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| 04:37 | | * Vornicus works on weighted-average resampling for images. |
| 04:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Argh, lame. google maps has taken away their mapsgl, at least for me |
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| 07:08 | < Eri> | Is there any way to remove root's write permissions for a file? |
| 07:09 | < Eri> | I'm in the middle of a feud with Linux Mint. Every time they update Firefox, it changes my default search engine to a mint-branded custom search |
| 07:09 | < Eri> | So, I change it back by modifying a value in an sqlite database |
| 07:09 | < Eri> | I'd rather just make it impossible for the software updater to change that file |
| 07:10 | < Eri> | I suppose I could go upstream, to the ubuntu distribution, rather than mint's branded distribution |
| 07:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Check if there's a mint-addon installed |
| 07:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | On ubuntu it comes with Ubuntu Firefox Modifications |
| 07:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Which isn't broken like that, but maybe that's where linux mint does it |
| 07:14 | <@Ling> | <Eri> Is there any way to remove root's write permissions for a file? <-- Not really. "chattr +i file" will usually get the same result. |
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| 07:17 | < Eri> | Hmm. There's a firefox stylish addon which may have been doing it. |
| 07:18 | < Eri> | I'll find out next update. If not, I'll use your solution, Ling |
| 07:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Knowing the difference between premature and appropriate optimization is so difficult sometimes. I don't want to use an O(n) algorithm when I can use an O(m) one.. but that's still linear and there's O(n) stuff running on the same object count anyway |
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| 09:16 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Heh. Formula is supposed to give me between 0 and 3. Tried it in qalculate and got -40000..150000 |
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| 09:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | *swaps his multiplier and divisor* Perfect! |
| 09:23 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Nothing like trial-and-error mathematics. |
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| 11:14 | | * TheWatcher eyes this code |
| 11:15 | <@TheWatcher> | $grouph -> execute($group -> {"id"}, $user -> {"id"}) or return $self -> set_error("Unable to perform group member insert: ".$self -> {"dbh"} -> errstr); |
| 11:15 | <@TheWatcher> | Makebe I should change that error message. |
| 11:15 | <@TheWatcher> | *maybe |
| 11:18 | <&McMartin> | Are you suggesting that it implies an anatomical improbability? |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: I see the bug |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: you're using perl |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | :D |
| 11:19 | <@TheWatcher> | :P |
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| 12:12 | < gnolaptop> | Ah, industry slides. |
| 12:12 | < gnolaptop> | So reliably enormous. |
| 12:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Of course my trial-and-error mathematics turns out to be wrong anyway |
| 12:36 | < gnolaptop> | ? |
| 12:36 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Or not. Had the wrong values inputted |
| 12:37 | < gnolaptop> | Ah. The mentat problem. |
| 12:37 | < Rhamphoryncus> | gnolaptop: earlier I did a formula that was supposed to be between 0 and 3. It gave me -40000..150000 |
| 12:37 | < gnolaptop> | ... yeah, that's a bit off. |
| 12:37 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That was because I had the multiplier and divisor swapped |
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| 12:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So I have a vehicle route that's 36 days long and indeed it does trigger a departure every 36 days.. but there's *3* stops, so they should each be triggering |
| 12:46 | < gnolaptop> | Your TTD branch? |
| 12:46 | < gnolaptop> | *fork |
| 12:46 | <@Tamber> | spoon? |
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| 12:46 | <@gnolaptop> | There is no spoon. |
| 12:52 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | gnolaptop: yup |
| 12:52 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Damnit. I'm so used to python's sane handling of negatives for division/modulus that I didn't remember that C is insane |
| 12:55 | <@gnolaptop> | The result of a negative modulo in C is undefined. |
| 12:57 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | I'm seeing indications that it's implementation defined, not undefined |
| 12:58 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | And the latest version might settle on truncate towards zero |
| 12:59 | <@gnolaptop> | Err, right. |
| 13:02 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | So one problem fixed. On to the next. |
| 13:03 | | * TheWatcher eyes |
| 13:04 | <@TheWatcher> | I assume there's some reason you can't just take the absolute and modulo that? |
