | | * Rhamphoryncus develops a twitch |
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| 13:23 | < Red_Queen> | Well, that seems to have worked. |
| 13:23 | < Red_Queen> | Now I'm updating my windoooze. |
| 13:36 | < Red_Queen> | Thank you McM. |
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| 14:59 | < Thalass> | Stupid question: I'm reinstalling ubuntu and want / and /home to be separate partitions. How large does / have to be? |
| 14:59 | <@Tamber> | Not terribly. |
| 15:00 | | * Tamber has / at 40G, and is only using 21G of that. |
| 15:00 | <@Tamber> | (And that's with the source of everything, including LOffice.) |
| 15:02 | < Thalass> | Thanks. I'm checking how large the backup of my /home is via the wide's laptop. Should have checked before starting. :P |
| 15:02 | <@Tamber> | :p |
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| 15:19 | < Thalass> | Righty. 50gb for /, 194gb for /home, and 5gb for swap. Then spare at the end because i'm going to try and get expressgate working again. |
| 15:19 | < Thalass> | Not that i'll use it much haha |
| 15:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Thalass: I've got 20GB for / here and it's less than half used. |
| 15:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | 50GB is almost certainly a lot of overkill. |
| 15:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | What's an expressgate? |
| 15:28 | < Thalass> | dangit i just clicked install haha |
| 15:29 | < Thalass> | Asus netbooks have a second power button that quickly boots a minimalist OS that runs firefox, some kind of IRC, and a couple of other netbook related things. |
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| 15:31 | < Thalass> | Oh well, this install only has to last until i get back from Canada. By then the new Ubuntu should be out and i can decide which flavour of linux to go with. |
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| 15:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, you can always use gparted to resize the partitions if you need to |
| 15:35 | | * Thalass nods |
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| 15:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Woot, I think my timetabling is actually reliable this time |
| 15:43 | <@Tamber> | Now you've doomed it. |
| 15:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Even when I turned on breakdowns and a bunch of them in a row through it off.. after a minute it recovered. Briefly, before more breakdowns through it off. |
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| 15:52 | < Thalass> | Is this OTTD? |
| 15:53 | < Thalass> | (dangit. Fresh install and the brightness buttons are wonky again. I'd forgotten about that. ) |
| 16:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yes |
| 16:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I've been hacking on the timetabling for the last 2-3 weeks now |
| 16:09 | < Thalass> | neat. I haven't really used timetables much, yet. |
| 16:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | They're garbage |
| 16:15 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Each vehicle is totally independent from each other, so if one is late it has to make up the lost time all by itself |
| 16:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Start times have to be manually set for each vehicle, using a calendar day. 5 vehicles on a 44 day cycle? 9, 9, 9, 9, 8, which means.. febuary 1st, febuary 10th, febuary 19th, febuary 28th, march 7th |
| 16:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And the kicker, various things (such as sending your vehicle to the depot) can break synchronization |
| 16:20 | < Thalass> | ah. Glad i haven't, then |
| 16:21 | < Thalass> | I'm still hanging out for cargodest and subsidiaries returning. |
| 16:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yeah |
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| 16:31 | < thalass> | ah. Much better. |
| 16:32 | < thalass> | Hrm. Brightness issue on my netbook. Updating the bios is recommended. I didn't do that last time. |
| 16:39 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Bah. Now I have a new circumstance I dislike. Not late at all :P |
| 16:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | More specifically, take a route with 4 trains and 4 stops, equally spaced. As long as there isn't too much slack they'll balance out and become synchronized. |
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| 16:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But take that same route and boost it to 8 trains... now their wait times overlap so you have much more slack, meaning you can have 3 trains at one stop and 1 at another and it's still not late |
| 16:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So.. the first there is to have a *third* criteria for idle vehicles |
| 16:46 | <~Vornicus> | Is this a circle route or a back and forth route? |
| 16:46 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Or say fuck it and let the user prod them if they want it to be pretty |
| 16:46 | < Rhamphoryncus> | circle |
| 16:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I think the underlying problem is when creating a route you take the average transit+loading time and add some slack, but when increasing the number of vehicles the slack shouldn't scale up as much |
| 16:48 | <~Vornicus> | With 8 trains on a 4-station route like that you should have 4 stopped and 4 moving at any given time. |
| 16:48 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That's my expectation |
| 16:50 | <~Vornicus> | Which I think in all situations you can get by doing "go if a clone arrives" |
| 16:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That'd be a special case. I'm talking general here. |
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| 16:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | aha, the disparate loading times are what's throwing it off |
| 16:57 | < Rhamphoryncus> | First vehicle that arrives gets first dibs on whatever there is to load. It's possible if they're slow to load and unlucky to stay loading keep past their departure time because more keeps showing up |
| 16:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But I consider them already departed |
