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| 00:36 | <@McMartin> | AHA |
| 00:36 | <@McMartin> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childcraft |
| 00:36 | <@McMartin> | Probably the "Our Earth" volume. |
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| 04:53 | < mike3> | Samsung NPRF711-S03CA LAPTOP for sale! price 500 obo! intel 2nd gen core i7 2630qm 2.0ghz processor, nvidia geforce gtm 540, 17" hd LED display, 500 gb hard drive, bluray player, 6 gb ram. if interested, please email me at unlockedmilestone@gmail.com |
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| 05:02 | < Eri> | Crap |
| 05:02 | < Eri> | I was seriously holding out hope that that was my friend Mike |
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| 06:28 | <@jerith> | McMartin: I remember those. |
| 06:29 | <@jerith> | They were great. |
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| 14:24 | <@iospace> | fuck you broadcom |
| 14:33 | <@Tamber> | Any particular reason, or just in general? |
| 14:38 | < RichardBarrell> | Usually drivers. |
| 14:48 | <@iospace> | RichardBarrell got it |
| 14:49 | <@iospace> | you have to install the drivers on linux |
| 14:49 | < RichardBarrell> | I got what? I PLEAD THE FIFTH |
| 14:49 | <@iospace> | to get wifi working |
| 14:49 | < RichardBarrell> | (of vodka) |
| 14:56 | <@Namegduf> | iospace: You do on Windows if it didn't come preinstalled on the machine, too |
| 14:57 | <@Namegduf> | To be fair |
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| 14:57 | <@iospace> | true |
| 14:57 | <@iospace> | but it's a stupid idea |
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| 15:00 | | * iospace is running a full update on him |
| 15:02 | <@iospace> | (him being dirac or my netbook :P) |
| 15:10 | <@iospace> | there we go |
| 15:10 | <@iospace> | running updates fixed it |
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| 16:05 | < celticminstrel> | I wonder, could there be problems with two versions of MacOS using the same user directory? |
| 16:17 | <@jerith> | Howso? |
| 16:18 | < celticminstrel> | I mean if I link the Users directory on the new Lion install to point to the Users directory on the old Snow Leopard install (I'm not going to replace the Snow Leopard install due to games that require Rosetta.) |
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| 16:25 | <~Vornicus> celmin: considering ~/Application Support is where macos puts everything, any incompatibilities between Snow Leopard's and Lion's config files will cause problems. |
| 16:29 | < celticminstrel> | Eh, okay. |
| 16:29 | < celticminstrel> | That means I'll now have three user directories. :/ |
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| 17:07 | | * PinkFreud watches paint dry |
| 17:07 | <@PinkFreud> | ... deleting a 11.5 GB android source tree. It may as well be paint drying... |
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| 17:16 | < gnolam> | Watching a paint event dry? |
| 17:18 | <@Tamber> | Hehehe. |
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| 17:35 | <@Ling> | O.o |
| 17:35 | <@Ling> | When did I get ops |
| 17:35 | <@jerith> | Ling: We generally give everyone ops. |
| 17:36 | <@jerith> | (Although I'm a little more conservative and sometimes skip nicks I don't recognise.) |
| 17:36 | <@Tamber> | I'm lazy and use a wildcard. |
| 17:36 | <@jerith> | Firstly, more ops means a quicker response to spambots and such. |
| 17:37 | <@Tamber> | Plus, I figure the people who actually know what they're doing'll correct me if I op someone who really shouldn't. ;) |
| 17:37 | <@jerith> | Secondly, there are enough people in here with rather higher levels of access than chanops that ops abuse can be punished rapidly and brutally. |
| 17:38 | <@celticminstrel> | I see five opers. |
| 17:38 | <@jerith> | So don't deop everyone and gloat. But feel free to kick/ban spammers and trolls and such. |
| 17:38 | <@celticminstrel> | And two super-ops. |
| 17:38 | <@Ling> | Poor Eri |
| 17:39 | <@Ling> | I'm guessing ey did something? |
| 17:39 | | mode/#code [+o Eri] by Tamber |
| 17:39 | <@Tamber> | Eri just joined. ;) |
| 17:39 | <@jerith> | Yes. Arrived after the opfest. :-) |
