| --- Log opened Thu Jan 05 00:00:49 2012 |
| 00:10 | < gnolam> | https://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_is_going_to_mess_up_the_internet.ph p |
| 01:06 | < jerith> | https://github.com/jerith/depixel |
| 01:06 | < jerith> | Vornicus: ^^^ |
| 01:07 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 01:13 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 01:18 | | iospace is now known as ioblargh |
| 01:26 | < celticminstrel> | Is it worth getting Maple for $75 when I'd probably use it only occasionally? |
| 01:28 | <~Vornicus> jerith: woot |
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| 02:11 | < Eri> | Hmm, that's weird. My electromagnetics textbook has a little comp-sci timeline. They point out the invention of Fortran, Basic, and Java, but not C |
| 02:12 | < gnolam> | Philistines. |
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| 02:34 | < ioblargh> | http://i.imgur.com/KOOMP.jpg |
| 02:34 | < ioblargh> | PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFG |
| 02:34 | < ioblargh> | ... |
| 02:34 | < ioblargh> | *PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT |
| 02:35 | <~Vornicus> :( |
| 02:35 | < ioblargh> | Vornicus: don't get it? |
| 02:41 | <~Vornicus> I do get it. That's why :( |
| 02:42 | < ioblargh> | hehehehe |
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| 04:06 | < Ling> | Coffee-cooled computer? Finally a use for that disgusting crap. |
| 04:06 | < Ling> | </trolling> |
| 04:10 | < gnolam> | ioblargh: I don't get it. |
| 04:11 | < ioblargh> | ... |
| 04:11 | < ioblargh> | ram (in) stein |
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| 04:41 | <~Vornicus> Hm. THinking on it, I think jerith's right, I should be doing that thing with the small corners too; it does look to make the weird areas smaller. Though it does not actually reduce the number of deformed tiles. |
| 04:57 | <~Vornicus> Meh. Worry about it later; got to convert all my math into vectors. |
| 05:02 | <~Vornicus> Also my full-room polygon selection system is fast enough that I get a time of 0 off it. |
| 05:03 | <~Vornicus> Even without going to tables. |
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| 05:44 | <~Vornicus> Yay, changing a major type |
| 06:04 | < jerith> | Vornicus: It does reduce the number of deformed tile. |
| 06:05 | < jerith> | Anything with no neighbours of different colours is now not deformed at all. |
| 06:11 | <~Vornicus> But... those aren't deformed in mine either? |
| 06:13 | <~Vornicus> oh, wait, I see now. Anything with no unlike 4-neighbors are undeformed in yours, but in mine they would be. |
| 06:15 | <~Vornicus> (to the extreme that the center of a + in mine is actually a square of edge length 0.5 instead of 1) |
| 06:18 | < jerith> | Err, yeah. I meant "lateral neighbours" their. |
| 06:18 | < jerith> | *there |
| 06:18 | | * jerith blames having been fiddlign with github until *way* too late for his current grogginess. |
| 06:19 | | * Vornicus tends to call them 4-neighbors and 8-neighbors; their 3d analogues are 6-neighbors, 18-neighbors, and 26-neighbors. |
| 06:22 | | * Vornicus gets a stupid refactor thought. |
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| 06:25 | <~Vornicus> Instead of building per-tile polygons, I could build per-corner vertices or vertex pairs. |
| 06:27 | < jerith> | Howso? |
| 06:28 | <~Vornicus> (I'd then need to, you know, build the polygons, but...) |
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| 06:31 | <~Vornicus> So right now, I examine the four corners around each tile and figure out what I have to put there; this means that each corner gets its vertices figured out four times. |
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| 06:37 | | * jerith only looks at vertices on diagonals, so never adjusts eac one more than twice. |
| 06:38 | < jerith> | I also adjust each side of the corner depending on whether it's adjacent to a same-coloured pixel or not. |
| 06:38 | <~Vornicus> But there's now seven different layouts for corners, and six of them are distinct as far as any particular tile is concerned; I go from five conditions to six. |
| 06:39 | <~Vornicus> er, from two conditions to five. |
| 06:39 | <~Vornicus> This is a little bit unwieldy! |
