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| 13:14 | < TheWatcher> | For the record? I fucking hate unicode handling |
| 13:17 | < Tamber> | Duly noted. |
| 13:17 | | * Tamber throws some EBCDIC at TheWatcher. |
| 13:19 | <@jerith> | Unicode handling is fine. |
| 13:19 | <@jerith> | As long as you know what it is you have. |
| 13:20 | <@jerith> | "Hi, these are some bits that probably mean something" is not much fun to deal with. |
| 13:23 | < gnolam> | If everyone could just standardize on UTF-8 already, everything would be fine. |
| 13:24 | < TheWatcher> | indeed |
| 13:25 | <@jerith> | But UTF-16 (or UCS-2, which is only very slightly different) are so much more efficient at wasting space! |
| 13:25 | < TheWatcher> | ARGH |
| 13:25 | <@jerith> | And who /really/ cares about byte ordering anyway? |
| 13:25 | < TheWatcher> | Whole fucking thing is a ridiculous mess |
| 13:26 | <@jerith> | So we should /obviously/ put BOMs into stuff that is specifically prohibited from having them. |
| 13:27 | <@jerith> | My favourite is receiving messages over SMPP with a data_coding field of "octets unspecified", and having to guess what's in them. |
| 13:27 | < gnolam> | I feel that most of the blame is on wchar_t. If that hadn't been jimmied into C/C++, we wouldn't have so much bloody mutually incompatible UTF-16/UCS-2 around. :P |
| 13:28 | <@jerith> | A lot of stuff uses UCS-2 internally, because it's faster to work with than UTF-8. |
| 13:28 | <@jerith> | Trading space for time. |
| 13:34 | | * Reiver puts everyone to work using Morse Code. Encoded with ASCII full stops, UTF-16 dashes, and inverted ATASCII spaces. |
| 13:36 | | * Tamber kills Reiver to death. |
| 13:37 | <@Reiver> | Hey now |
| 13:37 | <@Reiver> | They're still mostly the same for the alphanumerics! |
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| 14:08 | | * TheWatcher STABS the idiots in work who insist on running fucking CentOS |
| 14:08 | < TheWatcher> | Outdated piece of shit |
| 14:08 | < Tamber> | "If it still compiles against anything, it's still not stable enough"? |
| 14:09 | < TheWatcher> | God knows. All I know is that apparently the version of CGI.pm they have is so old it doesn't support the fucking -utf8 flag |
| 14:11 | < TheWatcher> | Bad enough that I couldn't use CGI::Compress::GZip because the version in CPAN expects modules from at least the last fucking 5 years, but now I'm having to shove in conditional code to support something that simple. |
| 14:12 | < Tamber> | :x |
| 14:59 | < TheWatcher> | Apparently writing perl code in php pages doesn't work. Who'dathunkit? |
| 15:05 | < Tamber> | Huh. TIL~ |
| 15:05 | < Tamber> | :p |
| 15:06 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 16:02 | < sshine> | TIL? |
| 16:03 | < Tamber> | "Today I Learned..." |
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| 16:47 | <~VVornicus> what, no ebcdic? |
| 16:49 | < Tamber> | Nah, I already threw that at Watcher, and it broke. |
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| 17:03 | <~VVornicus> so you did. |
| 17:03 | <~VVornicus> I need to read further up, cleazrly |
| 17:33 | | Pandemic [VirusJTG@Nightstar-672c4eb4.sta.comporium.net] has joined #code |
| 17:34 | < Pandemic> | I have a question and I call on the coders, becuase they may know it better than I |
| 17:34 | < Pandemic> | in SQL is mini-int a 16 bit data type? |
| 17:37 | <@jerith> | Depends which flavour of SQL. |
| 17:38 | <@jerith> | Best to refer to your implementation's manual. |
| 17:38 | <@jerith> | (This is once of those things that varies wildly between flavours.) |
| 17:39 | < Pandemic> | SQL Server 2000....... |
| 17:39 | < Pandemic> | I think the issue is that it is 16 bit veriable and we are trying to migrate it to a 64 bit SQL 2008 server |
| 17:40 | < Pandemic> | the unknown data type is being gnerated by the mini int |
| 17:40 | < Pandemic> | which would make since cossing the 64 bit boundry |
| 17:40 | < Pandemic> | as 16 bit code looses exicution |
| 17:40 | | * jerith gives Pandemic a big comforting hug. |
| 17:40 | < Pandemic> | lol |
| 17:40 | < TheWatcher> | Uh |
| 17:40 | < Pandemic> | thanks jerith |
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| 17:41 | < Pandemic> | ?? TW |
| 17:41 | <@jerith> | And now I'm off to interview a prospective contractor. |
| 17:41 | <@jerith> | (He is awesome and we must hire him.) |
| 17:42 | < Pandemic> | good luck! |
| 17:42 | < TheWatcher> | Are you sure that's the exact name, because SQL Server 2000 types are "tinyint", "smallint", "int", "bitint" plus a couple of extras for money and stuff, I know of no "miniint" for it |
| 17:43 | < TheWatcher> | ItMy suspicion is that it's a user-defined type |
| 17:44 | < Pandemic> | it is a user defined type |
| 17:44 | < Pandemic> | I'm guessing it was defined as a 16 bit type |
| 17:44 | < TheWatcher> | (I note that 2008 will support bit, tinyint, smallint, int, and bigint too) |
| 17:44 | < TheWatcher> | So, just make it a smallint |
| 17:45 | < Pandemic> | I think we will need to convert it |
| 17:45 | < TheWatcher> | same size, still supported in 2008 |