| 17:39 | <@Ling> | http://www.watching-paint-dry.com/ |
| 17:40 | <@jerith> | We only have a few people on the chanserv access list, and that's fairly recent. |
| 17:40 | | * Vornicus added everyone who was in the channel and registered to the access list the other day. |
| 17:40 | <@jerith> | Oh, cool. |
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| 17:41 | <~Vornicus> (previously it was literally just me, which was kind of surprising) |
| 17:41 | <@Ling> | Neat |
| 17:41 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: When you reregistered the channel, you didn't set up the list. |
| 17:41 | <~Vornicus> apparently |
| 17:42 | <@jerith> | celticminstrel: And I count seven opers in here. |
| 17:42 | <@Ling> | Your client is glitching |
| 17:42 | <@celticminstrel> | ...am I on the access list then? |
| 17:43 | <@jerith> | Although they may not all be opered up. |
| 17:43 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm just going by what my client says are opers. |
| 17:43 | <@celticminstrel> | So I guess if they're not "opered up" they wouldn't be noticed. |
| 17:43 | <@Ling> | Mine shows everyone as having ops or higher |
| 17:43 | | Irssi: #code: Total of 29 nicks [27 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal] |
| 17:45 | <@jerith> | Ling: We're talking about network-level opers. |
| 17:45 | <@Ling> | Ah, I usually call them ircops to be clearer. |
| 17:45 | <@jerith> | The people who run Nightstar and override most of the usual access controls and limitations. |
| 17:45 | <@celticminstrel> | ircop=oper |
| 17:46 | <@jerith> | "ircop" and "oper" are both generally used to mean network-level operators. |
| 17:46 | <@Ling> | I'm in too many channels where people say "oper" to mean chanops |
| 17:46 | <@Ling> | :/ |
| 17:47 | <@iospace> | heh |
| 17:47 | <@jerith> | Fortunately, the Nightstar opers are an extremely polite and professional bunch who tend not to interfere unless they absolutely have to. |
| 17:48 | <@jerith> | (Mostly because we're lazy and don't like politics. Nightstar exists so that we can talk to our friends, and a pleasant environments is good for everyone.) |
| 17:50 | <@TheWatcher> | (Except Syloq, who is just here to be blamed for everything~) |
| 17:53 | <~Vornicus> I blame syloq for other IRC networks' ridiculous politics |
| 17:55 | <@Ling> | I'm on one network where there's a rogue ircop. |
| 17:56 | <@Ling> | He's banned the majority of the top 10 channels (in user counts) from the help channel, and some of the users by name. |
| 17:56 | <@jerith> | There's at least one other network with competent opers and very little politics. Coincidentally, I'm an oper there as well. |
| 17:56 | <@celticminstrel> | What network is this, out of curiousity? |
| 17:56 | <@Ling> | Slashnet |
| 17:56 | <@jerith> | celticminstrel: Or did you mean mine? |
| 17:56 | <@jerith> | (Shadowfire.) |
| 17:57 | <@Ling> | Other than that I usually stay out of the ircop channels so I don't know who is or isn't an ircop on the other networks I'm on. |
| 17:57 | <@jerith> | It's a little bigger than here, and has a higher ratio of lamers to awesomeness that Nightstar. |
| 17:58 | <@jerith> | I suppose PinkFreud and Syloq encapsulate most of our lame and keep it safely contained. |
| 17:58 | <@Ling> | Might be the fact that 29/33 of the users are here in #code. |
| 17:59 | <@Tamber> | jerith, oh, so Pinky's good for something? :p |
| 17:59 | | * Tamber duck. |
| 17:59 | <@celticminstrel> | 29/33? What? |
| 17:59 | <@Ling> | My client reports this channel as having 29 users and the server having 33. |
| 17:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Really? |
| 17:59 | <@Ling> | ... which is much less than the login information |
| 17:59 | <@jerith> | It's probably only reporting the ones it can see. |
| 18:00 | | * Ling goes to file a BR |
| 18:00 | <@Ling> | Maybe |
| 18:00 | <@celticminstrel> | Invisible users wouldn't be included, would they? |
| 18:00 | <@Ling> | * There are 245 users and 185 invisible on 3 servers |
| 18:00 | <@Ling> | That's a massive difference |
| 18:01 | <@jerith> | Ling: Count the people in the other channels, drop overlaps and see if that totals 33. |
