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| 14:58 | < blue_eyes> | http://tinyurl.com/2dmjdgh |
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| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Answer to "can you stream music over ssh without installing a new service": yes, but it's ugly |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | ssh orias find /usr/share/Media/Music -name '*.mp3' -exec cat '{}' '";"' | mplayer -cache 1024 - |
| 20:21 | <@McMartin> | Hm, you can't scp to -? |
| 20:21 | <@McMartin> | Or do you need the full power of find here? |
| 20:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Nope, that's equivalent to copying N files and concatenating them, which scp doesn't do |
| 20:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | Can scp be set to overwrite only in certain situations, rather than by default? |
| 21:04 | | * Alek coughs. |
| 21:05 | < Alek> | ok, I need to figure out some per-project prices for web-programming-at-home. |
| 21:06 | < Alek> | would $10+/page, going up as the page grows, $25+/(Flash or Javascript object), be good? or what? |
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| 21:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | AnnoDomini: use rsync instead. |
| 21:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | (that is to say: no) |
| 21:42 | <@AnnoDomini> | That requires it being installed on the target system. |
| 21:42 | < Namegduf> | AnnoDomini: You can compile it in your damn home directory |
| 21:43 | | * Namegduf has built rdiff-backup from source in a home directory for backup purposes before, including prerequisites like "Python" |
| 21:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | Or I can ask the admin to install it properly. |
| 21:44 | < Namegduf> | Or you could do that. In either case, it not being installed right now isn't a major barrier. |
| 21:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 21:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, you could hack together something using ssh + find + stat + scp, but at that point you're spending more time implementing a crippled version of rsync than it would take to just install rsync. |
| 21:51 | <@AnnoDomini> | Okay, okay. I've gotten the thing installed, and everything seems to work now. |
| 21:51 | <@AnnoDomini> | Now my charsheet repository is easier to use than ever. :D |
| 21:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh? |
| 21:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | I have a shell account that I use for a website and a charsheet repository. The charsheets are html files. I have local copies of them, which I edit with Kompozer, and now can upload via a single click plus a password. |
| 21:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Set up public-key auth and you won't even need the password :P |
| 22:01 | <@AnnoDomini> | The very mention fills me with dread. |
| 22:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, it's easy |
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| 22:12 | < Alek> | ... |
| 22:12 | < Alek> | nobody wants to comment? :( |
| 22:12 | <@AnnoDomini> | Just see what other web designers ask for. |
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| 22:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wow. |
| 22:20 | | * ToxicFrog removes an unneeded zipWithIndex and his runtime goes from 4.5s to 1.5s |
| 22:28 | < Alek> | yeah, what DO other web designers ask for? -_- |
| 22:30 | <@AnnoDomini> | Alek: No idea. Do some googling? |
| 22:31 | <@AnnoDomini> | Remember always that something is worth exactly as much as people will pay for it. |
| 22:32 | <@McMartin> | Well, unless they're total cheapskates~ |
| 22:33 | < Namegduf> | It's worth exactly as much as people will pay and you will sell, the latter being significant. |
| 22:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yes. He is selling. |
| 22:35 | | * Alek blinks. |
| 22:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | Or have I misunderstood your purpose here? |
| 22:35 | < Alek> | this guy prices a blog design at $1800. and he's lowballing. |
| 22:35 | < Alek> | ook. |
| 22:36 | < Namegduf> | 1) Resell hosting as well as doing web design. |
| 22:36 | < Namegduf> | 2) Don't have a clause for removing the web design from your service. |
| 22:36 | < Namegduf> | 3) Slightly lower initial fees; higher running fees. |
| 22:36 | < Namegduf> | 4) Profit. |
| 22:37 | < Alek> | yeah, I got a call from a "startup non-profit" that wants sites. only they haven't told me the design requirements. so I want to cover a range, while being cheap enough to seem a) affordable to a startup and b) not overpricing myself, as not fully trained yet. |
| 22:37 | < gnolam> | So... started reading "Clients From Hell" yet? :) |
| 22:37 | < Alek> | once in a while. more NAR and TSC, though, as well as BOR. |
| 22:38 | < Alek> | I probably should hit it regularly, though. >_> |
| 22:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | Don't sell yourself short. Ask as much as you would for a competent job. |
| 22:39 | < EvilDarkLord> | Alek: I know a guy who charges $100 an hour for website design, but he has a fair bit of expertise. |
| 22:39 | < Alek> | yeah, as a work-from-home thing, I think it'd be fairer to both of us to charge per project instead. |
| 22:41 | < EvilDarkLord> | Per project is just per hour times estimated hours. Make up a wage you're willing to work for, estimate hours, and tell them that as the median value. |
| 22:41 | < Alek> | mmh. |
| 22:51 | | * Alek mans up, tells them $25/page, $50/object, etc. |
| 22:52 | < Alek> | http://pastie.org/1318678 |
| 22:52 | < Alek> | good? bad? ugly? |
| 22:53 | < Alek> | comments please. |
| 22:59 | < EvilDarkLord> | Are they aware you're not a professional already? |
| 23:02 | < EvilDarkLord> | I'd delete the line about their best interest - let them make that decision. |
| 23:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, I really like the way Scala handles synchronized. |
| 23:04 | < celticminstrel> | Oh? |
| 23:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rather than being a keyword, it's a method on Any that takes a function |
| 23:05 | < celticminstrel> | Any = Object? |
| 23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | The implementation presumably looks something like: def synchronized(f: () => Unit) = { this.monitor.lock(); f(); this.monitor.unlock(); } |
| 23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 23:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, 'synchronized { ... }' works as in Java, and 'mutex.synchronized { ... }' is equivalent to 'synchronized(mutex) { ... }' |
| 23:06 | < celticminstrel> | Oh, so Scala has closures sort of like in Groovy. |
| 23:06 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
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| 23:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | I've never used Groovy, but yes, it has closures |
| 23:08 | < celticminstrel> | I've never used it either, just looked at it. |
| 23:10 | <@jerith> | My toy language has closures. |
| 23:11 | < Namegduf> | My shopping list has closures. |
| 23:11 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 23:11 | < celticminstrel> | Toy language? |
| 23:12 | <@jerith> | I wrote one. |
| 23:12 | < celticminstrel> | Why call it a toy? |
| 23:12 | <@jerith> | It's tiny and not very powerful. |
| 23:12 | < celticminstrel> | Okay. |
| 23:12 | <@jerith> | I'd never use it in anger, but it's cool to play with. |
| 23:13 | <@jerith> | Sleep time. |
| 23:13 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 23:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | 'night |
| 23:13 | <@jerith> | Well, sleep time an hour and a half ago. But still. |
| 23:13 | | * jerith waves, wanders off. |
| 23:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: anyways, yes, {...} in Scala defines a closure, in general. |
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| 23:45 | < Alek> | yes, they're aware I'm not a pro. |
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| 23:45 | < Alek> | and sure, I'll delete that. |
| 23:47 | < Alek> | ... |
| 23:47 | < Alek> | I'm not sure why this is tripping my red-flag sensor. |
| 23:48 | < Alek> | he's asking me to do a few programming tasks to check my skills. |
| 23:48 | < Alek> | before the project. |
| 23:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's tripping your red-flag sensor because that's generally handled by asking for examples of prior work rather than asking one to work for free. |
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