| 06:41 | <~Vornicus> hng. okay, what was that algorithm, the one where you walk around a bitmappy blob using simple rules... |
| 06:41 | < jerith> | "Conway's Game of Life"? |
| 06:42 | < jerith> | "Nethack"? |
| 06:42 | <~Vornicus> No, the one where, um |
| 06:42 | < Derakon> | Marching squares. |
| 06:42 | <~Vornicus> That. |
| 06:42 | < Derakon> | Or cubes, for 3D. |
| 06:42 | < Derakon> | A moment, I have an implementation for Jetblade. |
| 06:43 | <~Vornicus> \o/ der |
| 06:43 | < maoranma> | So apparently the glider from conway's game of life is the new hacker symbol |
| 06:44 | <~Vornicus> The new one? |
| 06:44 | < Derakon> | Hm, though it's not exactly cleanly separated from everything else. |
| 06:44 | < maoranma> | http://catb.org/hacker-emblem/ |
| 06:44 | < jerith> | maoranma: I've been using it as my favicon for seven or eight years. |
| 06:44 | <~Vornicus> it's been the favicon of catb for practically as long as there have been favicons |
| 06:44 | < maoranma> | Indeed |
| 06:44 | < Derakon> | http://pastebin.com/A0VWKiLF |
| 06:45 | < maoranma> | I noticed it when I searched for "hacker" on wallbase.cc |
| 06:45 | < maoranma> | And I was like "wtf is this?" |
| 06:47 | < Derakon> | Varn: any questions, or can I go to bed~? |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> You can go to bed~ |
| 06:47 | < Derakon> | Okay, good luck! |
| 06:47 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 06:47 | < Derakon[AFK]> | And good night. |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> Got them in the wrong order there |
| 06:48 | < maoranma> | I'm confused, is ~ a user mode? |
| 06:48 | <~Vornicus> ~ is "channel founder" |
| 06:48 | < maoranma> | I see |
| 06:48 | <~Vornicus> speaking of which I have been derelict in my duties. |
| 06:49 | < maoranma> | I wonder if I can get around the irc port block at my school |
| 06:49 | < maoranma> | I had some python questions |
| 06:50 | | mode/#code [+ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo AD[Shell] Alek celticminstrel cpux Derakon[AFK] eckse Eri EvilDarkLord himi ioblargh Janus jerith Kazriko Kindamoody|out Ling maoranma McMartin Namegduf PinkFreud Reiver sshine Syloqs-AFH Taki^ Tamber Tarinaky TheWatcher[zZzZ] Vash] by Vornicus |
| 06:50 | <@maoranma> | I was having issues with print() concatenation |
| 06:50 | <@maoranma> | Oh hey, it's like #nightstar_bar in the old days |
| 06:50 | <@jerith> | "An armed society is a polite society." |
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| 06:51 | <@maoranma> | Also, what's better than IDLE that also autocompletes python functions? |
| 06:51 | <@jerith> | ipython? |
| 06:51 | <@maoranma> | Oh, and is portable |
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| 06:51 | <@jerith> | ipython is a REPL, not an editor. |
| 06:52 | <@maoranma> | I need an editor, like Geany |
| 06:52 | <@jerith> | Emacs autocompletes, but based on words in open buffers rather than static code analysis. |
| 06:52 | <@maoranma> | Yea, Geany does that |
| 06:52 | | * jerith dislikes IDEs. |
| 06:52 | <@maoranma> | My only issue with geany is getting it to NOT print colors from syntax hilighting |
| 06:53 | <@maoranma> | Since I have to print my sources and hand them in for credit |
| 06:53 | <@jerith> | You don't like angry fruit salad? |
| 06:53 | <@maoranma> | As opposed to, ya know, emailing them |
| 06:53 | <@maoranma> | I love angry fruit salad, but on a B/W printer, it looks like ass |
| 06:55 | | * jerith is highlighted in services logs, see Vorn giving a bunch of people channel flags. |
| 06:55 | <@jerith> | maoranma: Print them with something else? |
| 06:55 | | * Vornicus has been truly derelict. |
| 06:55 | <@maoranma> | jerith: Well, obviously |
| 06:55 | <@maoranma> | But that's annoying |
| 06:55 | <@maoranma> | I don't like annoiances |
| 06:55 | <@maoranma> | annoyances? |
| 06:55 | <@jerith> | Pipe them through a LaTeX engine s they're beautifully typeset? |
| 06:55 | <@jerith> | *so |
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| 06:56 | <@jerith> | maoranma: My Depixeling implementation is because I got annoyed. |
| 06:56 | <~Vornicus> don't contradict me, chanserv~ |
| 06:57 | <@maoranma> | In geany, you can change the format to none, and it treats it as plain text. |