| 18:02 | <@Ling> | I'd rather not thanks, my client eats the commands that list users in the channels and I don't want to P&P that. |
| 18:02 | <@Ling> | That sounds reasonable |
| 18:02 | <@Ling> | I'm only in here and #Exalted (8 users) |
| 18:02 | <@iospace> | welcome to nightstar! |
| 18:02 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 18:02 | <@Ling> | :p |
| 18:06 | <@jerith> | So if there are four people in #Exalted who are also here, that's you answer. |
| 18:06 | <@Ling> | Oh, class naming convention help: I'm extending a library that provides a Template and XTemplate class (the former is the parent of the latter) and I'm extending XTemplate into a new class with a few more features, but don't know what I should call it. |
| 18:09 | <@jerith> | YTemplate. |
| 18:09 | <@jerith> | You know the two hardest problems in computer science, right? |
| 18:09 | <@jerith> | 1. Naming things. |
| 18:09 | <@jerith> | 2. Cache invalidation. |
| 18:09 | <@jerith> | 3. Off-by-one errors. |
| 18:10 | <@Tamber> | *grin* |
| 18:10 | <@iospace> | i hate testing things |
| 18:10 | <@gnolam> | Heh |
| 18:10 | <@Ling> | Everyone does |
| 18:10 | <@iospace> | i hate writing the scripts |
| 18:10 | <@Tamber> | I hate it when things that I'm /sure/ shouldn't work, do, and I can't tell why. |
| 18:12 | | * jerith hates writing tests more than almost anything else. |
| 18:13 | <@jerith> | One of the few things I hate /more/ than writing tests i working on code that doesn't have tests. |
| 18:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Tamber: that one's easy to explain |
| 18:14 | <@TheWatcher> | The computer hates you and is trying to drive you mad |
| 18:14 | <@Tamber> | Sure it is. I don't know what the hell I'm do... oh, that works too! |
| 18:29 | <@gnolam> | Trust Friend Computer. |
| 18:34 | | * jerith assigns gnolam a Mandatory Bonus Duty. |
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| 18:42 | <~Vornicus> I hate writing tests but I think part of that is I make my tests really big. |
| 18:43 | <@jerith> | I try for small tests. |
| 18:43 | !Milliways.TX.US.Nightstar.Net *** iospace invited shepheb into the channel |
| 18:43 | <@jerith> | Test one thing per test. |
| 18:45 | <@Ling> | ^ |
| 18:45 | <@Ling> | That and keep your functions small |
| 18:45 | <~Vornicus> like, my current tests for my depixel are full rooms from DROD |
| 18:45 | | * Ling goes for a soft limit of 150 lines, but starts looking at it if it reaches 50. |
| 18:46 | <@iospace> | the test i wrote is gawd awful hueg |
| 18:46 | <@iospace> | then again it runs /every command/ |
| 18:46 | <~Vornicus> Wait |
| 18:47 | <~Vornicus> You write functions longer than 20 lines and are okay with that? |
| 18:47 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: Do what I do in my depixel tests. |
| 18:47 | | * jerith often writes functions longer than 20 lines. |
| 18:48 | <@jerith> | Well, "often". They're probably less than 5% of my functions. |
| 18:48 | <@jerith> | And it doesn't really make sense to break them up. |
| 18:56 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: So, I added a space invader test image. |
| 18:56 | <@jerith> | And it also chooses the wrong diagonals in some places. |
| 18:58 | <~Vornicus> D: |
| 18:58 | <@jerith> | Any thoughts? |
| 18:59 | <~Vornicus> Hng, let me think. |
| 19:00 | <~Vornicus> Well, it could be that, um, hm. Could you convince it to, how do I put this, deal with them in ambiguity order? |
| 19:02 | <~Vornicus> Like, for each ambiguous diagonal, consider ambiguous diagonals nearby to maximize favor in one direction, and then the other, and any that don't have enough ambiguity in that to change minds, disambiguate, and then repeat this? |
| 19:02 | <@jerith> | How about a multipass thing that marks diagonals as removeable and then reevaluates treating the ones marked as removeable as gone. |
| 19:02 | <@jerith> | Keep going until nothing changes. |
| 19:02 | <@jerith> | But then there might be loops. |
| 19:03 | <@jerith> | Hrm. |
| 19:03 | <@jerith> | We'd need a recursive thing. |
| 19:04 | <@jerith> | I'll start by running through and marking the ambiguous corners as such. |
