| --- Log opened Sat May 28 00:00:47 2011 |
| 00:01 | < McMartin> | Fortran predates C by, like, two decades. |
| 00:10 | < gnolam> | I know. |
| 00:10 | < gnolam> | But it still feels so... wrong. |
| 00:12 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:12 | | * Alek gives gnolam COBOL. |
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| 02:19 | | * kwsn has spent two days on the job |
| 02:19 | < kwsn> | *weeks |
| 02:19 | < kwsn> | not days |
| 02:19 | < kwsn> | and only manged to brick one board xD |
| 02:42 | < kwsn> | and this just in |
| 02:42 | < kwsn> | expect makes baby jesus cry |
| 02:42 | < kwsn> | more details at 10 |
| 03:10 | < ToxicFrog> | Good news: baked PS3 works. |
| 03:10 | < ToxicFrog> | Bad news: it won't talk to the network, neither wired nor wireless. |
| 03:10 | < ToxicFrog> | kwsn: what sort of board? |
| 03:11 | < kwsn> | ToxicFrog: a 6U processor board |
| 03:23 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 03:23 | < ToxicFrog> | ...how did you brick it? |
| 03:27 | < kwsn> | screwed up one of th eeproms xD |
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| 04:31 | | * kwsn in the space of a two weeks updated a build script, a setup utility, and a couple console commands |
| 04:32 | < ToxicFrog> | Sounds like fune. |
| 04:32 | < ToxicFrog> | Fun, too |
| 04:32 | < kwsn> | and i got to release test a bios today o-o |
| 04:33 | < ToxicFrog> | Sweet |
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| 08:33 | < McMartin> | GNOME 3: Already made of hate~ |
| 08:33 | < McMartin> | Maybe I will work out how to make it work later. |
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| 09:50 | < jerith> | I don't like the GNOME philosophy of "take away choice, we know better than everyone else". |
| 09:51 | < gnolam> | See also: Apple, Mozilla |
| 09:52 | < jerith> | Yeah. |
| 10:04 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
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| 10:26 | < Tamber> | gnolam, don't forget Google Chrome. |
| 10:48 | < McMartin> | To be fair, if you have a skilled designer at hand, you do know better than everyone else |
| 10:49 | < McMartin> | See also: The people who designed GNOME, whom everyone else is in fact better than |
| 10:49 | < McMartin> | This is *aping*, not even proper ripping off |
| 10:49 | < McMartin> | Had they *actually* ripped off the Apple Way Of Doing Things this would be a lot less offensive. |
| 10:54 | < McMartin> | In other news, I've just patched CheapGlk so that it compiles under MinGW and thus permits people to run Glulx games inside cmd.exe. |
| 10:54 | < McMartin> | ?\o/? |
| 11:04 | < jerith> | \o/ |
| 11:05 | < jerith> | The Apple Way is to provide very little choice. The GNOME people actively removing options that they had before. |
| 11:07 | < jerith> | It should be noted that as of 10.6.6, I am able to turn off all the *really* annoying bits of MacOS. |
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| 11:08 | < jerith> | There's a bunch more stuff I'd /like/, but nothing else I really *need*. |
| 11:12 | < jerith> | GNOME has some really solid usability research behind it. |
| 11:13 | < jerith> | It would be nice if the GNOME people actually ever /read/ it. |
| 11:13 | < McMartin> | I'm mostly bitter because I like the Win7 variant of the Dock a whole lot and GNOME 3 seems to have gone the opposite direction therefrom. |
| 11:13 | < gnolam> | I was at one time forced to use the original iMacs and MacOS... whatever godawful version that was. The experience has forever soured me on anything Apple. |
| 11:14 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Pre-X? |
| 11:14 | < gnolam> | Yes. |
| 11:14 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Hooray, coop multitasking. |
| 11:15 | < gnolam> | But people gave it exactly the same glowing praise as they do OS X. |
| 11:15 | < jerith> | Hey! Win3.1 had that too! |
| 11:15 | < gnolam> | Which is why I don't trust anything good anyone says about a Mac. |