| 13:04 | <@TheWatcher> | Anything with "implementation defined" in it where C is concerned should be read as "Run the fuck away"~ |
| 13:05 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Absolute would be wrong. What I did was add my modulus to it |
| 13:06 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | Just shift it up so that it stays positive and in the well-defined domain |
| 13:10 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | It seems that my oh-so-fancy algorithm fails completely when there's more orders than vehicles |
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| 13:23 | <@Rhamphoryncus> | ahaha. Disabled one part that I didn't implement at all like I was supposed to and it works :) |
| 13:51 | <@gnolaptop> | Oh dear lord |
| 13:51 | <@gnolaptop> | This slide has the "SA algorithm" bringing about a "Final solution" >_< |
| 13:55 | <@Tamber> | ... |
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| 18:31 | <@ShellNinja> | http://i.imgur.com/CfSwf.jpg |
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| 20:23 | <@froztbyte> | http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/064 |
| 20:55 | <@RichyB> | froztbyte: I have to wonder if the *problem* there is that they found a bunch of RSA keys that originated on Debian machines. |
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| 21:05 | <@ShellNinja> | Allegedly found on the Polish telecom's website: "instructions on how to download and install Adobe reader [PDF, 853 kB]" |
| 21:05 | <@Namegduf> | RichyB: Seems very likely to me. |
| 21:06 | <@Namegduf> | 2 out of 1000 unupdated? That's believable. |
| 21:15 | <@ShellNinja> | I want to try "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp", but I am uncertain how to stop it. |
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| 21:16 | <&Derakon> | Earlier today, I unplugged a thumb drive from a (Windows 7) computer, and the computer decided to neatly shut itself down. |
| 21:16 | <&Derakon> | (That is, it closed running programs, popped up a screen that said "Windows is shutting down", etc, and there was no error message when we brought it back up) |
| 21:16 | <&Derakon> | Now, granted I didn't do the "safely remove hardware" thing, but still. Sheesh. |
| 21:18 | <&McMartin> | That's p. odd |
| 21:18 | <&McMartin> | I'm used to having random sectors trashed. -_- |
| 21:18 | <&McMartin> | Though Macs seem worse about this |
| 21:19 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, OSX will bitch at you if you eject without unmounting the device first. |
| 21:19 | <@ShellNinja> | Hmmm. Cat should show up in pgrep, right? |
| 21:19 | <@Namegduf> | Just hit Ctrl+C |
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| 21:21 | <@ShellNinja> | Cool. |
| 21:23 | <@ShellNinja> | This sound is awful. It does not sound at all like dubstep. |
| 21:24 | <&Derakon> | In other words, dubstep is only a subset of awful things~ |
| 21:26 | <@ShellNinja> | Haha. |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | DUB ALL THE STEPS |
| 21:27 | | * jerith dubs all the steps. |
| 21:29 | <@ShellNinja> | I remember, back in the ancient days, that someone wrought some magic and made a C64 computer into an improvised synthetic keyboard with one command. |
| 21:29 | <@ShellNinja> | I never could find that command. |
| 21:29 | <@ShellNinja> | But it made keys correspond to notes. |
| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | That is not a stock command. |
| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | The SID required a great deal of programming to use. |
| 21:30 | <@jerith> | ShellNinja: I typed that in from a magazine. |
| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | So the command would have had to be "RUN" |
| 21:30 | <@ShellNinja> | Wow. |
| 21:31 | <&Derakon> | ShellNinja: yeah, we had a program that did that. |
| 21:31 | <@jerith> | The function keys adjusted attack, sustain, decay, release. |
| 21:31 | <&Derakon> | Complete with graphics. |
| 21:31 | <@jerith> | By tweaking those, you had a pretty solid synthesiser. |
| 21:32 | <@ShellNinja> | My recollection is that what I saw had no graphics. Just sound. |
| 21:32 | <&McMartin> | You could hook the keyboard interrupt and then return to the prompt. |
| 21:37 | | * Derakon gives a quietly maniacal chuckle as he verifies that his program is actually 64-bit by allocating 10GB of memory. |
| 21:37 | <&McMartin> | :science: |
| 21:42 | <@jerith> | Quite. |
| 21:42 | <@jerith> | But can you allocate 11? |
| 21:42 | <&Derakon> | I can allocate 32 if I really want to. |
| 21:43 | <&Derakon> | And still not dip into virtual memory. |
| 21:43 | <@jerith> | Do you? |
| 21:44 | | * Derakon laughs at Task Manager, whose estimate of how much memory he's using keeps going up as it realizes that he's actually going to use that memory he allocated. |
| 21:44 | <@ShellNinja> | What do you need 10GB of memory for? 640k should be enough for anyone. |
| 21:45 | <&Derakon> | That's only be enough to store 528 images in RAM before running out. |
| 21:46 | <&Derakon> | Which in turn would only be...about 4 volumes' worth of data. |
| 21:46 | <&Derakon> | Hardly enough to track changes in microscopic structures in realtime. |
| 21:54 | <@jerith> | http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=358 |