| 17:45 | | * Pandemic nods |
| 17:45 | < Pandemic> | Thanks TW |
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| 21:33 | < McMartin> | "Mozilla developer Michael Bebenita has released a JavaScript-based H.264 decoder that is intended to run natively in Web browsers. The decoder, which can display video at 30 frames per second on conventional hardware, is yet another compelling demonstration of JavaScript's performance potential." |
| 21:34 | < Alek> | mmh. |
| 21:35 | < Alek> | had an interview at Fry's Electronics today. |
| 21:35 | < McMartin> | o_O |
| 21:35 | < McMartin> | They did it by machine-translating LLVM to JS |
| 21:35 | < McMartin> | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/10/native-javascript-h264-decoder-o ffers-compelling-demo-of-js-performance.ars |
| 21:35 | < Alek> | for a floor position. in Components. to transfer to Service in a few months, if I do well. |
| 21:35 | < Alek> | they'll call me in a few days for a second interview. |
| 21:35 | < Alek> | please wish me luck. |
| 21:36 | < McMartin> | Good luck. |
| 21:36 | < McMartin> | Woo, components >_> |
| 21:36 | < McMartin> | It's nice to see that somebody still sells the damn things |
| 21:38 | < Alek> | heh. |
| 21:38 | < Alek> | yes. |
| 21:38 | < Alek> | I love their selection, especially the electronics parts. |
| 21:39 | < Alek> | although for the computer stuff, TD sometimes has a better selection and/or prices. |
| 21:39 | < McMartin> | Back In My Day (tm) Radio Shack actually sold components |
| 21:39 | < Alek> | yes. I remember. |
| 21:39 | < Alek> | they still sell Kits(tm). but FANCY, expensive ones. |
| 21:40 | < Alek> | actually, the toolkit I use, I bought from Shack for uh. $60? maybe $40? |
| 21:40 | < Alek> | some 7 years back, maybe. |
| 21:41 | < Alek> | nice big kit, but doesn't have some musts, like a jack crimper. |
| 21:41 | < Alek> | does have a solder iron, though. XD |
| 21:47 | < ToxicFrog> | They still sell components up here, but the selection |
| 21:47 | < ToxicFrog> | 's gone way down. |
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| 21:48 | < ToxicFrog> | Sayal Electronics used to be my go-to but their local branch has closed down. :( |
| 22:17 | < TheWatcher> | I used to be a big fan of Maplins here, but their range is utter shit these days. Basically stuck with Farnell (often overpriced) or RS Components (huge range, but will often only sell in largish packs) |
| 22:19 | < McMartin> | For non-electronics computer stuff, Central Computer here was quite nice |
| 22:19 | < McMartin> | I had them custom build a machine because their labor costs were vastly more worth paying than the inevitable frustration of trying to build the thing myself with 15-year-out-of-date skills. |
| 22:21 | < TheWatcher> | Heh. |
| 22:21 | < gnolam> | We used to have Elfa. Really good selection, highish prices. But now they've closed down most of their shops, and their mail order business (which was admittedly always awful) now only caters to businesses. |
| 22:22 | < McMartin> | (Seriously, the custom build from components was $50 labor, which was quite a bit lower than I expected. When I'm already spending $1k on everything else...) |
| 22:23 | < gnolam> | So now the choices are either Electrokit /if/ they have it (they have a really poor selection... but the prices are good and their delivery is - as someone put it - "ninja fast") or ordering from abroad. Which takes ages and whatever you order might get stuck in customs. |
| 22:24 | < TheWatcher> | McM: plus, $50 is a lot less than you'd pay if you accidentally messed up >.> |
| 22:24 | < McMartin> | TheWatcher: That also factored into my decision. |
| 22:24 | < McMartin> | IIRC, the "I'm going to have to think about it" was going to be in the $250 range. |
| 22:24 | < TheWatcher> | (note that I've ever put a screwdriver through a motherboard when trying to fit a socket A headsink, nope, never) |
| 22:24 | < McMartin> | So when they quoted me a fifth that, it didn't take much thought. |
| 22:24 | < TheWatcher> | (hated those fuckers wiht a passion) |
| 22:25 | < McMartin> | (I hear they've gotten a bit more user-friendly) |
| 22:26 | < gnolam> | That they have. |
| 22:27 | < McMartin> | (But I'd be more worried about static cancellation than anything else; I don't have a good work area in the new apartment. |
| 22:27 | < gnolam> | I've never static fried anything. |
| 22:28 | < gnolam> | Don't wear fleece, don't work on carpeting, and ground yourself every now and then. |
| 22:29 | < Alek> | aheh. |
| 22:29 | < Alek> | I worked on carpet. |
| 22:29 | < Alek> | but I was very careful. |
| 22:30 | < Alek> | this machine was built on carpet. |
| 22:30 | < Alek> | it's pretty solid. |
| 22:30 | < McMartin> | gnolam: Yeah, the only uncarpeted parts of my apartment are the kitchen and the bathroom; I'd need to get a mat and such. |
| 22:31 | | * Alek nods. |
| 22:31 | < gnolam> | Ah. |
| 22:31 | | * Alek SHOULD get a mat for next time. |
| 22:34 | < ToxicFrog> | I do most of my system building on carpet. It's comfy. |
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