| 11:15 | < jerith> | OS X is a very well-designed system. |
| 11:15 | < jerith> | It just doesn't fit /me/. |
| 11:15 | < jerith> | And it *really* shows its legacy of "do one thing at a time". |
| 11:16 | < gnolam> | And I can't say that any of the other Apple products I've come across has done anything to improve my opinion of the company. |
| 11:16 | < gnolam> | *have |
| 11:16 | < McMartin> | Anyway, yeah, someone was trying to get a windows-hosted IRC IF chatbot, and couldn't get it to build |
| 11:16 | < jerith> | The iPod has always had the very best UI of any mp3 player. |
| 11:17 | < McMartin> | It turns out this is because it wasn't quite as standards-compliant as they thought and so MinGW wouldn't accept it. |
| 11:17 | < jerith> | iTunes has always been the biggest pile of garbage ever. |
| 11:18 | < gnolam> | jerith: an 8 hour car trip with an iPod as the only source of entertainment makes me disagree with that statement. |
| 11:18 | < gnolam> | It might be good iff you use it in exactly the few ways Apple intends you to interact with it. |
| 11:18 | < jerith> | Which iPod? |
| 11:19 | < gnolam> | I don't know. It was white and iPod-shaped. :P |
| 11:19 | < gnolam> | And it nearly drove me insane. |
| 11:19 | < jerith> | Probably an original then. |
| 11:20 | < jerith> | It isn't fantastic at doing massively complicated things, but then that isn't its purpose. |
| 11:20 | < gnolam> | Apparently, the only intended way to use it was to listen album by album. Anything else was an exercise in frustration. |
| 11:20 | | * McMartin is reminded of his old roommate, who was telling me about how he needed to overclock his Nook. |
| 11:20 | < jerith> | You're supposed to create playlists ahead of time in iTunes. |
| 11:20 | < gnolam> | ... riight |
| 11:21 | < jerith> | But you've always had the "on the go" playlist that you can manage from the device. |
| 11:21 | < gnolam> | In contrast, the Cowon... whatever-model-it-was I was in the same situation with a year later was a wonder to use. |
| 11:21 | < jerith> | (On the Touch and iPhone you can manage arbitrary playlists on the device now, which is nice.) |
| 11:22 | < Vornicus-Latens> | ...overclock the nook? |
| 11:23 | < McMartin> | MUST READ FASTER! |
| 11:23 | < McMartin> | (I think he'd rooted it and was trying to use it as a !iPad) |
| 11:32 | < gnolam> | jerith: my point was that the iPod drove me crazy, but a contemporary competitor's mp3 player did not. Ergo, the iPod obviously did not have the very best UI. |
| 11:32 | | * jerith shrugs. |
| 11:33 | < gnolam> | (Also: that I still haven't had a single good experience with an Apple product, ever) |
| 11:33 | < jerith> | I haven't used any mp3 players that had better UIs, and I've tried a lot. |
| 11:34 | | * TheWatcher bashes his headbones vaguely against zlib |
| 11:36 | < McMartin> | zlib =( |
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| 22:36 | | * ToxicFrog eyes PHP. |
| 22:36 | < ToxicFrog> | $x = simplexml_load_string(...) |
| 22:36 | < ToxicFrog> | After this, the following holds: |
| 22:36 | < ToxicFrog> | - $x is boolean true |
| 22:36 | < ToxicFrog> | - $x === false is false |
| 22:36 | < ToxicFrog> | $x == false is true |
| 22:39 | < Vornicus> | what |
| 22:40 | < Vornicus> | wait, so $x is in fact True during this? |
| 22:40 | < ToxicFrog> | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=35028 |
| 22:40 | < ToxicFrog> | "Btw, a boolean if() for normal php objects is a check whether the object has any properties." WHAT THE FUCK |
| 22:42 | < Tamber> | o.O |
| 22:42 | < Vornicus> | I don't think I've ever met a language with as baroque semantics as PHP. |
| 22:42 | < Tamber> | It's got twiddly bits everywhere! |
| 22:42 | < TheWatcher> | s/with as baroque semantics/that is as utterly shit/ |
| 22:42 | < Vornicus> | Even SQL, which is the single most complicated mess I've ever worked with, has some semblance of rhyme to it. |
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