| 06:57 | <@jerith> | Monaco 13 misrenders the # character, which results in pixel droppings on partial screen redraws. |
| 06:57 | <@jerith> | So I looked for a different font. |
| 06:59 | <@jerith> | I can find either outline fonts (which render badly to small-size non-anti-aliased glyphs) or bitmap fonts (which render /really/ badly to glyph sizes that aren't provided as bitmaps). |
| 07:01 | <@maoranma> | Looks like in np++, I can have function completion OR word completion... |
| 07:04 | <~Vornicus> Truetype 4tw |
| 07:06 | <~Vornicus> (or rather, seriously, font designers, lern2truetype) |
| 07:06 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: Howso? |
| 07:07 | <~Vornicus> Truetype fonts include vector versions and also various hinting systems that allow them to be rendered well at low point sizes. |
| 07:07 | <~Vornicus> Opentype also does this. |
| 07:08 | <@maoranma> | Oh, ctrl-enter gives me word complete when in function complete |
| 07:08 | <~Vornicus> The abilities are kind of extreme: I remember discovering that the original MacOS font, Chicago, had entirely differently-shaped glyphs in different sizes for one of its characters. |
| 07:08 | <@maoranma> | I can handle that |
| 07:09 | <@jerith> | Most TT engines require a vector version and can have multiple bitmap versions at different resolutions. |
| 07:10 | <~Vornicus> And yet, apparently, none of the fonts you found do this. |
| 07:10 | <@jerith> | Hinting is a Dark Art, and isn't reliable across different engines. |
| 07:10 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: Quite. Most things assume that your engine will happily draw any size you like out of just the outline. |
| 07:11 | <@Janus> | font making with vectors. Couldn't imagine. Doing a 4x6 px font was tough enough |
| 07:11 | <~Vornicus> Vectors are the actual usual way. |
| 07:13 | <@jerith> | However, Apple's renderer values the glyph shape over the pixel grid, so it generally renders somewhat heavier glyphs. |
| 07:13 | <@jerith> | At low resolutions, this makes them look fuzzy. |
| 07:14 | <@jerith> | It's much worse if you're using light-on-dark for some reason. I think their anti-aliasing is tuned for dark-on-light. |
| 07:15 | <~Vornicus> Adjusting the weighting values for a different gamma was probably considered not worth the effort. |
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| 07:21 | | * jerith eats some Release Cake for breakfast. |
| 07:22 | <@maoranma> | Holy crap, np++ has lots of plugins |
| 07:26 | <~Vornicus> Release Cake? |
| 07:28 | <@jerith> | We released vumi 0.3 (my day job's open-source codebase) yesterday. |
| 07:28 | <@jerith> | There was cake. |
| 07:29 | <@jerith> | Since we worked from the Wynberg Office (my dining room) yesterday, I got the leftover cake. (Also, I provided the cake to begin with.) |
| 07:30 | <@jerith> | By the time we released, there were only three of us left and one of the others only wanted a tiny sliver. |
| 07:30 | <@jerith> | So I'm having it double as the Release Cake for my depixeling code. |
| 07:30 | <@jerith> | Also, as breakfast. |
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| 07:53 | <@Janus> | There is no more complete breakfast |
| 07:54 | <@Tamber> | You mean a bucket of tea and some cake isn't a complete, balanced breakfast? Not even if I hold the bucket in one hand, and the cake in the other? |
| 07:56 | <@Janus> | You could walk a tight rope to the moon with a breakfast so balanced |
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| 08:37 | <@maoranma> | http://pastebin.com/L8RepB6a |
| 08:37 | <@maoranma> | D-bag on IronDust, haha |
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| 15:29 | <@ioblargh> | BEST |
| 15:29 | <@ioblargh> | COMMENT |
| 15:29 | <@ioblargh> | EVER |
| 15:29 | <@ioblargh> | "Ported this code and I don't undertand the comments either." |
| 15:37 | | * jerith grovels through the aquamacs code to try figure out a weird issue that cannot reliably be reproduced. |
| 15:37 | | * Syloqs-AFH gives tora a cookie |
| 15:37 | <@jerith> | Sometimes a half-created invisible window appears, displaying the current buffer. |
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| 21:01 | < yuyutu> | h |
| 21:02 | < yuyutu> | hi |
| 21:02 | <@jerith> | o/ |
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