| 19:04 | <~Vornicus> And doing that for a large image would be problematic: |
| 19:05 | <~Vornicus> Because you end up with dozens of ambiguous corners and that's no fun. |
| 19:09 | <~Vornicus> WHat you want to do is try to, for each ambiguous corner, see the range of scores the things can take: tentatively choose diagonals nearby to make associated curves longer or shorter, and associated sparse areas larger or smaller. |
| 19:10 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: Each diagonal is only affected by the local 8x8 block and any one-wide curves. |
| 19:10 | <~Vornicus> RIght. |
| 19:10 | <@jerith> | So it shouldn't be /too/ bad. |
| 19:10 | <~Vornicus> But the thing is that one diagonal is affected by other diagonals nearby, which are affected by further diagonals that are less local... |
| 19:11 | <@jerith> | That's irrelevant. |
| 19:11 | <@jerith> | I'll weight them by evaluating each ambiguous diagonal as both present and absent. |
| 19:12 | <@jerith> | Then I'll go for the maximum and minimum on each, and collapse the ones where that makes no difference. |
| 19:13 | <~Vornicus> WHich is what I was aiming for |
| 19:13 | <~Vornicus> except that I think you can choose diagonals towards min and max without having to enumerate every possibility. |
| 19:14 | <@jerith> | Yeah, but enumerating each is probably easier. |
| 19:15 | <~Vornicus> possibly |
| 19:18 | <@jerith> | Also more stabler. |
| 19:18 | <@jerith> | -r |
| 19:28 | <~Vornicus> Oh, possibility |
| 19:31 | <~Vornicus> If you can guaranteed tell an "outer space" pixel (based on edges or something?), you can extend the sprite into outer space for the weight consideration. |
| 19:32 | <@jerith> | That won't help in all cases. |
| 19:33 | <@jerith> | Specifically, it'll make the situation worse in the space invader case. |
| 19:33 | <@jerith> | Also, it's hard to do without faking a bunch of graph nodes outside the image. |
| 19:36 | <@jerith> | Ugh. It's going to be tricky doing this multipath weight evaluation. |
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| 20:54 | < maoranma> | So... Esperanto is kind of...fun |
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| 21:31 | <@Alek> | but is it as fun as Latin? |
| 21:31 | <&McMartin> The "Why Not To Learn Esperanto" rant is pretty hilarious >_> |
| 21:32 | <@Alek> | do link XD |
| 21:34 | < maoranma> | Second, I know where it is |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> Hm, my fisrt search failed |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> elinks is recalcitrant -_- |
| 21:35 | <@jerith> | Bleh. I don't have a good way to do this. |
| 21:35 | < maoranma> | http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/ |
| 21:35 | < maoranma> | Tiu estas la ranto. |
| 21:35 | < maoranma> | Er, that is the rant |
| 21:36 | <&McMartin> That looks familiar, yes. |
| 21:36 | <&McMartin> For reasons I don't entirely understand, my dad is a fiend for Interlingua |
| 21:36 | <&McMartin> I am perhaps less impressed because Spanish was the language I learned in school. |
| 21:42 | <@Alek> | ahahah. so much sense. |
| 21:43 | | * Alek really wants to finish learning Latin, though. |
| 21:44 | <@iospace> | I wanna learn dvorak... then flail as i have to use qwerty xD |
| 21:45 | <@Alek> | lol |
| 21:46 | <@Tamber> | That's the reason I didn't do what seems to be the popular thing whilst learning dvorak, and rearrange my keyboard. (That and I actually use the nubs on qwerty.F and qwerty.J to locate my fingers properly.) |
| 21:48 | < maoranma> | There we go, now I can type via deadkey ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? |
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| 22:01 | <@Alek> | what's deadkey? |
| 22:02 | < celticminstrel> | ... |
| 22:02 | < Stalker> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_key LMGTFY? |
| 22:06 | <@Alek> | ahh. so that's what it's called. >_> |
| 22:06 | < maoranma> | thank you Stalker |
| 22:06 | < maoranma> | So all I have to do to type ? it follow a c with a x |
| 22:06 | < Stalker> | The other way around. |
| 22:06 | < maoranma> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/495 |