| 21:58 | <@froztbyte> | ShellNinja / Derakon / jerith / whoever else cares: obligatory mention: http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line- of.html |
| 22:02 | <@gnolam> | Ah, the one that ended up spawning http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/12/ibniz-hardcore-audiovisual-virtual.ht ml |
| 22:04 | <@froztbyte> | oh, neato |
| 22:04 | <@froztbyte> | thanks...didn't actually know about that yet :) |
| 22:24 | <&Derakon> | Every once in awhile I poke at procedurally-generated art, and after making a few basic things discover that I don't really know what I'm doing. |
| 22:28 | <@ShellNinja> | These are pretty awesome. |
| 22:30 | | * Alek recalls equation-graphing procedural art on his graphing calculator. XD |
| 23:24 | < maoranma> | So, I got my usb numpad now, I can play dwarf fortress again |
| 23:24 | < maoranma> | And "used" on Amazon means "defective" |
| 23:24 | < maoranma> | But I'm good at un defectivifying things, so I got it working properly again |
| 23:24 | <@ShellNinja> | Are you playing the version released today? |
| 23:25 | < maoranma> | It's actually really nice, it has a space bar and back space as well as a double 00, and of course numlock |
| 23:25 | < maoranma> | THERE WAS VERSINO N TIOEALDED TODAYN?! |
| 23:25 | <@ShellNinja> | http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ |
| 23:25 | | * maoranma flrrd yo doyr |
| 23:25 | <~Vornicus> | what the space, noah |
| 23:26 | < maoranma> | DOWNLOAD FASTER |
| 23:27 | < maoranma> | omg so excited have to pee brb |
| 23:30 | | * Derakon eyes the changelist, is disappointed at the implicit single moon. |
| 23:30 | <&Derakon> | Toady should implement support for multiple moons, including implications for worldgen due to screwy tides. |
| 23:30 | < maoranma> | I'm sure he's planning on it |
| 23:31 | < maoranma> | Materia Magica has two moons |
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| 23:31 | <&Derakon> | And have civs where weres are the norm because there's practically always a moon that is full. |
| 23:31 | <@ShellNinja> | He'll get around to making the number of moods moddable. |
| 23:31 | < maoranma> | VASH NEW DORF FORTRESS TODAY |
| 23:31 | <&Derakon> | But every so often everyone turns into a human. |
| 23:32 | < maoranma> | And women are always PMSing |
| 23:32 | < maoranma> | You know, like real life |
| 23:32 | <@Vash> | Um, wait, what? |
| 23:32 | < maoranma> | DOOOORFS |
| 23:32 | <@Vash> | ... o_O |
| 23:33 | <&Derakon> | Ahh, misogyny. That reminder that seemingly-normal people can be secretly jerks. |
| 23:33 | <&Derakon> | (Or just bad at sarcasm) |
| 23:33 | < maoranma> | Both |
| 23:33 | | * Vornicus shoots maoranma. Into VY Canis Majoris. |
| 23:34 | <@ShellNinja> | Misogyny: the radical belief that any man can hate women nearly as much as other women can. |
| 23:34 | | * ShellNinja flees to sleep. :P |
| 23:34 | <&Derakon> | (Size of VY Canis Majoris ~= size of Saturn's orbit) |
| 23:35 | <&Derakon> | (Ergo the notional barn that you need to be able to hit to demonstrate remotely competent targeting) |
| 23:36 | | * Vornicus literally looked up "list of largest stars" in wikipedia. |
| 23:36 | <&Derakon> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Star-sizes.jpg |
| 23:36 | < maoranma> | And it came up I'm sure |
| 23:36 | <~Vornicus> | It did, that's where I got it! |
| 23:37 | <&Derakon> | I love how that image repeatedly says "You thought this thing was big? It's barely a dot compared to this other thing!" |
| 23:37 | <&Derakon> | It really should do "size of the Solar System" towards the end though. And then "distance to closest star", etc. |
| 23:38 | < maoranma> | http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/674165 |
| 23:38 | < maoranma> | Sorta like that |
| 23:39 | <&Derakon> | "If the Earth were to be represented by a sphere one centimeter in diameter...VY Canis Majoris would have a diameter of approximately 2.3 kilometers." |
| 23:39 | < maoranma> | Makes you feel REALLY REALLY REALLY teeny tiny. |
| 23:39 | <&Derakon> | Maoranma: that image doesn't really do much to make those numbers comprehensible though. |
| 23:39 | <&Derakon> | Man, I have enough trouble comprehending the size of the Earth itself. |
| 23:40 | < maoranma> | No, it doesn't, but it's still a good backgroup |
| 23:40 | < maoranma> | backdrop* wtf |
| 23:40 | < maoranma> | It's like my brain has auto"correct" |
| 23:40 | <&Derakon> | News for you: it does. |
| 23:40 | <&Derakon> | Muscle memory gets used to typing certain patterns. |
| 23:41 | < maoranma> | YES I LOVE SCIENCE |
| 23:41 | < maoranma> | Almost as much as I like MATH |
| 23:41 | <&Derakon> | Pay too little attention after starting a word and you'll probably end up finishing it with something sensible but nonsensical. |
| 23:41 | < maoranma> | And almost as much as I like geology *pokes dorffort still gen'ing a world* |
| 23:42 | < maoranma> | I'm scared to look at ToadyOne's code |
| 23:43 | < maoranma> | It's either a terrble mess and a devourer of soul, or he's like OCD organized and it's like if god was a programmer |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's the former |
