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| 09:31 | < Alek> | EVACUATE |
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| 10:43 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I has a problem. It is called 'my primary HDD constantly reboots itself'. FSCK on trying to boot Debian fails - either crashes, or reboots the computer. The box reboots randomly, usually when still booting. |
| 10:45 | < AD[WarWalk]> | If this were Windows, I'd just swap it with another disk, install Windows on that, and try to recover data from the faildrive. |
| 10:45 | < Vornicus> | Why can't you do that here? |
| 10:45 | <@McMartin> | In Linux, I would suggest booting to a livecd and doing similarly |
| 10:46 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Vornicus: Because Windows can't read from the Linux filesystem. |
| 10:46 | < AD[WarWalk]> | McMartin: Okay. |
| 10:46 | <@McMartin> | Most Linux distros have a version that you can run right off a CD |
| 10:49 | < Namegduf> | Even if not, nothing stopping you grabbing an Ubuntu LiveCD and using it with whatever distribution. |
| 10:50 | < Namegduf> | For data recovery. |
| 10:50 | < Namegduf> | (Chrooting in is harder) |
| 10:50 | < Namegduf> | (Not *much* harder, though) |
| 10:50 | <@McMartin> | Truth |
| 10:50 | <@McMartin> | On both counts |
| 10:50 | <@McMartin> | Ubuntu LiveCDs are also pretty |
| 10:51 | < Namegduf> | They're the closest thing available to a Debian LiveCD |
| 10:51 | < Namegduf> | Which makes me happy. |
| 10:51 | < Namegduf> | XD |
| 10:51 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Can has a link to that? |
| 10:52 | < Namegduf> | Ubhttp://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download |
| 10:52 | < Namegduf> | Er, http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download |
| 10:52 | < Namegduf> | Ubuntu's primary "installation" media is their LiveCD, which makes sense for a desktop-orientated distribution. |
| 10:53 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Thanks. |
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| 11:27 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I have continued to try to boot the box. It went from 'crashes during boot' to 'fails to start loading OS at all'. And the HDD name that shows up in the device listing right at power on is now gibberish. |
| 11:29 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I'll still try the livecd, but I expect I will have to visit a data retrieval service of some sort to get my stuff out of there. |
| 11:59 | < AD[WarWalk]> | God damn it. I'm not even sure it's the drive, anymore. |
| 12:03 | | * AD[WarWalk] boots the LiveCD. |
| 12:04 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Aaaaand it crashed. |
| 12:05 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Okay. No drives, LiveCD only, FINAL DESTINATION. |
| 12:42 | < AD[WarWalk]> | One HDD causes the box to fail booting. Another, my prime suspect, is listed by the LiveCD as unformatted. The third, which actually holds my Linux filesystem, appears fine - I can at least read it under LiveCD (though the LiveCD os managed to crash while I was doing so). |
| 12:42 | < AD[WarWalk]> | And it won't boot. |
| 12:42 | < AD[WarWalk]> | So yeah. Each and every one of my three HDDs has become fucked simultaneously. |
| 12:45 | <@TheWatcher> | Try them in a different machine |
| 12:46 | <@TheWatcher> | sounds to me like you're experiencing a drive controller problem |
| 12:47 | < AD[WarWalk]> | That will require going to friends, since all other boxes I have here are laptops. |
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| 13:04 | | * TheWatcher args |
| 13:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Can't initialise the plugins without metadata and logger objects, can't create the metadata object without the plugins. Should have seen that one coming, time for the refactor tractor |
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| 13:41 | < PinkFreud> | AD[WarWalk]: might it be something else, like faulty memory? |
| 13:42 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Could be, but the LiveCD worked fine without the drives attached. |
| 13:44 | < PinkFreud> | ide, sata, scsi, or sas? |
| 13:45 | < AD[WarWalk]> | ATA. |
| 13:45 | < PinkFreud> | that does not help |
| 13:45 | < PinkFreud> | which form of ata - ide (pata) or sata? |
| 13:46 | < AD[WarWalk]> | PATA. |
| 13:46 | < PinkFreud> | try swapping the ide cable? |
| 13:47 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I have no additional cables, unfortunately. Drives connected to either of the cables I have fail to work properly. |
| 13:48 | < PinkFreud> | why would a live cd, which presumably doesn't use the hd, fail? |