| 22:07 | < Stalker> | ? = ? + i |
| 22:07 | < Stalker> | Actually, I suppose "?i" would be more accurate, because that's what I'm pushing if I didn't use a space to make an empty umlaud. |
| 22:07 | < maoranma> | Yes, but I did it c x because that's how it is normally typed in Esperanto if you don't bother with the diacritics |
| 22:08 | < Stalker> | It is? |
| 22:08 | < maoranma> | Plus as a autohotkey script, I can pause it |
| 22:08 | < maoranma> | Yes, for example |
| 22:08 | < Stalker> | I press ^c |
| 22:09 | <@Alek> | "There's a bulletin board in the elevator, displaying a dating-club ad. 'We met each other here!' type of thing. There's 11 photos attached, 3 men and 8 women. Every time I take the elevator, I try to guess which of them met whom. So far, no luck solving the mystery." |
| 22:09 | < maoranma> | ?ati is normally typed sxati if you're not using the diacritics |
| 22:10 | < Stalker> | Alek: Obviously they all met eachother simultaniously. |
| 22:10 | < Stalker> | Otherwise it would've said "Each one of us met someone else here!" |
| 22:10 | <@jerith> | Two gay couples, two straight couples and a threesome? |
| 22:11 | < celticminstrel> | I was working on setting up deadeyes with autohotkey... it's tedious. <_< |
| 22:11 | < maoranma> | hardly, it's pretty easy, but I haven't quite figured out how to escape a deadkey yet |
| 22:11 | < maoranma> | Here's mine |
| 22:12 | < maoranma> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/495 |
| 22:12 | <@Alek> | jer: hehe. |
| 22:12 | <@Alek> | but which kind of threesome? >_> |
| 22:13 | < maoranma> | Although pastebin was cute and replaced all my diacritic letters with &#*; unicode strings |
| 22:13 | < Stalker> | Alek: Since there are three men and only two straight couples, one would have to assume a MFF threesome. |
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| 22:15 | <@Alek> | oh. right. point. *tired* |
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| 22:17 | < Stalker> | I guess the real question is: Who got a gender change and is appearing twice? |
| 22:18 | < celticminstrel> | Uh, that's hotstrings, not deadeyes. |
| 22:19 | < celticminstrel> | ...do HTML entities actually work? o.O |
| 22:19 | < celticminstrel> | I was using "Send {ASC xxxx}". |
| 22:21 | < maoranma> | No, it broke it |
| 22:21 | < maoranma> | http://pastebin.com/40wMwKCk |
| 22:21 | < maoranma> | That's it without HTML entities |
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| 22:22 | <@Alek> | or who is double-timing. XD |
| 22:23 | < maoranma> | Maybe not deadkeys, but close enough |
| 22:31 | < maoranma> | I said: Starforge fiaskas, tio difektas mia kodo. |
| 22:32 | < maoranma> | Starforge fails, it damages my code. |
| 22:32 | < maoranma> | Hehe |
| 22:36 | <@Alek> | http://notalwaysrelated.com/bad-idea/19620 |
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| 22:57 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 23:24 | < maoranma> | Trivia: AFK is FDK in Esperanto, for de klavaro |
| 23:26 | <@gnolam> | Pfft. Esperanto. |
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| 23:33 | < celticminstrel> | "Chess.app can't be modified or deleted because it's required by Mac OS X." Yeah right. |
| 23:33 | < celticminstrel> | sudo rm -r! |
| 23:33 | < celticminstrel> | Because I tried to move it and ended up with two copies. |
| 23:43 | | iodriving is now known as iospace |
| 23:47 | < maoranma> | It's true, Chess.app is what keeps OS X together. |
| 23:52 | <@iospace> | hai from linux |
| 23:52 | <@iospace> | ^_^ |
| 23:53 | < maoranma> | Haltu! Estas martelo tempo! |
| 23:53 | | * maoranma dances |
| 23:54 | | * McMartin hurls maoranma out a plane |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> Let's see your pants save you now! |
| 23:54 | < maoranma> | lmao |
| 23:55 | | * gnolam hmms. |
| 23:55 | <~Vornicus> what |
| 23:57 | <@gnolam> | These 16-bit ints might actually be a problem... |
| 23:58 | <@gnolam> | False alarm. |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> Vorn: "Stop, Hammer Time", and MC Hammer's trademark parachute pants |
| 23:58 | <~Vornicus> ah, I see. |
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