| 23:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | The DF internals are horrific |
| 23:46 | < maoranma> | Does it verge on the "how the fuck does this compile" line? |
| 23:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | It might. |
| 23:47 | <&Derakon> | I suspect it's more of the "massive program developed organically without any design doc". |
| 23:47 | <&Derakon> | I'm familiar with that type. |
| 23:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | "...by a non-programmer" |
| 23:47 | <&Derakon> | It's not trying to be clever; it's just shoehorning in new functionality that was never specced for. |
| 23:47 | < maoranma> | Organic, like spagetthi |
| 23:47 | <&Derakon> | Yeah. |
| 23:48 | < maoranma> | GOD DAMN THIS LAPTOP CPU |
| 23:48 | <&Derakon> | Worldgen crashed? |
| 23:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | He open-sourced the display code a while ago for people to hack on and the results were dramatic both in terms of "there's foam in my brain" and "this is the kind of performance improvements a week of hacking on it by experienced programs gets you" |
| 23:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | From what I've seen it's not as bad as, say, Minecraft or Terraria, but it's still :canoworms:. |
| 23:48 | < maoranma> | foam in my brain, I lol'd |
| 23:48 | <&Derakon> | Not even experienced programmers -- experienced *programs*~ |
| 23:48 | < maoranma> | Oh god, Terraria is suposedly very very bad |
| 23:49 | <&Derakon> | Rule 1: unshipped software is useless. |
| 23:49 | < maoranma> | I mean, I like Redigit, he's a cool, but shesh |
| 23:50 | < maoranma> | I hate the new lighting engine, I said so to his IRC face. He did this... |
| 23:50 | < maoranma> | :) |
| 23:50 | < maoranma> | I suspect he'd being a twat on purpose. |
| 23:51 | < maoranma> | Used to, I was all like "well, at least it runs a hell of a lot better than minecraft", now, so much lag |
| 23:51 | <&Derakon> | Man, if someone came to me and said "I don't like <thing I spent significant effort on>", responding with ":)" would be pretty restrained~ |
| 23:52 | <&Derakon> | I mean, you're free to not like something. |
| 23:52 | <&Derakon> | And I'm free to ignore you. |
| 23:53 | < maoranma> | lol |
| 23:53 | <&Derakon> | (Though I of course do so at my own peril) |
| 23:53 | < maoranma> | He's funny like that though |
| 23:53 | < maoranma> | But seriously, I still hate it, it just lags so hard at times now |
| 23:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh hey, Google have blogged about the shipwars competition I was invited to a while ago: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/ship-wars-google-waterloo-virtual.html |
| 23:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Derakon: this is true, and I'd rather have a Minecraft or a Dwarf Fortress and just not look at the internals ever than not have them. |
| 23:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, that doesn't make it any less frustrating to watch. |
| 23:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Especially when something goes wrong and you know what it is and also know that it will never get fixed because the developers are terrified of letting anyone else see the code. |
| 23:55 | < maoranma> | God damn if I see Jane Austen one more time I am so jailbreaking this thing |
| 23:55 | <&Derakon> | Oh, sure. |
| 23:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | (although in Minecraft at least that seems to be changing; Jeb's been doing a lot of cleanup work on the codebase.) |
| 23:55 | < maoranma> | God bless Jeb |
| 23:55 | < maoranma> | He has a hell of a task |
| 23:56 | | * Derakon eyes that article. "What, no screenshots?" |
| 23:56 | < maoranma> | his new skeleton AI is pretty neat though |
| 23:56 | < maoranma> | I think it'd like redcode screenshots are basically a log |
| 23:56 | < maoranma> | it's* |
| 23:57 | < maoranma> | ToxicFrog: Are you in that picture? |
| 23:57 | <&Derakon> | If he is, he's not facing the camera. |
| 23:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm in that one (barely) and am more visible in a few others |
| 23:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | And yeah, I'm not facing the camera. |
| 23:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's not like redcode, actually; the ships actually fight in simulation. |
| 23:57 | < maoranma> | Visiually? |
| 23:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, the screenshots are nothing to write home about. |
| 23:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's Spacewar without the background starfield or the sun. |
| 23:58 | <&Derakon> | I'm just saying, for an outsider the game is the most interesting thing about that article. |
| 23:58 | <&Derakon> | So showing a bunch of photos of geeks and the food they got to eat is...teasing. |
| 23:58 | < maoranma> | Are you the douche with suspenders? |
| 23:58 | | * ToxicFrog checks the album |
| 23:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm, no screenshots there either. |
| 23:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'll ask Christian if there are any they're hiding :) |
| 23:59 | < celticminstrel> | What about Jeb? |
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