| 16:59 | <~Vornicus> | So if they're supposed to depart, but more stuff keeps showing up to get loaded before it finishes loading what it's got, then you're screwed. |
| 16:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yup |
| 17:00 | <~Vornicus> | What does your considering them already departed do? |
| 17:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But then the next vehicle doesn't do that, so they leave in a burst |
| 17:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It means they're not late |
| 17:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | At least not at that station |
| 17:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And because there are extra trains they're not likely to be late at the next one |
| 17:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I do occasionally see a late arrival, but it's too rare to trigger a skip |
| 17:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It seems as if delivering passengers causes the game to produce more.. which might very well be the case |
| 17:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Oh hey, I just saw a train overtake another in a station |
| 17:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It took so long to unload that the following train unloaded first |
| 17:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hmm, actually, I think I can fix this. I have a flag indicating a train is waiting for a departure. If I have a departure and that flag is set it means another train is waiting. |
| 17:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Vehicle 103 running away! |
| 17:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | :D |
| 17:36 | <@Tamber> | :D |
| 17:37 | <~Vornicus> | Is that a quote? |
| 17:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | nope. Just my debugging print |
| 17:40 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But it may harken back to this somehow: http://archive.kontek.net/rott.classicgaming.gamespy.com/fun/imfree.jpg |
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| 18:13 | | * AnnoDomini lols at job advert. They want developer nerds, but put in bold letters that good personal hygiene is required. |
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| 18:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Problem fixed without the running away thing. It was a regression due to my patch. |
| 18:39 | < Rhamphoryncus> | If a vehicle loaded only a partial amount in the last tick, meaning not at the maximum rate they can, the timetable is supposed to take precedence. Unfortunately I didn't update the bit of code looking at the timetable. :) |
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| 18:41 | <@AnnoDomini> | maoranma: First bugfix released today. |
| 18:42 | < maoranma> | Saw |
| 18:42 | <@AnnoDomini> | Wrench. |
| 18:42 | < maoranma> | Bet adv mode still hard as fuck |
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| 18:45 | < maoranma> | Because I'm tired of getting shot in the brain by crosseyed kobold #3 |
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| 19:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | https://bitbucket.org/rhamph/openttd-rhamph/changesets/tip/branch%28%22route%22% 29 |
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| 19:40 | < Red_Queen> | So far, so good. Almost done patching windows (I hope). Could anyone explain to me why it refuses to acknowledge the existance of my external HDD? |
| 19:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | As in, you plug the disk in and it isn't assigned a drive letter? |
| 19:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or as in you plug it in and it doesn't even appear in the Disk Manager? |
| 19:51 | < Red_Queen> | As in I plug in the disk, and both the device manager recognizes something is plugged in, and the hdd begins blinking in activity, but that's all that happens. |
| 19:52 | < Red_Queen> | The last five windows update updates also refuses to download. |
| 19:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Open disk manager, see if the disk shows up there and what its partition layout is |
| 19:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | It might be having a crazy and assigning drive letters that are already in use (this seems to be very common when networked drives are being used), or the disk might not have any filesystems on it that windows knows how to mount. |
| 19:53 | < Red_Queen> | This disk worked fine before I wiped and reinstalled my computer. |
| 19:53 | < Red_Queen> | It has my backup. |
| 19:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | (disk manager is under Control Panel -> Administration somewhere, IIRC) |
| 19:53 | < Red_Queen> | Yeah, computer management. |
| 19:54 | < Red_Queen> | Does not show up. |
| 19:54 | < Red_Queen> | I assume it's because Windows does not actually recognize it as an external HDD: |
| 19:54 | < Red_Queen> | Even though the device manager writes "USB Mass Storage device." |
| 19:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's weird. I've got nothing. |
| 19:55 | < Red_Queen> | Windows has determined the driver software is up to date >_< |
| 19:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | Good luck. |
| 19:58 | < Red_Queen> | Aha, here we go. |
| 19:58 | < Red_Queen> | Apparently windows had decided to auto-disable it in the device manager. |
| 20:07 | < Red_Queen> | GERONIMO! |
| 20:08 | < Red_Queen> | Well, that failed spectacularly. |
| 20:10 | < Red_Queen> | Round 2 - FIGHT! |
| 20:10 | < Red_Queen> | Hmm, my settings are borked. |
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| 20:19 | < Stalker> | Something is decidedly wrong. |
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| 20:22 | < Eri> | Man, I have an intrinsic fuzzy-filter on this crt monitor. |
| 20:22 | < Eri> | Really should replace it, someday. |
| 20:22 | < Eri> | I was looking up some mysql stuff, and I saw vorns-mysql-plugin, and was wondering if it was our vorn |
| 20:22 | < Eri> | Then I put it on the other monitor, and realized it was voms |
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| 20:26 | < Stalker> | Nice, thanks guys. |
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