| 13:49 | < PinkFreud> | to add to that - *where* does it fail? |
| 13:50 | < AD[WarWalk]> | With the first drive attached, during boot. With the second, LiveCD works fine, but lists the drive as unformatted. With the third, when I access the drive, LiveCD started to act weirdly, not loading some graphics, then hung up. |
| 13:51 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Without HDDs, it works fine. |
| 13:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | oldschool IDE? Misconfigured toggle switches? |
| 13:52 | < PinkFreud> | AD[WarWalk]: that's with only one driive connected, right? |
| 13:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Or even a bad controller |
| 13:52 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I didn't do anything to the switches overnight. |
| 13:52 | < AD[WarWalk]> | PinkFreud: Yes. With them all, the box randomly fails to get to the point when the CD booting begins. |
| 13:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I've seen too much mention of defective controllers that don't handle their caches right x_x |
| 13:53 | < AD[WarWalk]> | And I mean randomly. Sometimes it reboots, sometimes it hangs on drive detection, sometimes it hangs on something else, sometimes it hangs elsewhere. |
| 13:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | There's a lot that could be wrong there |
| 13:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | You said live cd runs okay without a HD? Can you run memtest for a while? |
| 13:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | live cd should have memtest86 on it |
| 13:56 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I'll do that. |
| 13:56 | | * PinkFreud nods |
| 13:58 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Not that memtest86 ever told me anything useful, heh |
| 13:59 | < PinkFreud> | it has worked for me |
| 14:00 | < PinkFreud> | it won't be able to tell you which dimm is as fault, but it *can* tell you if one is faulty |
| 14:01 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I need more computers. |
| 14:05 | < AD[WarWalk]> | memtest86 doesn't seem to be a valid command. |
| 14:05 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I just don't think I've had a bad dimm in the last 10 years |
| 14:06 | < Rhamphoryncus> | memtest86 should be available at the boot menu |
| 14:06 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It's instead of the OS |
| 14:06 | < Rhamphoryncus> | there is a userspace version but it's significantly limited in what memory it can test and how |
| 14:06 | < Rhamphoryncus> | well, mostly what memory |
| 14:07 | < AD[WarWalk]> | It seems that I must make a memtest86 CD and boot that and stuff. |
| 14:07 | < Rhamphoryncus> | shouldn't need to.. |
| 14:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Did you get a grub menu when booting? |
| 14:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Might need to hit escape at the right point |
| 14:09 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I don't get a GRUB. I'd LIKE to get a GRUB, since that would mean that the Debian filesystem is at least somewhat functional. |
| 14:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD |
| 14:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Figure 2 has Test memory |
| 14:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Not a grub menu, sorry |
| 14:13 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I don't get that. I get a different screen, on which I can Try Ubuntu or Install Ubuntu. |
| 14:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | odd |
| 14:14 | < AD[WarWalk]> | Anyway. Memtest86 is running. |
| 14:14 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I expect it'll finish sometime tomorrow. |
| 14:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Maybe it wasn't the standard live cd |
| 14:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Bed time for me |
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| 15:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, recent ubuntu and mint and opensuse livecds should all have memtest86 on them |
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| 18:55 | < AD[WarWalk]> | My PSU just exploded. |
| 18:55 | < AD[WarWalk]> | While running memtest. |
| 19:03 | < Vornicus> | Somehow I suspect that may have been the problem in the first place. |
| 19:04 | < AD[WarWalk]> | I'm like WTF at this turn of events. PSUs exploded on me before, but this was a very expensive one! |
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| 19:22 | < PinkFreud> | yep. definitely sounds like it could be the problem. |
| 19:22 | < PinkFreud> | :) |
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